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[KotOREffecT]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I have already presented my points which no one could refute and I will not repeat myself. Continue to ignore them if you wish but the HH is here to stay and the Mako is gone.

Suck on it.

[CTM1]

KotOREffecT wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Lots of nostalgia influencing opinions here. I seem to recall how when ME1 was released it was viciously bashed for not being a 'true RPG' like KOTOR, only having 1 hub world, poor gameplay, cookie cutter planets, horrible Mako etc. Now ME1 is the pinnicle of RPGs and the Mako is the 'best vehicle EVAR!' while ME2 is the mainstream shooter game. When ME3 is released I expect ME2 to ascend to RPG Godhood.

Dude I freakin know! Like "oh meh godz, teh Mako is teh bestest, like farealz"....... ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png

But a month ago it was "Damn that bloody mako and its damn controls! It wants to go one way, then the other when I go to turn, and mountain climbing around these boring uncharted worlds suck!"

Now all of a sudden its Mako and Uncharted Worlds loving holiday, and everyone is getting free Mako cupcakes!

There's an easy answer to this. The Hammerhead has given people an opportunity to start talking about it again. That's just how people are. Opinions stay submerged until an avenue is given for them to be expressed. Just because no one is talking, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If general opinion is one thing, the other side is likely to stay quiet, or talk about something else. It's possible there have always been plenty of people around here who loved the Mako - you just didn't pay as much attention to it, or it wasn't as visibly expressed, for a variety of reasons. To name just a couple:

People now have something to compare the Mako to. Someone who railed against the Mako before the Hammerhead might now have some grudging respect for it, and lighten their outlook. In other words, some people might have changed their original opinion.

Also, there might have been a considerable number of people that liked the Mako who weren't members of the forums the first time around. I know I happen to be one of them. My opinions on the Mako have never wavered. If I had been here at the time forum's general opinion was that the Mako sucked, I would have been there defending it. The Mako might have its problems, but in the end it was still a fun game mechanic to me. And I was happy in how firmly entrenched it was in the game's plot and overall game design; it was enough on its own to validate it in a game I already enjoyed for other reasons.

So there you have it.

Modifié par CTM1, 25 mars 2010 - 01:36 .

[LPPrince]

Sorry, but I enjoyed the Mako FAR more than the Hammerhead.



I have to agree with TAO and Mystranna here.

[Onyx Jaguar]

KotOREffecT wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I have already presented my points which no one could refute and I will not repeat myself. Continue to ignore them if you wish but the HH is here to stay and the Mako is gone.

Suck on it.

The Hammerhead may not be balanced right but its fast and easy to manuver.  Just because the Mako has a movable turret (which the Hammerhead should have) and can climb mountains (the hell...) doesn't make it a prefereable atlernative.

[TheTrooper1138]

CTM1 wrote...
There's an easy answer to this. The Hammerhead has given people an opportunity to start talking about it again. That's just how people are. Opinions stay submerged until an avenue is given for them to be expressed. Just because no one is talking, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If general opinion is one thing, the other side is likely to stay quiet, or talk about something else. It's possible there have always been plenty of people around here who loved the Mako - you just didn't pay as much attention to it, or it wasn't as visibly expressed, for a variety of reasons. To name just a couple:

People now have something to compare the Mako to. Someone who railed against the Mako before the Hammerhead might now have some grudging respect for it, and lighten their outlook. In other words, some people might have changed their original opinion.

Also, there might have been a considerable number of people that liked the Mako who weren't members of the forums the first time around. I know I happen to be one of them. My opinions on the Mako have never wavered. If I had been here at the time forum's general opinion was that the Mako sucked, I would have been there defending it. The Mako might have its problems, but in the end it was still a fun game mechanic to me. And I was happy in how firmly entrenched it was in the game's plot and overall game design; it was enough on its own to validate it in a game I already enjoyed for other reasons.

So there you have it.

This.

Skilled Seeker wrote...

blabla

what "arguments"? All your "arguments" weren't real arguments and have been disproven anyways.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
The Hammerhead may not be balanced right but its fast and easy to manuver.  Just because the Mako has a movable turret (which the Hammerhead should have) and can climb mountains (the hell...) doesn't make it a prefereable atlernative.

