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[scmadsen]

@ InvaderErl

You missed the point I was making. No where did I say Liara wanted to rescue Shepard, she knows Shepard is dead and gone. She wants closure and to show the body some respect and lay it to rest. And that makes her crazy? Hardly, it makes her lovable and caring. More then can be said about the rest of the crew/squad or the Alliance and Council for that matter.

You were her only friend/family she has left. And she loves you. That doesn't make her crazy.

The tech is there to bring Shepard back to life and all, but you can't buy the tech of a little "black box" in Shepard's armor suit...yea...good logic there.

The Alliance clearly didn't give a damn. They left the ship and the crew that died to rot.

Modifié par scmadsen, 23 mars 2010 - 11:50 .

[scmadsen]

bobobo878 wrote...

I disagree, the Shadow Broker must die!

If Liara doesn't kill him, my Shepard sure wants to.

[InvaderErl]

Schroing wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Recall that the Alliance had only just found the Normandy wreckage going by the email you receive.

...

You don't think they looked for survivors? You don't think they scoured
the region? A corpse floating in space or randomly crashing on a planet
is almost IMPOSSIBLE to find. I'm shocked the Shadowbroker managed it.

Which only goes to show how difficult it is to find something in the vastness of space.

[Schroing]

InvaderErl wrote...

Schroing wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Recall that the Alliance had only just found the Normandy wreckage going by the email you receive.

...

You don't think they looked for survivors? You don't think they scoured
the region? A corpse floating in space or randomly crashing on a planet
is almost IMPOSSIBLE to find. I'm shocked the Shadowbroker managed it.

Which only goes to show how difficult it is to find something in the vastness of space.

You're just all over the place here...

[scmadsen]

InvaderErl wrote...

Schroing wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Recall that the Alliance had only just found the Normandy wreckage going by the email you receive.

...

You don't think they looked for survivors? You don't think they scoured
the region? A corpse floating in space or randomly crashing on a planet
is almost IMPOSSIBLE to find. I'm shocked the Shadowbroker managed it.

Which only goes to show how difficult it is to find something in the vastness of space.

The Alliance can not be trusted at this point. In two whole years they couldn't find it, then just happen to find it when you return...more like they don't want to ****** you off.

This is the same Alliance that now says the attack was just the Geth, not a Reaper.

[Xaijin]

scmadsen wrote...

@ InvaderErl

You missed the point I was making. No where did I say Liara wanted to rescue Shepard, she knows Shepard is dead and gone. She wants closure and to show the body some respect and lay it to rest. And that makes her crazy? Hardly, it makes her lovable and caring. More then can be said about the rest of the crew/squad or the Alliance and Council for that matter.

You were her only friend/family she has left. And she loves you. That doesn't make her crazy.

The tech is there to bring Shepard back to life and all, but you can't buy the tech of a little "black box" in Shepard's armor suit...yea...good logic there.

The Alliance clearly didn't give a damn. They left the ship and the crew that died to rot.

Again cool story bro, but Liara's the only person qualified to do anything academic about it. Garrus doesn't have a degree in practical biomechanics and Wrex doesn't have a doctorate in restorative cybernetics. Sorry but Liara isn't blue naked jesus. She was academically qualifed and she did what she could, you haven't the slightest clue whether anyone else tried to help or not, or the extent to which they did. And since she didn't restore you herself, her logistical limitations are pretty obvious. She's a great friend/lover and teammate, but she's not jesus McMoses von Mohammad, and it's pretty clear getting Shepard functional was a logistical nightmare and a team effort, and completely out of her league and field of expertise. She's to be given her due but you can seriously lay off the romanticizing her into something she's not.

[InvaderErl]

Xaijin wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

@ InvaderErl

You missed the point I was making. No where did I say Liara wanted to rescue Shepard, she knows Shepard is dead and gone. She wants closure and to show the body some respect and lay it to rest. And that makes her crazy? Hardly, it makes her lovable and caring. More then can be said about the rest of the crew/squad or the Alliance and Council for that matter.

You were her only friend/family she has left. And she loves you. That doesn't make her crazy.

The tech is there to bring Shepard back to life and all, but you can't buy the tech of a little "black box" in Shepard's armor suit...yea...good logic there.

The Alliance clearly didn't give a damn. They left the ship and the crew that died to rot.

