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[FlyinElk212]

She gets exiled in every single one of my playthroughs.

I'm sorry, but having a way for Tali to stay with the Fleet without evidence is bullcrap. It completely trivializes what would otherwise be a very awesome, difficult decision. It's a cop-out card that Bioware placed into the game as to not anger the Tali legion (Ha! see what I did there?)

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 23 mars 2010 - 05:41 .

[Mcjon01]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

She gets exiled in every single one of my playthroughs.

I'm sorry, but having a way for Tali to stay with the Fleet without evidence is bullcrap. It completely trivializes what would otherwise be a very awesome, difficult decision. It's a cop-out card that Bioware placed into the game as to not anger the Tali legion (Ha! see what I did there?)

It's not really much of a decision, though.  Tali is willing to get exiled to protect her father's legacy.  Your mission is to get Tali loyal.  Without any "outs" it pretty much becomes a mission on rails.  Personally, I think the persuade options are pretty lame, but rewarding the player for not traumatizing Veetor and keeping Kal'Reegar alive is sweet enough to make up for it.

[mjs0066]

I did on my first playthrough because i dared to play the game as a middleground character and when I did that mission, didn't have either paragon or renegade option available.  That is one of my complaints about this game.  I hate that it punishes you for actually making choices that are relevant to each particular issue, instead you have to pick one side and basically stick to it all the way through or be left with crappy outcomes like tali getting exiled.

[Firmijn]

I did once, I think it will make her a better person^^

[FlyinElk212]

Mcjon01 wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

She gets exiled in every single one of my playthroughs.

I'm sorry, but having a way for Tali to stay with the Fleet without evidence is bullcrap. It completely trivializes what would otherwise be a very awesome, difficult decision. It's a cop-out card that Bioware placed into the game as to not anger the Tali legion (Ha! see what I did there?)

It's not really much of a decision, though.  Tali is willing to get exiled to protect her father's legacy.  Your mission is to get Tali loyal.  Without any "outs" it pretty much becomes a mission on rails.  Personally, I think the persuade options are pretty lame, but rewarding the player for not traumatizing Veetor and keeping Kal'Reegar alive is sweet enough to make up for it.

Truth--it would be more of a decision if you could present the evidence and still win Tali's loyalty (something along the lines of Zaeed's loyalty--you can still win it even if you go against his wishes and save the colonists through a persuasion check).

THIS is how the paragon-renegade should have been implemented in the trial. Not some stupid speech (that sounds epic, btw...) that somehow makes the player have their cake and eat it too. The way it's implemented seems to me like an obvious ploy to quell Tali fans.

[sonsonthebia07]

I never let her get exiled.



One time, on my "full of douche" canon John Shepard playthrough, I turned the evidence damning her father in.



Any other time I always used the Para/gade option.

[KOKitten]

No, I've always been able to suppress the evidence and talk them out of the exile.

This mission is a bit of a quandry, though. I want to help Tali and it's not her fault that her father was conducting those experiments. She should not be punished for another's actions.

But deep down, my purest paragon Shep felt dirty suppressing the evidence. For example, if a C-Sec agent was committing crimes and that fact was discovered after he was dead, is it right to just cover the wrongdoings because the agent is dead?

Don't the families of the other Alarei crewmembers have a right to know what really happened?

I guess I'm saying I'd have rather resolved the issue by submitting the evidence and then arguing with the Admiralty Board that 1) Tali had nothing to do with her father's actions; 2) that the Admiralty Board should not strip Rael'Zorah's name from their records as his actions, while wrong, were performed with good intentions toward the Fleet and that 3) The fact that Rael’Zorah, an Admiral and war hero, was willing to risk his and his crew’s lives with unauthorized experiments should be a wake-up call to the Admiralty Board to stop their infighting and start working together.

[Grilled Trout]

Since so many people are complaining about lack of hard choices in Mass Effect games...

What if... in Mass Effect 3, you can only recruit Tali into your cause if you had let her be exiled?  If you managed to either lose her loyalty or avoid her from being exiled, you cannot recuit her back?

Now THAT is a hard choice, isn't it?  But then again, the mass that is Tali fans would not be happy about it at all, I assume.

[archurban]

you can't solve her problem. it's too late. father was dead already even you know before going to mission. exile is very obvious no matter what you provide evidence or hide. it doesn't change court decision which is ridiculous. it seems like quarians already decided before.

[InvaderErl]

???



You can get her out of being exiled.

[Schroing]

On my romance runs with her, I always do. I want her to be focused on me, cleaning and cooking and the like, not those silly family-type things.

[Grilled Trout]

LOL @ Schroing... a bit possessive of your love interest, aren't we?



