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[scmadsen]

I can see that point of view. But...what happened to never leave a man behind? Shepard sure as hell wouldn't. The only reason Shepard doesn't go back and get Ashley/Kaiden is because there is nothing left to get. A nuke tends to do that kind of thing, when you are sitting ontop of it. Liara is the only one of your squad that cares about giving you a proper burial and rest. How does that not scream love and friendship. Shepard is the only family Liara has.

Modifié par scmadsen, 23 mars 2010 - 11:00 .

[InvaderErl]

They were in escape pods, its not as if they even had the ability to mount a rescue in time to even have a remote chance of actually saving Shepard.  That N7 suit, if he even survived the ship exploding all around him has only so much air. Not to mention that his suit was fractured and losing air so he didn't even have that much time.

And who's to say they didn't come back and scour the area and found no sign of him?

Heck Liara was only able to rescue him because the SHADOWBROKER recovered Shepard's body.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 23 mars 2010 - 11:10 .

[Koborover]

I liked what they did with Liara, she grew up from a young and naïve scientist into a shadowy information agent (love that nervous look in her eye). It was one of the things that really made me feel the two year gap between ME1 and ME2 and the galaxy's change for the worse after Shepard's death. I can appreciate this bit of character development even though it didn't make Liara a better person.

Modifié par Koborover, 23 mars 2010 - 11:26 .

[scmadsen]

Trying to rescue Shepard and going back to the crash site after the fact, to recover his body, and those the rest of the crew, mind you, plus the ship itself, have little to do with each other.



Liara was on her way to find Shepard's body, when she learned the Shadow Broker has it now. She was the only one that bothered to go looking in the first place. That's what the comics spell out for us.

[javierabegazo]

That kissing scene with Liara...it's so awkward in places, I laugh nearly every time I see it

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Which makes me a sad panda

[Schroing]

javierabegazo wrote...

That kissing scene with Liara...it's so awkward in places, I laugh nearly every time I see it
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Which makes me a sad panda

It's that weird head thing that Shepard does afterwards everytime that gets me.

[scmadsen]

BioWare needs to explain things better. We need to know why Liara shuts Shepard down, and why Shepard doesn't do what any normal person would, which is give Liara a hug and say something, anything, romance or not. Liara needs to hear Shepard tell her something. She needs some comfort from the one she loves and has been waiting for.

[InvaderErl]

scmadsen wrote...

Trying to rescue Shepard and going back to the crash site after the fact, to recover his body, and those the rest of the crew, mind you, plus the ship itself, have little to do with each other.

Liara was on her way to find Shepard's body, when she learned the Shadow Broker has it now. She was the only one that bothered to go looking in the first place. That's what the comics spell out for us.

THERE IS NO RESCUING SHEPARD.

He is dead.

It wasn't as if a ship showed up in a half hour and picked them up and they all flew away leaving Shepard waving for help.

You don't think they looked for survivors? You don't think they scoured the region? A corpse floating in space or randomly crashing on a planet is almost IMPOSSIBLE to find. I'm shocked the Shadowbroker managed it.

Liara being unable to move on ties in with her recurrent behavior to get fixated on something and become obsessed with it. It doesn't make her affection greater than any of the other shipmates.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 23 mars 2010 - 11:30 .

[Schroing]

InvaderErl wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

Trying to rescue Shepard and going back to the crash site after the fact, to recover his body, and those the rest of the crew, mind you, plus the ship itself, have little to do with each other.

Liara was on her way to find Shepard's body, when she learned the Shadow Broker has it now. She was the only one that bothered to go looking in the first place. That's what the comics spell out for us.

THERE IS NO RESCUING SHEPARD.

He is dead.

It wasn't as if a ship showed up in a half hour and picked them up and they all flew away leaving Shepard waving for help.

You don't think they looked for survivors? You don't think they scoured the region? A corpse floating in space or randomly crashing on a planet is almost IMPOSSIBLE to find. I'm shocked the Shadowbroker managed it.

Liara being unable to move on ties in with her recurrent behavior to get fixated on something and become obsessed with it. It doesn't make her affection greater than any of the other shipmates.

As an alliance soldier, it's halfway likely that he had something implanted in him or his helmet that helped the locating go down.

[jtav]

I find that Liara comes off as mentally ill in ME2. Refusing to accept that Shepard is dead to the degree that she did is a mark of obsession, not love. Fortunately for her, it worked out.

[JamieCOTC]

*spoiler for Redemntion*



When someone dies at sea, more times than not a body is never recovered. My aunt lives at the NC coast and knows people who have lost loved ones at sea. They all deal with it differently. Some people can deal with that. They know the risks. Others can't deal with it, they crave a more permanent kind of closure. Liara is the latter. She wasn't searching for Shepard, hoping that he/she would have survived. She just had to see the body to get her own kind of closure. The way the comic reads, she stumbles on the Shadow Broker's scheme almost by accident when searching for the body.