Again cool story bro, but Liara's the only person qualified to do anything academic about it. Garrus doesn't have a degree in practical biomechanics and Wrex doesn't have a doctorate in restorative cybernetics. Sorry but Liara isn't blue naked jesus. She was academically qualifed and she did what she could, you haven't the slightest clue whether anyone else tried to help or not, or the extent to which they did. And since she didn't restore you herself, her logistical limitations are pretty obvious. She's a great friend/lover and teammate, but she's not jesus McMoses von Mohammad, and it's pretty clear getting Shepard functional was a logistical nightmare and a team effort, and completely out of her league and field of expertise. She's to be given her due but you can seriously lay off the romanticizing her into something she's not.

THANK YOU. I've been struggling with the right way to say this and you just hit it nail on the head. Kudos sir.

scmadsen wrote...

The tech is there to bring Shepard back
to life and all, but you can't buy the tech of a little "black box" in
Shepard's armor suit...yea...good logic there.

Was I the only one that noticed Shep's suit was damaged and leaking? Was I the only one that noticed that he was burning up in the atmosphere? For christ's sake his gear is not IMPERVIOUS to all forms of damage.

scmadsen wrote...The Alliance
clearly didn't give a damn. They left the ship and the crew that died to
rot.

Except that they were all clearly rescued in their escape pods by the Alliance, but don't let a thing like facts bother you.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 24 mars 2010 - 12:04 .

[scmadsen]

@ Xaijin

We are given no hints that anyone did anything else about it.

The whole bringing Shepard back to life...that was all TIM, however. You miss the point. It's not about that at all. It's about Liara being the only one working on anything that has something to do with the Reapers/Collectors.

This all landed in Liara's lap, because she was the only one, that cared enough to try and give Shepard the proper burial he/she earned.

Modifié par scmadsen, 24 mars 2010 - 12:04 .

[InvaderErl]

scmadsen wrote...

We are given no hints that anyone did anything else about it.

The whole bringing Shepard back to life...that was all TIM, however. You miss the point. It's not about that at all. It's about Liara being the only one working on anything that has something to do with the Reapers/Collectors.

This all landed in Liara's lap, because she was the only one, that cared enough to try and give Shepard the proper burial he/she earned.

So because Liara got lucky and happened upon a lead with the Shadowbroker she's better than the rest of them?

Guess what if the Shadowbroker hadn't been there she would have been doing jack all to stop the Reapers as well.

[scmadsen]

InvaderErl wrote...

Was I the only one that noticed Shep's suit was damaged and leaking? Was I the only one that noticed that he was burning up in the atmosphere? For christ's sake his gear is not IMPERVIOUS to all forms of damage.


Except that they were all clearly rescued in their escape pods by the Alliance, but don't let a thing like facts bother you.

We have the tech now, to make the black boxes of planes still work after slamming into the ground, or crashing into the sea.

The 20 members of the crew who did not make it, and their dog tags you collect on the crash site mission say otherwise.

Modifié par scmadsen, 24 mars 2010 - 12:09 .

[GreedIsNoException]

All I liked about Liara was the kiss but she knew so much and yet she did not do anything about it. Just ME Redemption comic that doesn't explain her cocky attitude. She was so nervous and kind and sweet yet she's so stressed. She acts like a secretary in her mid 40s.

[scmadsen]

I blame marketing and EA for things mostly. They had to hold back on us because of the comics, and maybe a DLC that is coming.



Do I like it? No, I hate it, it's weak and feels forced. But I understand it. I just hope, that BioWare fixes things. As it is now, the reunion is broken.

[InvaderErl]

scmadsen wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Was I the only one that noticed Shep's suit was damaged and leaking? Was I the only one that noticed that he was burning up in the atmosphere? For christ's sake his gear is not IMPERVIOUS to all forms of damage.


Except that they were all clearly rescued in their escape pods by the Alliance, but don't let a thing like facts bother you.

We have the tech now, to make the black boxes of planes still work after slamming into the ground, or crashing into the sea.

The 20 members of the crew who did not make, and their dog tags you collect on the crash site mission say otherwise.

That's nice.

That doesn't mean it would have survived the beating it must have suffered from taking a blast from the Normandy/hitting the atmosphere/crashing into said planet.

Additionally, let's remember that Shep was only wearing his suit. He wasn't flying a shuttle or something.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 24 mars 2010 - 12:12 .

[InvaderErl]

I actually want to make a new post to say this.

First it was Shepard had a locator on his suit, to which we know his suit had already been damaged by an indirect blast and we can assume from entering the planet's atmosphere and then CRASHING into said planet - so its very likely whatever systems his suit had were trashed long before an Alliance ship showed.