Anyway, the whole loyalty mission was great... I finally got to see the Admiralty Board and the Flotilla... learned more about the quarians and their future plans... would it be to take the fight to the geth or look for a new home world....



I have a strong feeling that Tali will indeed return in Mass Effect 3.

[eternalnightmare13]

I got her exiled once and turned over the evidence once. Think those are better then the blue/red choices.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

yes, once.



just for the dialogue.

[TheLostGenius]

I handed over the evidence each time, hoping and praying that they would give Tali the death sentence and that we get to see some Quarian Gullituine action!

[GuardianAngel470]

As much as I wish letting her get exiled would affect the story of ME3, it probably won't happen. Bioware has set a precedent and given themselves an out on this one. If you did the Geth Incursions missions in ME1 the only thing it changes as far as tali and her pilgrimage is about 3 lines of dialog. That's the precedent. The out is when you talk to tali after she is exiled she tells you that she might be accepted back if she finds anything meaningful on the suicide mission. That means that in ME3 they will probably just say she did find meaningful info on the mission and that she used that to get accepted back. That is one point that won't be affecting ME3.



Oh, and I didn't let tali get exiled, I didn't have enough paragon or renegade to talk our way out of the trial.

[Qwepir]

I always thought the rally the crowd option was pretty dumb. Shoulda gone like this:


Kal'Reegar- "You'll have to exile me too!"
Veetor- "And me!"
Admiral Koris- "Alright. You, you, and you. Out."

Modifié par Qwepir, 24 mars 2010 - 01:29 .

[Lord Coake]

Even as a Tali fan, I didn't like how the trial turns out. It would have been far better if the Paragon/Renegade choice took place on the shuttle ride back to the Ryya, in a conversation with Tali, with the Paragon choice being convincing her to let her fathers crimes land on his shoulders and name, and the Renegade choice being her letting herself get exiled to defend what can only be called a war criminal.

After that, it's just the two-point Ren/Para/Neutral conversation choices with the Admirals, where Tali's loyalty is determined by you going along with the choice agreed upon in the conversation with her.

Of course, I'd have another option too. Show to the gathered populace that the Admirals are not only playing fast and loose with the safety of the fleet, but are fully willing to throw their own people the wolves for the sake of political infighting.

Paragon: Start a near riot and push the Quarian people to overthrow the Admiralty board.
Renegade: Help cover the board's ass.

Modifié par Lord Coake, 24 mars 2010 - 01:43 .

[Internet Kraken]

Never gotten her exiled. If I'm just going to be a bastard and hide the evidence, I might as well stop her from being exiled in the process. I don't hate Tali enough to let her ruin her life for the sake of her dead father. So I always either use the persuasion checks (though they do seem ridiculous) or hand over the evidence (my preferred path).

[Lord Coake]

Qwepir wrote...

I always thought the rally the crowd option was pretty dumb. Shoulda gone like this:


Kal'Reegar- "You'll have to exile me too!"
Veetor- "And me!"
Admiral Koris- "Alright. You, you, and you. Out."

That would start a riot.  Veetor is an innocent bystandard, traumatized but recovering and recently reutrned from Pilgimige in good standing, and Kal'Reeger is an unshakeably loyal Marine whos only possible crime is being too loyal to a pack of politicians.

Korris could probably have both of them detained, Veetor censured, and Kal demoted (or outright forced out of the Marines) for interfering with an oficial inquiry, but exiling them would be impossible.  Veetor and Reeger could choose to leave the fleet in protest, which would be an awesome gesture in itself, but thats about as far as it could go.

Would have been cool it it had gone that way, I'd have loved to have Reeger as a party member.

[pacer90]

Never. The renegade speech is too damn good.

[CmdrFenix83]

hawat333 wrote...

Once. Then I stood by Legion (sorry, droolers, but even if it's only a machine, it was right in that matter), so I could get her killed.
And there were two times where I told the truth, even if Tali went nuts.
I don't exactly see why it is a renegade option in the game. This whole incident should have been a sign 'not to mess with AI again, especially not in the middle of the Flotilla'. But noo-noo, being just and telling the truth was the great evil choice. Muhahahaha.

Please clarify how it's "right" to go around behind the back of a team member and steal information from them?  Unless you brought Legion to that mission, they had zero knowledge of the events on the Alarei.  Legion literally was caught spying on Tali.  I still think it's retarded that there was no option to let Tali shoot him as a spy.

[cachx]

I did the first time.



Because I thought that being truthful and handing the evidence was the "paragon" thing to do.

[Landline]

I got her exiled on my first and 'canon' runs.



Honestly, I actually kinda prefer that way. On my first run it actually made me pause and think as the paragade choices weren't available.



I don't feel bad about it since my Shep will never turn his back on her.