[InvaderErl]

I doubt his suit's systems survived entering the planet's atmosphere, and we know it took damage from the Normandy being hit which resulted in the suit seals failing.

Seriously, try to entertain this notion for a moment.

Do you think the Alliance rescue ships showed up, they picked up his locator signal and LEFT?

jtav wrote...

I find that Liara comes off as mentally ill
in ME2. Refusing to accept that Shepard is dead to the degree that she
did is a mark of obsession, not love. Fortunately for her, it worked
out.

Spot on.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 23 mars 2010 - 11:34 .

[SpartanMKV]

It irked me to no end that there was no Paragon option to talk her out of her quest. I mean come one, I can talk the fanatical, indoctrinated, implanted Saren down from battling it out with me for control of the Citadel to the point that he repents and shoots himself, but I can't talk the woman with whom my character is/was supposedly in love out of an arguably evil quest for revenge? Come on!

[DrPator]

On a more personal side, given I didn't read the comics (I'd need to order them or go on a long roadtrip to access them), Liara has stepped in some kind of contradiction in ME2.



First she tells Shepard (no matter if there was a love interest or not) that she couldn't "live without him/her". **MINOR SPOIL** Given the fact that she is financially broke and that Shepard actually helps her locate the helper of the Shadow Broker, she simply shoves Shepard aside to work on her revenge. If finding the SB takes years, I wonder if she will ever come back in ME3, or if what Shep' did for her won't just bite her in the ***.



To be honest, I kinda resent what Liara herself became, but I don't resent the idea of having a character actually evolve in personality. If anything, Bioware did a pretty good job with the old crew in ME2. Even though I'd like to punch Kaidan in the face, he's become entertaining!

[Schroing]

InvaderErl wrote...

I doubt his suit's systems survived entering the planet's atmosphere, and we know it took damage from the Normandy being hit which resulted in the suit seals failing.

Seriously, try to entertain this notion for a moment.

Do you think the Alliance rescue ships showed up, they picked up his locator signal and LEFT?

It's no less likely than someone eyeballing his corpse.

[InvaderErl]

Schroing wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

I doubt his suit's systems survived entering the planet's atmosphere, and we know it took damage from the Normandy being hit which resulted in the suit seals failing.

Seriously, try to entertain this notion for a moment.

Do you think the Alliance rescue ships showed up, they picked up his locator signal and LEFT?

It's no less likely than someone eyeballing his corpse.

Wow. Just wow.

So you think its possible the Alliance just said, "Eh, **** it, its Miller time!" and flew off...

Okay.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 23 mars 2010 - 11:37 .

[InvaderErl]

yorkj86 wrote...

In ME2, Liara was handled on a meta-level by Bioware's writers.

That's putrid writing, to say the least.

Then why do you have a ME2 quote in your sig?

Shouldn't you go with something from the first game?

 :confused:

[InvaderErl]

Fair enough.

If that was the case, I'd go with something from the first game for defiance's sake, but eh.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 23 mars 2010 - 11:40 .

[Schroing]

InvaderErl wrote...

Schroing wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

I doubt his suit's systems survived entering the planet's atmosphere, and we know it took damage from the Normandy being hit which resulted in the suit seals failing.

Seriously, try to entertain this notion for a moment.

Do you think the Alliance rescue ships showed up, they picked up his locator signal and LEFT?

It's no less likely than someone eyeballing his corpse.

Wow. Just wow.

So you think its possible the Alliance just said, "Eh, **** it, its Miller time!" and flew off...

Okay.

He's dead. They obviously made no attempt to salvage the Normandy wreckage - some of the most advanced technology in the galaxy - so it wouldn't shock me if they didn't salvage his corpse, either.
It seems more likely than anything that the Alliance never sent any rescue ships at all.

[InvaderErl]

Recall that the Alliance had only just found the Normandy wreckage going by the email you receive.

[ObserverStatus]

I disagree, the Shadow Broker must die!

[Schroing]

InvaderErl wrote...

Recall that the Alliance had only just found the Normandy wreckage going by the email you receive.

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You don't think they looked for survivors? You don't think they scoured
the region? A corpse floating in space or randomly crashing on a planet
is almost IMPOSSIBLE to find. I'm shocked the Shadowbroker managed it.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Yeah I agree with the OP, its poorly thought out and needs some major attention.



As it stands, its a clear indication of how crappy writing can get when youre simply looking for an excuse. Without further exploration of it, I consider it one of the crappiest aspects of ME2 by far.



Its already done enough damage, and its damage that ME3 wont even be able to correct if they take a similar attitude as they did with ME2.