Now we're saying that he was wearing a black box like the kind airplanes use. When was that EVER established.

scmadsen wrote...


The 20 members of the crew who did
not make it, and their dog tags you collect on the crash site mission
say otherwise.

Yes because they all rowed back to the Citadel in their escape pods.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 24 mars 2010 - 12:21 .

[scmadsen]

The ship was going down, lifepods where being launched. It it logical to assume that Shepard would turn on some kind of homing single. Suit based or ship based. Shepard even talks about the Alliance coming and launches a distress beacon.

Modifié par scmadsen, 24 mars 2010 - 12:24 .

[scmadsen]

InvaderErl wrote...

Yes because they all rowed back to the Citadel in their escape pods.

No, they died, and were left to rot by the Alliance, that's the point.

[InvaderErl]

scmadsen wrote...

The ship was going down, lifepods where being launched. It it logical to assume that Shepard would turn on kind of homing single. Suit based or ship based. Shepard even talks about the Alliance coming and launches a distress beacon.

WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING.

The Alliance came and picked them up. There were no other survivors at that point, all pods were launched the Normandy had been blown apart.

scmadsen wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Yes
because they all rowed back to the Citadel in their escape pods.

No,
they died, and were left to rot by the Alliance, that's the point.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 24 mars 2010 - 12:26 .

[Jonathan Shepard]

Larask wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...


The fact that Liara doesn't recognize her revenge is a petty triviality compared to THE REAPERS irks me to no end. That was one of the things I always liked about her was how smart she was. Nobody who's seen what she's seen should see any reason to focus on something else above that. It just doesn't make sense.

I couldn't have said it any better. This is something that has been in my head for a while, and while I do undestand that she does have this huge personal problem, helping Shepard should be anyone's priority, especially for someone like her. The thing is that BioWare didn't want to have her as a squad in ME2, and that was the way they did it. The only thing that might excuse the path that BW took with her, is IF in her mission (wheather with Shepard or not), she finds an important information about the Reapers. And this is a possibility given that she's dealing with the SB. Hopefully something like that will happen, and then the story will make more sense, and her character between the games will be more coherent.

Like everyone else though, her loyalty mission could've been her revenge. I know BW wants to keep her around, but... her voice-acting was terrible on Illium. It didn't even seem like the one I romanced. I cheated. And had no problem doing so. The only time I felt like Liara was in the game was aboard the Normandy during the opening sequence.

[InvaderErl]

Okay, I'm alright now.

scmadsen wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Yes because they all rowed back to the Citadel in their escape pods.

No, they died, and were left to rot by the Alliance, that's the point.

Dude, those 20 people were dead already.

The Alliance had only just found the Wreckage.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 24 mars 2010 - 12:29 .

[scmadsen]

Wow, I give up, you can't be made to understand. I bow out. Facepalm yourself for failing.

[Daurf815]

Liara is depicted this way on purpose to increase the chances of unloyal behavior by the player, this is to increase the emotional impact she'll play in ME3 if she is your romance option.



It's stupid to think they would make her all amazing and stuff in ME2 <.<

[InvaderErl]

scmadsen wrote...

Wow, I give up, you can't be made to understand. I bow out. Facepalm yourself for failing.

Buh-bye.

[Unata]

InvaderErl wrote...

Okay, I'm alright now.

scmadsen wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Yes because they all rowed back to the Citadel in their escape pods.

No, they died, and were left to rot by the Alliance, that's the point.

Dude, those 20 people were dead already.

The Alliance had only just found the Wreckage.

If the Alliance had found the wreckage why didn't someone then collect the dog tags? pretty stupid to leave them
for 2 years then ask a dead Shepard to "Oh hey, find the Normandy wreckage and grab them dog tags we were to
lazy/stupid to get".

I don't think they bothered other then know what sector/planet it was at, even then the Military has always before
*tried* to bring their personel home be it a tag, bag or bone, Alliance and Council wanted Shepard and the
Reaper stuff gone.

[InvaderErl]

Unata wrote...


If the Alliance had found the wreckage why didn't someone then collect the dog tags? pretty stupid to leave them
for 2 years then ask a dead Shepard to "Oh hey, find the Normandy wreckage and grab them dog tags we were to
lazy/stupid to get".

For the same reason the Alliance sent nobody to save Feros from an all out attack from the Geth in ME1, because its a video game.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Wow people tend to over think things.