No, the better controlls, better weapons, better hull and shields, better physics engine (not perfect, but better than the HH's!!), the ability to save while driving it, the ability to leave it and go on foot... make it by far the better choice. HH sucks, Mako rules, end of story. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

mako did not have better physics, it was almost like ragdoll applied to an RC car

[Dave of Canada]

Hammerhead on large scale planets like in ME1, with destroyable environments and no "lock-on" feature would be amazing.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also the only redeemable part about the Mako is how it controls on linear levels like Noveria and Ilos the same kind of levels in the Firewalker pack with the exception that the Hammerhead is much faster and easier to control.



The Firewalker pack is more of a demo than anything, I'll fully judge the Hammerhead if we ever get a full level to explore. Right now my complaints are the regen health and the missile barrage.

[TheTrooper1138]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

mako did not have better physics, it was almost like ragdoll applied to an RC car

it was still better than the non-existent physics of the HH...

[Onyx Jaguar]

O_o

...


<_<

[Dave of Canada]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

mako did not have better physics, it was almost like ragdoll applied to an RC car

it was still better than the non-existent physics of the HH...

I had more fun bouncing around in the HH than going up a 90 degree slope.

[Galt77]

For a free bit of content, I enjoyed it. I like how they just exposed you to 5 different ways that the hammerhead could be of use, the platform fire level, the ice level race to not die, a couple of combat levels and a final level that just simply ended. I was expecting some type of on-foot combat climax and instead it was like bloop, over. Still for the rock-solid price of free I endorse it.

[Blunt 7rauma]

 I would prefer to pick up minerals with the hammerhead than scan planets. It is so boring to just scroll across the planets and probe the hell out of them. I think it was Yahtzee who said that the mako at least gave the game a feeling of depth, like you were actually exploring uncharted planets.  Give me a few vicious thresher maws to shoot at!

Edit:
I had a thought about exploration and resource gathering. Using the hammerhead/mako/land based vehicle, it would be cool to see some assaults on pirate or slaver mining facilities with huge resource rewards at the end. Perhaps for paragon/renegade points, protect or destroy specific civilian structures or civilians in the process of obliterating the pirate forces. Something like this could make resource gathering an engaging experience, not a mindless chore.

Modifié par Blunt 7rauma, 25 mars 2010 - 04:11 .

[Skilled Seeker]

None of my arguments were disproven. Go back and read the conversation I had with TAO before you sprout your BS trooper.

[77boy84]

After having to use the mako on both the 360 and the PC, and having to use the Hammerhead on the PC, I honestly have to wonder...



How can ANYONE prefer the mako?

I mean, maybe you'd have a point if you only argued based on how much HP the thing has, but I don't remember the mako ever being that durable.

[gloowacz]

77boy84 wrote...

After having to use the mako on both the 360 and the PC, and having to use the Hammerhead on the PC, I honestly have to wonder...

How can ANYONE prefer the mako?
I mean, maybe you'd have a point if you only argued based on how much HP the thing has, but I don't remember the mako ever being that durable.

this.

Hammerhead has only 2 flaws:
1) bit to low hp and no visual hp indicator
2) missiles should lock on currently 'selected' enemy, rather then closest one

BTW, "no ram damage" FALSE - you can kill Colossus with two ram attacks if you know how to do it (jump on it from above, and use boosters)

"no rotating turret flaw" - o_0 if it had rotating turret, then controlling it would be mess. Hammerhead can strafe anyway so what's the point?


Missions with Hammerhead have 3 flaws:
1) Melting in lava or acid is kinda stupid, it's a hover tank so it does not come into contact with surface
2) No saves during missions
3) Not enough enemies (ones that are supposed to have them). Felt kinda empty.

"too short" - just as long as any other side-mission.
"boring" - ... ok, i'm lost. 10 minutes of rolling through empty mountains was more exciting?

Modifié par gloowacz, 25 mars 2010 - 12:29 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

The Hammerhead is also much faster than the mako.



Think of it as the Sonic the Hedgehog dilemma

[Raphael diSanto]

CTM1 wrote...

