I'm just about to start a new elf mage character, starting from the beginning of Origins and straight through to Awakening. This is my first playthrough as a AW (second run as a mage) and I just found out that some dexterity seems to be required so you can boost your attack rating along with the bonus from combat magic, as relying just on the arcane warrior spell tree only seems to give you a small boost to attack rating.
So, how many points should be placed in dexterity to have a good hit rating with the AW? I don't want to gimp my character by adding to many points to a tertiary attribute.
Arcane Warrior + Dexterity
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groundhogie
, mars 23 2010 12:43
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Posté 23 mars 2010 - 01:25
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Depends on how you want to build it. I had around 20+ dex at the end of DAO. I wore Massive Armors so I didn't need it for hit. I needed it for some defense. I'm a frontline aura-type so I pumped a lot more into Willpower than most. Also put a bit into Con.
It would help if you also explain your AW concept. There are many different ways to build it. I've done the swiss-knife AW build for Morrigan and frontline Aura for my main. There's a caster-type of which I'd like to hear more about.
Tbh, you can make several mistakes in your AW build and still come out pretty strong. It doesn't have that big a margin of error. My first run through wasn't perfect. You may not want my recommendations because it may not suit your playstyle. Mine doesn't cast a lot of spells. ^^
It would help if you also explain your AW concept. There are many different ways to build it. I've done the swiss-knife AW build for Morrigan and frontline Aura for my main. There's a caster-type of which I'd like to hear more about.
Tbh, you can make several mistakes in your AW build and still come out pretty strong. It doesn't have that big a margin of error. My first run through wasn't perfect. You may not want my recommendations because it may not suit your playstyle. Mine doesn't cast a lot of spells. ^^
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Posté 23 mars 2010 - 01:45
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Ako80 posted an excellent guide to AW and spellcasting in general. I can't get the link tool to work but you can find it by Googling social.bioware.com for "The ultimate guide to Arcane Warriors". The guide recommends dex 30.
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Posté 23 mars 2010 - 04:53
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Dex is't needed for AW unless u are using ranged and daggers, boost strength instead, and only till 20 or so, the rest u just put in Willpower so u can cast more spells even with all armor spells on, and ofc in magic to boost your magic power and weapon damage.
When u get your char in Awakening, unlock the Battlemage class ASAP! it makes an AW even more formidable!! like the stoic talent, witch converts damage u take into mana, and some other neat spells
For a guide on these forums, look for Colma's Nightmare Aracane warrior thread, its a great thread even if u don't play on nightmare. u find it in the Character creation forum.
When u get your char in Awakening, unlock the Battlemage class ASAP! it makes an AW even more formidable!! like the stoic talent, witch converts damage u take into mana, and some other neat spells
For a guide on these forums, look for Colma's Nightmare Aracane warrior thread, its a great thread even if u don't play on nightmare. u find it in the Character creation forum.
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Posté 23 mars 2010 - 05:07
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Origins:
You do not need any points in Dexterity in an Origins run through if you are playing as a Sword and Board Arcane Warrior. You can maintain a very decent attack rating without a single points invested.
Source:
http://www.neoseeker...arcane-warrior/
Kudos to swk3000 for the number crunching in this thread. If you follow this guide, you'll end up with a very decent attack rating, and have no issues with hitting anything ingame. I know I have not. If on the other hand you want to create a dual wielding Arcane Warrior (insane with X2 Haste stack), then you will need to invest upto 30 points into Dexterity just to use some of the nicer daggers.
Awakenings:
For Awakenings, I've respecced and removed all the pts I obtained in the Fade for Willpower (whilst maintaing my sustainables, so this took some time to find the right balance), Strength and some for Constitution and invested into Dexterity. So far I find that about 40 Dexterity seems good, although I haven't finished the entire expansion as yet.
Hope this helps.
You do not need any points in Dexterity in an Origins run through if you are playing as a Sword and Board Arcane Warrior. You can maintain a very decent attack rating without a single points invested.
Source:
http://www.neoseeker...arcane-warrior/
Kudos to swk3000 for the number crunching in this thread. If you follow this guide, you'll end up with a very decent attack rating, and have no issues with hitting anything ingame. I know I have not. If on the other hand you want to create a dual wielding Arcane Warrior (insane with X2 Haste stack), then you will need to invest upto 30 points into Dexterity just to use some of the nicer daggers.
Awakenings:
For Awakenings, I've respecced and removed all the pts I obtained in the Fade for Willpower (whilst maintaing my sustainables, so this took some time to find the right balance), Strength and some for Constitution and invested into Dexterity. So far I find that about 40 Dexterity seems good, although I haven't finished the entire expansion as yet.
Hope this helps.
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Posté 23 mars 2010 - 05:10
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Takrandro wrote...
Dex is't needed for AW unless u are using ranged and daggers, boost strength instead, and only till 20 or so, the rest u just put in Willpower so u can cast more spells even with all armor spells on, and ofc in magic to boost your magic power and weapon damage.
When u get your char in Awakening, unlock the Battlemage class ASAP! it makes an AW even more formidable!! like the stoic talent, witch converts damage u take into mana, and some other neat spells
For a guide on these forums, look for Colma's Nightmare Aracane warrior thread, its a great thread even if u don't play on nightmare. u find it in the Character creation forum.
Incorrect, do not invest anything in Strength!!! Magic substitutes for Strength when Combat Magic is activated, and even though STR does add to attack rating, Dex adds to Attack Rating and Defence.
My STR in Awakenings is the base 10 for an Elf after a respec, it is a completley useless attribute for an Arcane Warrior.
Modifié par Nioxide, 23 mars 2010 - 05:11 .
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Posté 23 mars 2010 - 05:25
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MAybe so, but i still have a hard time hitting bosses while i have 65 magic(base) so some strength or dex is needed then, but the game says that dex only increases attack rating for daggers and ranged, so i think u need to put some points manually in strength couse combat magic only gives u the basic damage boost as if u had that much strength, not the hit chance(just speculation)
i could still be wrong, but i go by what i seen with my own eyes, rather then take the game apart piece by piece.
i could still be wrong, but i go by what i seen with my own eyes, rather then take the game apart piece by piece.
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Posté 23 mars 2010 - 05:39
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Thanks for the advice. An investment of 30 dex to use the higher tier daggers isn't as much as I thought, I should be able to reach that easily using items and the boost from the Fade.
I'm probably going to go for a dual wield AW, using Wynne to cast Haste and Heroic Offense on my PC. I see myself using the class more as a hybrid, I'll cast some damaging spells like Virulent Bomb or Fireball at the start of a fight and then turn on my sustainables to take out any enemies survivors who come into melee range.
I'm probably going to go for a dual wield AW, using Wynne to cast Haste and Heroic Offense on my PC. I see myself using the class more as a hybrid, I'll cast some damaging spells like Virulent Bomb or Fireball at the start of a fight and then turn on my sustainables to take out any enemies survivors who come into melee range.
Modifié par groundhogie, 23 mars 2010 - 05:40 .
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Posté 23 mars 2010 - 06:06
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Imyself use Sword and shield, since the only AW weapon is Spellweaver, a good caster sword with good damage, and there are more then eneugh good shields to go around.
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Posté 23 mars 2010 - 08:47
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dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Attributes#At_a_glance Dexterity and Strength add .5 attack per point over 10.
Don't add to dexterity to gain attack rating. On a 4 man team it's better to use Song of Courage (Bard) and Rally (Campion) along with things like Miasma, Weakness, and Disorient that reduce enemy defense. If you want more attack on your AW without using those you can get items that add a decent amount of attack. Enchanted Daggers is the earliest and dual wielding those along with high magic weapon sustainables (Flaming Weapons) can do a lot of damage in the early game. Later on there are even shields that add attack rating if you prefer the small chance of missle deflection. Also keep an eye out for armor pieces that add dexterity (Corruption comes to mind, but I think that's in the final battles) and don't tie yourself down to using massive armor just because you can. You can often use lighter armor for the bonuses they provide without losing much armor rating, allowing you to use pieces that increase your dexterity without becoming a totally squishy mage again.
Basically I just pumped magic on my AW and used an Enchanted Dagger throughout the game to make the most o out of my weapon sustainables. It worked fine for me, and got me through Origins without getting any injuries.
Don't add to dexterity to gain attack rating. On a 4 man team it's better to use Song of Courage (Bard) and Rally (Campion) along with things like Miasma, Weakness, and Disorient that reduce enemy defense. If you want more attack on your AW without using those you can get items that add a decent amount of attack. Enchanted Daggers is the earliest and dual wielding those along with high magic weapon sustainables (Flaming Weapons) can do a lot of damage in the early game. Later on there are even shields that add attack rating if you prefer the small chance of missle deflection. Also keep an eye out for armor pieces that add dexterity (Corruption comes to mind, but I think that's in the final battles) and don't tie yourself down to using massive armor just because you can. You can often use lighter armor for the bonuses they provide without losing much armor rating, allowing you to use pieces that increase your dexterity without becoming a totally squishy mage again.
Basically I just pumped magic on my AW and used an Enchanted Dagger throughout the game to make the most o out of my weapon sustainables. It worked fine for me, and got me through Origins without getting any injuries.
