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[Seagull111]

I love Bioware games and I have played many since BG.

Unfortunately there are signs that EA is influencing Bioware quality and is
ruining its special relationship with  fans:

1. The price tag of Awakening.

2. Ill treatment of bugs.

3. Rumors of a Sequel in Feb 1st 2011 (which seems a bit rushed).

Anyone else worried?


"In 2008, BioWare/Pandemic Studios was acquired by Electronic Arts Inc., the world's leading interactive entertainment software company." (from Bioware's website)

Modifié par Seagull111, 23 mars 2010 - 11:54 .

[sylvanaerie]

I think I will wait on the sequel, see what the fans say after its been out a while. Maybe bugs patched. Considering how excited I was about Awakenings and it was kind of a let down (not a huge one just a let down) I think next time I will just adopt a "Wait and see" attitude.

[Pinkleaf]

It's a real shame that game makers need publishers.

Publishers are so greedy and have no concerns for the game nor it's customers.

It is publishers that are ruining the game market and not other things that the publishers may blame.



It seems to happen to the best of game makers, they all end up squished by publishers demand for more and more profits.

[Seagull111]

Dear Pinkleaf (I like the name)
EA owns Bioware"
"In 2008, BioWare/Pandemic Studios was acquired by Electronic Arts Inc., the world's leading interactive entertainment software company." (from Bioware's website)

Modifié par Seagull111, 23 mars 2010 - 11:55 .

[VampireCommando]

Pinkleaf wrote...

It's a real shame that game makers need publishers.
Publishers are so greedy and have no concerns for the game nor it's customers.
It is publishers that are ruining the game market and not other things that the publishers may blame.

It seems to happen to the best of game makers, they all end up squished by publishers demand for more and more profits.

I could not agree more, and as for the DA sequel, i dont know if the games gonna be rushed, because DA:O came out  in november 2009, and the sequel is coming 02.02.11 i realy dont know what to think as it did only take them just over 18months to create ME2 but a sequal after only 14ish months, i sure do hope its not EA pushing them to meet impossibale demands, whilst im looking forward to DA2 i would rather wait and have them take there time and diliver a great game then rush it and have to release it when EA say so, and then play a game of degraded quality, full of bugs and lacks in certain departments. But i guess we shall see

[Pinkleaf]

Seagull111 wrote...

Dear Pinkleaf (I like the name)
EA owns Bioware"
"In 2008, BioWare/Pandemic Studios was acquired by Electronic Arts Inc., the world's leading interactive entertainment software company." (from Bioware's website)

Thank you seagull.

EA own Bioware?  That is really awful news, it's like losing all hope of another DAO like the last one.

[TheLastAwakening]

We don't know if that is a sequel in 2011 feb, it could just be another book or expansion. If I recall correctly weren't there supposed be something like 2 years worth of dlc? However, EA hasn't been all that bad or at least I don't think they have, just look at ME 2...wait...

[DoDadds]

1. price wasnt bad for 20 hrs of game time considering the replay value and the the face that so many full price games can be beat in 8 hrs.



2. bugs can be a tough thing to correct. changing one line of code to fix a problem could wind up causing a chain of problems down the line. bugs happen, no game is perfect.



3. rumors? really? what does a rumor have to do with anything? every successful game has rumors about future releases.

[Onyx Jaguar]

EA owning Bioware is better than having Bioware go down with Pandemic in a fiery blaze.

[rabbitchannel]

 This type of one-track thinking is what I don't understand. "BW announced that there will be something DA related released in Feb 1, 2011! It must be DA 2. Additionally, the only possible for such an early release date is that EA forced BW to churn out games at the expense of quality! It's the only logical conclusion!"

Ugh. As fans, you can't even give BW the benefit of the doubt? Totally disregard their track record and focus only on DA:A, which, may I add, is subjective. I am thoroughly enjoying DA:A and while there are many reports of bugs (the only I encountered personally was consecutive crashing), BW will no doubt release a patch. It's only been out for several days. Ill treatment, yeah right. Some shouldn't have made it past testing, but that does not mean they won't be addressed.

There are many possible explanations for a shorter development time:

1. There will only be minor technical improvements compared to the prequel. Thus, development time will be reduced and focus will be spent on the story, characters, acting, and related aspects. 

2. Technology has improved over time (no waiii). Development, editing, programming, modeling, etc, are now done with greater efficiency and speed. 

3. Economies of scale. Being a part of a larger corporation, has decreased costs, allowing for greater spending power when it comes to resources.

4. BW's merging with EA and the newfound success of ME, ME 2, and DA:O have further strengthened BW's position in the market, making it easier to acquire and negotiate resources.

5. ETC.

This pessimistic notion of EA corrupting BW is being tossed around with the weight and horror of the black plague with nothing but speculation to support it.

"I didn't enjoy the game! There were bugs! BW and EA are totally screwing us! They just want money, greedy bastards! The price was too high for me even though it was perfect for others and cheap for others still!".

[rabbitchannel]

Actually, the only thing where I think something is amiss is with the price, truly. I got mine for a decent price while the PS3 players got shafted (lol consolz). Still, this is just one indication. Not yet a pattern and not yet a cause for alarm. There are even conflicting opinions as to whether or not the PS3 price was EA/BW's decision.

Modifié par rabbitchannel, 23 mars 2010 - 01:36 .

[archonsod]

Nah. The days of evil corporate EA vanished when they got a new CEO who realised it's generally better to let the developers do what they do (make games) rather than getting involved, and they managed to release some of the best games of the past three years.

These days we all hate evil corporate Ubisoft for their insane DRM schemes. Do try to keep up with the times people!

[Seagull111]

archonsod wrote...

Nah. The days of evil corporate EA vanished when they got a new CEO who realised it's generally better to let the developers do what they do (make games) rather than getting involved, and they managed to release some of the best games of the past three years.
These days we all hate evil corporate Ubisoft for their insane DRM schemes. Do try to keep up with the times people!

Good to know that.

[Mr.DriftingDreamer]

However, I have heard a disturbing rumor that DA:2 (if that's what it is going to be called) is going to be a MMORPG.

[0ts0]

DA:2? Yeah, well I won't buy that if 1.03 patch isn't fixed. Mmorpg? Lol, never. PWs a la NwN? Hell yeah.

[Bullets McDeath]

Seagull111 wrote...

archonsod wrote...

Nah. The days of evil corporate EA vanished when they got a new CEO who realised it's generally better to let the developers do what they do (make games) rather than getting involved, and they managed to release some of the best games of the past three years.
These days we all hate evil corporate Ubisoft for their insane DRM schemes. Do try to keep up with the times people!

Good to know that.

Greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

EA has cleaned up their act in alot of ways, but they still have the biggest problem they've always had: they care more about making money than making games. Every company wants to make money of course but when that's the overriding goal, quality and artistic integrity are the first to get thrown out to make the deadline.

If you don't believe me, I got 3 words for you. Dragon Age: Awakening.

[arni3]

Mr.DriftingDreamer wrote...

However, I have heard a disturbing rumor that DA:2 (if that's what it is going to be called) is going to be a MMORPG.

ORLY??? its that true..................?? 

[Poleaxe]

archonsod wrote...

Nah. The days of evil corporate EA vanished when they got a new CEO who realised it's generally better to let the developers do what they do (make games) rather than getting involved, and they managed to release some of the best games of the past three years.
These days we all hate evil corporate Ubisoft for their insane DRM schemes. Do try to keep up with the times people!

That CEO may be on the hot seat because of EA's finacial performance.  I believe the DA project for Feb 2011 is likely DA2- it would make sense that EA is looking for as many wins as possible right now.

The scary part for BW fans is that management can change at EA and how that will then affect BW games (and jobs). 

[Petsura]

Mr.DriftingDreamer wrote...

However, I have heard a disturbing rumor that DA:2 (if that's what it is going to be called) is going to be a MMORPG.

Whoever told you that needs to check his sources, because it's definitely not an MMO and never will be.

But yeah, disregarding the bugs and balance for DAO(A) and going for a sequel which will be released the coming year is not the smartest way to go, I agree.

[Mr.DriftingDreamer]

Petsura wrote...

Mr.DriftingDreamer wrote...

However, I have heard a disturbing rumor that DA:2 (if that's what it is going to be called) is going to be a MMORPG.

Whoever told you that needs to check his sources, because it's definitely not an MMO and never will be.

But yeah, disregarding the bugs and balance for DAO(A) and going for a sequel which will be released the coming year is not the smartest way to go, I agree.

I completely agree.  I I hope what I heard is dead wrong.  I hate MMORPGs with a passion.  I think they are companies ways of giving up on making a really good product and just sucking you dry for money.

[boardnfool86]

you sir, are paranoid

[Itkovian]

It would not be an MMORPG. DA's success points to the continuing viability of the single player RPG market (particularly on PC). That's a market that must continue to be exploited.

Bioware is already working on the MMORPG market with TOR, anyway.

Itkovian

[Cazlee]

Bioware turning into EAware?
Let's go further, shall we?
Soon to be BEAware...Beware if this trend in quality continues.

I hope EA eventually learns that RPG fans are a lot more more pickier than "The Sims" fans and shooter fans, and gives Bioware more resources in the future.

Modifié par Cazlee, 23 mars 2010 - 09:44 .

[Spyndel]

I dunno. If I put on my "Electronic Arts Evil Overlord" thinking cap, I'm looking at TOR, and thinking "as long as we already have the engine and infrastructure built now, why *not* re-skin it for another game with our new generic fantasy license we own all the rights to. People have already demonstrated theyre willing to shell out any amount of money for anything we slap the DA logo on...look at how Awakening worked out for us."



I can see it. Even if Bioware doesnt make it, I can see EA thinking about having it made.

[Mass Fraud]

archonsod wrote...

Nah. The days of evil corporate EA vanished when they got a new CEO who realised it's generally better to let the developers do what they do (make games) rather than getting involved, and they managed to release some of the best games of the past three years.
These days we all hate evil corporate Ubisoft for their insane DRM schemes. Do try to keep up with the times people!

Or Failvision.... errrrr...Activision.<_<