KotOREffecT wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Lots of nostalgia influencing opinions here. I seem to recall how when ME1 was released it was viciously bashed for not being a 'true RPG' like KOTOR, only having 1 hub world, poor gameplay, cookie cutter planets, horrible Mako etc. Now ME1 is the pinnicle of RPGs and the Mako is the 'best vehicle EVAR!' while ME2 is the mainstream shooter game. When ME3 is released I expect ME2 to ascend to RPG Godhood.

Dude I freakin know! Like "oh meh godz, teh Mako is teh bestest, like farealz"....... ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png

But a month ago it was "Damn that bloody mako and its damn controls! It wants to go one way, then the other when I go to turn, and mountain climbing around these boring uncharted worlds suck!"

Now all of a sudden its Mako and Uncharted Worlds loving holiday, and everyone is getting free Mako cupcakes!

There's an easy answer to this. The Hammerhead has given people an opportunity to start talking about it again. That's just how people are. Opinions stay submerged until an avenue is given for them to be expressed. Just because no one is talking, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If general opinion is one thing, the other side is likely to stay quiet, or talk about something else. It's possible there have always been plenty of people around here who loved the Mako - you just didn't pay as much attention to it, or it wasn't as visibly expressed, for a variety of reasons. To name just a couple:

People now have something to compare the Mako to. Someone who railed against the Mako before the Hammerhead might now have some grudging respect for it, and lighten their outlook. In other words, some people might have changed their original opinion.

Also, there might have been a considerable number of people that liked the Mako who weren't members of the forums the first time around. I know I happen to be one of them. My opinions on the Mako have never wavered. If I had been here at the time forum's general opinion was that the Mako sucked, I would have been there defending it. The Mako might have its problems, but in the end it was still a fun game mechanic to me. And I was happy in how firmly entrenched it was in the game's plot and overall game design; it was enough on its own to validate it in a game I already enjoyed for other reasons.

So there you have it.

Yeah. I never got into the ME universe until ME2, so I wasn't around back when everyone was bashing the Mako the first time around.

I love the little beast. Still do. I've never had any of the issues with it that people seem to describe. Guess I just know how to drive it.

I like the Hammerhead too, but for different reasons. It's faster, it moves like it's on ice and it has cool red/blue/green animations on the engines.

[OverlordNexas]

The hammerhead definitely had some problems with level design, and combat, but it was a joy to control. Tweak the damage and armor, add a secondary fire weapon, and add some variety to the missions, and Bioware will be on to something.



On the other hand the Mako was aggressively terrible. Poor controls. Poor physics. Crappy terrain. And boring shooting. When I saw it stuck on the Normandy crash sight I was like "HaHaa! Leave that thing there."



Overall I think there would have to be less changes to make Hammerhead fun than there would be to make the Mako fun.

[TheTrooper1138]

Blunt 7rauma wrote...

 I would prefer to pick up minerals with the hammerhead than scan planets. It is so boring to just scroll across the planets and probe the hell out of them. I think it was Yahtzee who said that the mako at least gave the game a feeling of depth, like you were actually exploring uncharted planets.  Give me a few vicious thresher maws to shoot at!

I honestly prefer planet scanning to the HH... it's boring as hell, but at least it's not quite as immersion breaking as this arcade shooting gallery podracer...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

None of my arguments were disproven. Go back and read the conversation I had with TAO before you sprout your BS trooper.

no, you didn't even have real arguments...

[Skilled Seeker]

Keep being the rebel and ignoring the facts. It makes you cool.

[Habelo]

Lol wtf. Scanning funnier then the HH? Stop ****ing trolling my thread. I wanted this to be one of those rare constructive threads

[gloowacz]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
I honestly prefer planet scanning to the HH... it's boring as hell, but at least it's not quite as immersion breaking as this arcade shooting gallery podracer...

your taste - not my business. It's strange tho. Scanning was little less boring than another 10min stroll on a rocky wasteland.

[Skilled Seeker]

I have been trying to banish him but he keeps coming back for more.We need some troll spray.

[NKKKK]

I'm a RETRO GAMER, I WANT THE MAKO BACK BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH