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[Dethateer]

You talk to Zaeed 4 times in the whole game, directly. And that mission is nowhere near huge, since most of it involves running down the trail to the base itself, while fighting enemies exactly once.

[Nolenthar]

Cerberus Network comes with a Giver/Giver mentality, but it's clearly not free. It's a smart but interested idea. Considering this is free means you think EA/Bioware just developped the CN to make fan happier.

I remember a game, Total Annihilation, where the developers added several new units months after the game has been released, completely for free this time. You didn't need to be part of a pre-paid/pre-included network to get them. That was FREE.



Now, we should always complain when we think something is not good. Most of the people who currently call us "whiners" when we complain about the lacks of Mass Effect 2 complained about the lack of ME1, and are happy that Bioware listened to them (no matter how disappointed others are)

[Gocad]

It's kinda easy to ask for "MOAR FREE DLC....AND MAKE IT HUGE!" when you ignore the fact that making that costs money, too.

Levels don't create themselves, models don't build themselves either and I doubt voice actors work for free.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Gocad wrote...

It's kinda easy to ask for "MOAR FREE DLC....AND MAKE IT HUGE!" when you ignore the fact that making that costs money, too.
Levels don't create themselves, models don't build themselves either and I doubt voice actors work for free.

It costs money. Correct. And we have paid for it. It was part of the deal. Simple as that. Read the first post.

[Jebel Krong]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Gocad wrote...

It's kinda easy to ask for "MOAR FREE DLC....AND MAKE IT HUGE!" when you ignore the fact that making that costs money, too.
Levels don't create themselves, models don't build themselves either and I doubt voice actors work for free.

It costs money. Correct. And we have paid for it. It was part of the deal. Simple as that. Read the first post.

you haven't "paid" for PRC at all. at the most you've "paid" for the cerberus network (though it's cost is include with the game's cost so the two are inseparable). what "deal" do you refer to? don't be so blinded by your arrogance.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 24 mars 2010 - 12:30 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

bjdbwea wrote...

The Cerberus network access is not free, it is only bundled with any new game, but it is part of the purchase. If you buy the game second-hand, you have to pay. That means that indeed the content has to be held to the same standards as paid content. And as far as BioWare is concerned, it IS on the same standard as their paid content. That unfortunately means that quality and quantity are rather low. BdtS was somewhat small too, but it was very well done. Every DLC since then (I haven't bought any), has been even smaller in scope and, more importantly, lower in quality.

Now, if this scheme is indeed supposed to prevent people from buying a game second-hand, I can only say this: I could easily live without any of the content the Cerberus network has provided so far, so for me there would be no incentive not to buy the game second-hand.

That makes sense. If EA really wanted to make this a success then they should have tried harder.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Gocad wrote...

It's kinda easy to ask for "MOAR FREE DLC....AND MAKE IT HUGE!" when you ignore the fact that making that costs money, too.
Levels don't create themselves, models don't build themselves either and I doubt voice actors work for free.

It costs money. Correct. And we have paid for it. It was part of the deal. Simple as that. Read the first post.

you haven't "paid" for PRC at all. at the most you've "paid" for the cerberus network (though it's cost is include with the game's cost so the two are inseparable). what "deal" do you refer to? don't be so blinded by your arrogance.

I am trying to be polite with you. But I have a hard time doing that. I am even wondering if you read what you write yourself.

[Estelindis]

While I have no criticism of the *idea* of such DLC, the Cerberus Network hasn't worked for me for the past five weeks. (Had no problem getting Zaeed, but now the connection times out when I try to log into the Cerberus Network, though I have no problems accessing the Bioware site.) It'd be nice if I could actually use this stuff I supposedly paid for. :-(

[AngryFrozenWater]

Estelindis wrote...

While I have no criticism of the *idea* of such DLC, the Cerberus Network hasn't worked for me for the past five weeks. (Had no problem getting Zaeed, but now the connection times out when I try to log into the Cerberus Network, though I have no problems accessing the Bioware site.) It'd be nice if I could actually use this stuff I supposedly paid for. :-(

Have you tried customer support, yet?

[Nolenthar]

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Gocad wrote...

It's kinda easy to ask for "MOAR FREE DLC....AND MAKE IT HUGE!" when you ignore the fact that making that costs money, too.
Levels don't create themselves, models don't build themselves either and I doubt voice actors work for free.

It costs money. Correct. And we have paid for it. It was part of the deal. Simple as that. Read the first post.

you haven't "paid" for PRC at all. at the most you've "paid" for the cerberus network (though it's cost is include with the game's cost so the two are inseparable). what "deal" do you refer to? don't be so blinded by your arrogance.

You're such a great consumer ! You pay a product and you don't even want it to be good.
Hey, why do you complain about Planet Scanning ? It was free (included in the game).
Hey, why do you complain about N7 missions ? it was free (included in the game).
You pay cerberus network, no matter how strong you want to think the opposite. Free would mean everyone could have it for free. If you buy the game second hand, you pay 1200 bioware points. Do you call this free ?

[Nolenthar]

Estelindis wrote...

While I have no criticism of the *idea* of such DLC, the Cerberus Network hasn't worked for me for the past five weeks. (Had no problem getting Zaeed, but now the connection times out when I try to log into the Cerberus Network, though I have no problems accessing the Bioware site.) It'd be nice if I could actually use this stuff I supposedly paid for. :-(

I'm smelling a firewall issue (or a windows service one, as on DAO) but AngryFrozenWater's right, call the Support, it's the best way. 

[Estelindis]

Nolenthar wrote...
I'm smelling a firewall issue (or a windows service one, as on DAO) but AngryFrozenWater's right, call the Support, it's the best way. 

Thanks for the advice.  I have tried EA live support chat, but no one comes along to take my query.  I might be better off with an email.

[Jebel Krong]

Nolenthar wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Gocad wrote...

It's kinda easy to ask for "MOAR FREE DLC....AND MAKE IT HUGE!" when you ignore the fact that making that costs money, too.
Levels don't create themselves, models don't build themselves either and I doubt voice actors work for free.

It costs money. Correct. And we have paid for it. It was part of the deal. Simple as that. Read the first post.

you haven't "paid" for PRC at all. at the most you've "paid" for the cerberus network (though it's cost is include with the game's cost so the two are inseparable). what "deal" do you refer to? don't be so blinded by your arrogance.

You're such a great consumer ! You pay a product and you don't even want it to be good.
Hey, why do you complain about Planet Scanning ? It was free (included in the game).
Hey, why do you complain about N7 missions ? it was free (included in the game).
You pay cerberus network, no matter how strong you want to think the opposite. Free would mean everyone could have it for free. If you buy the game second hand, you pay 1200 bioware points. Do you call this free ?

if you buy the game 2nd hand, BW gets nothing for their hard work and you being cheap, so YOU work it out. genius.

[Jebel Krong]

EDIt: stupid forum double post.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 24 mars 2010 - 02:17 .

[Jebel Krong]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It costs money. Correct. And we have paid for it. It was part of the deal. Simple as that. Read the first post.

you haven't "paid" for PRC at all. at the most you've "paid" for the cerberus network (though it's cost is include with the game's cost so the two are inseparable). what "deal" do you refer to? don't be so blinded by your arrogance.

I am trying to be polite with you. But I have a hard time doing that. I am even wondering if you read what you write yourself.

obviously you don't or you wouldn't keep making such idiotic posts. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

[JKoopman]

Corporations must just love people like Jebel Krong; consumers who actively oppose their own rights...

You paid for the Cerberus Network when you gave BioWare your $60 USD (unless you bought it used in which case you paid for it when you gave them the $15 activation fee, and the fact that BioWare makes no profit from after-market sales does nothing to devalue this to the end user). The Cerberus Network was advertised alongside the game as a purchasing incentive. It wasn't something that BioWare just decide to give us out of the kindness of their hearts after the fact. The Cerberus Network is part of the overall product and it adds value to the purchase. If the Cerberus Network DLC turns out to be worthless garbage then it actually decreases the value of that purchase.

Imagine you're shopping for a new car. You're on the fence about buying but the dealer says he'll give you free car washes for 1 year as an incentive. That adds value to the purchase; it makes it a better deal. But when you bring the car in for your free washes he half-assedly sprays soapy water on it for 10 seconds and then tells you it's done. When you complain that not only are the washes not as advertised but the soap is leaving spots and actually making your car look worse, he tells you not to complain because they're a free gift that he's providing for you out of his own generosity.

BioWare mailing out Mass Effect t-shirts to 1,000 randomly selected fans would be a free gift. BioWare releasing a Mass Effect Xbox Live avatar bundle at no charge would be a free gift. BioWare releasing a DLC package outside of the Cerberus Network at no charge would be a free gift. BioWare releasing DLC over the Cerberus Network in agreement with the advertised purchasing incentive is not, in any way, a "free gift." It's a paid service that BioWare consented to provide access to as part of the purchasing agreement made when you paid full retail price for their game, and therefor it and the quality of it's content factors into the overall value of the package; it's part of the deal. And it's not being ungrateful to expect quality from that content, nor to complain when it's obvious shovelware.

Modifié par JKoopman, 24 mars 2010 - 05:18 .

[Dethateer]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Nolenthar wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Gocad wrote...

It's kinda easy to ask for "MOAR FREE DLC....AND MAKE IT HUGE!" when you ignore the fact that making that costs money, too.
Levels don't create themselves, models don't build themselves either and I doubt voice actors work for free.

It costs money. Correct. And we have paid for it. It was part of the deal. Simple as that. Read the first post.

you haven't "paid" for PRC at all. at the most you've "paid" for the cerberus network (though it's cost is include with the game's cost so the two are inseparable). what "deal" do you refer to? don't be so blinded by your arrogance.

You're such a great consumer ! You pay a product and you don't even want it to be good.
Hey, why do you complain about Planet Scanning ? It was free (included in the game).
Hey, why do you complain about N7 missions ? it was free (included in the game).
You pay cerberus network, no matter how strong you want to think the opposite. Free would mean everyone could have it for free. If you buy the game second hand, you pay 1200 bioware points. Do you call this free ?

if you buy the game 2nd hand, BW gets nothing for their hard work and you being cheap, so YOU work it out. genius.

*headdesk*
Way to dodge the questions.

[Nolenthar]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Nolenthar wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Gocad wrote...

It's kinda easy to ask for "MOAR FREE DLC....AND MAKE IT HUGE!" when you ignore the fact that making that costs money, too.
Levels don't create themselves, models don't build themselves either and I doubt voice actors work for free.

It costs money. Correct. And we have paid for it. It was part of the deal. Simple as that. Read the first post.

you haven't "paid" for PRC at all. at the most you've "paid" for the cerberus network (though it's cost is include with the game's cost so the two are inseparable). what "deal" do you refer to? don't be so blinded by your arrogance.

You're such a great consumer ! You pay a product and you don't even want it to be good.
Hey, why do you complain about Planet Scanning ? It was free (included in the game).
Hey, why do you complain about N7 missions ? it was free (included in the game).
You pay cerberus network, no matter how strong you want to think the opposite. Free would mean everyone could have it for free. If you buy the game second hand, you pay 1200 bioware points. Do you call this free ?

if you buy the game 2nd hand, BW gets nothing for their hard work and you being cheap, so YOU work it out. genius.

I'll clearly not argue all day long. I'm happy they could convince you so well. You're right by the way. Why spending time and resources creating great Cerberus Network DLC when, anyway, people considers it's free and do not expect quality from free products ?
Reading your post, I would say they would be wrong, it would be a waste of money and time. 

[Chuvvy]

Why spend three months creating some average DLC when they could have spent that three months working on an expansion like they did for DAO. It would have made them more cash and kept people interested in the game. If they had it would probably be nearing completion by now it's been five months. Maybe they are working on one maybe they'll announce it at E3.

[ArchDemonXIII]

My 2 cents:



First off since I haven't posted here, some background: I am far from a BW apologist. The only BW games I've played are ME 1and 2 and Jade Empire (which i never finished because I found the combat system too RPG-centric.for reference, I'm a fighting game nut) I'm primarily an action game fan, so I have little to no experience with DLC beyond Team Fortress 2 and L4D (neither of which i play very much. In fact I uninstalled both to make room for ME2)



Also, on an unrelated note, I'd like to dispute the claim that shooter fans "don't care about story." A more realistic statement would be that shooter fans place less emphasis on story. But I digress.



On the subject of the CN DLC, well lets see what we got:



Cerberus armor: It's a decent piece of equipment that I rarely use since after spending whatever amount of time crafting a custom face, what's the point of not being able to see your avatar interact with the world. That being said I plan on doing a playthrough as a Cerberus lackey where i intend to wear it exclusively and kill off everyone except jacb and miranda, so it has it's uses.



Eviscerator: this gun is good. too good in fact. It makes pretty much all the other shotguns obsolete with the exception of the claymore which it just gives a run for it's money. That being said having it drastically alters the game for the classes/teammates that pack a shotty.



Normandy crash site: really only worth playing once unless you really like having the old helmet for your cabin on subsequent playthroughs.



Hammerhead: y'know considering how polarizing the Mako was, I think it was probably smart not to spend an excessive amount of dev time on something that people may revile anyway (really intelligent in retrospect). That being said, I think the hammerhead itself is pretty cool, but agree the missions themselves are pretty lackluster. The true value of this piece is the extra biotic damage that I think raises it's value beyond play time as that can legitimately affect the rest of your play experience.



Zaeed: Now this is way more impacting on the game than just the length of his mission. You have the choice of getting upgrades that exceed the normal 5/5 for heavy weapons or AR, a new heavy weapon that's actually fun and useful on some missions (vanguard + flamethrower = some devilish fun) but Zaeed himself ends up on my squad more frequently than some of the people that came with the game (I'm looking right at you Jacob and Jack). Furthermore his mission gets bonus points for having one of the few Par/Ren decisions that equates to more than P) Do something out of honor and duty vs R) do the same thing, but be snarky about it.



In conclusion, do I think the CN is worth $15? Not currently. But if they keep releasing things that have a lasting impact on subsequent playthroughs at the same rate, in a year when more people are selling their old copy, it may just have enough stuff to be worth it. Time will tell.

[Bigeyez]

You all know you have spent four pages arguing over semantics right? Whether you call it "free", bundled, or just something added in at no additonal cost doesn't matter one bit.



The whole topic is subjective anyways. I don't expect much of something I didn't pay money for (or in other words something I got with the price I would have paid for the game anyways) therefore I don't complain about the DLC, because it's not something I would get worked up about.



Other people view it differently and thats great for them I guess.

[Frostmanus]

Where is it? says Duke...