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[HaloKT]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sounds like you didn't harden him...try that the next time you play (its tied to his personal quest) I always harden him so I don't get when people say hes weak and whiny.  I don't see it cause well he isn't in my play throughs. It doesn't make him an ****, just makes him more confidant and ready to accept his responsibilities better and he's less willing to be pushed around.

Well, I can live with him being sad really. The only person that has ever openly accepted him has been killed off by Loghain along with all the guys that were his replacement family. You just have to grant him being a slight bit bitter about it. I'd probably have less respect for him if he'd just shrug it off. He's just terribad at making decisions... which is kind of bad for a king. He's not as airheaded as Cailan though, so I guess you do have a point heh...
Anyway, how would I do this hardening him stuff? Tell him to grow a quad in every conversation? Or just tell him that people are selfish after meeting Goldanna (since you mentioned his personal quest)? I usually just aim for the "I understand" and "I'm sorry for what happened" answers, since he really deserves to have a family... poor bloke

[SurelyForth]

HaloKT wrote...



Anyway, how would I do this hardening him stuff? Tell him to grow a quad in every conversation? Or just tell him that people are selfish after meeting Goldanna (since you mentioned his personal quest)? I usually just aim for the "I understand" and "I'm sorry for what happened" answers, since he really deserves to have a family... poor bloke

Yeah, tell him that people are only looking out for themselves and then confirm it in a follow-up conversation. It sounds awful, but it does him a world of good.

[sylvanaerie]

HaloKT wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sounds like you didn't harden him...try that the next time you play (its tied to his personal quest) I always harden him so I don't get when people say hes weak and whiny.  I don't see it cause well he isn't in my play throughs. It doesn't make him an ****, just makes him more confidant and ready to accept his responsibilities better and he's less willing to be pushed around.

Well, I can live with him being sad really. The only person that has ever openly accepted him has been killed off by Loghain along with all the guys that were his replacement family. You just have to grant him being a slight bit bitter about it. I'd probably have less respect for him if he'd just shrug it off. He's just terribad at making decisions... which is kind of bad for a king. He's not as airheaded as Cailan though, so I guess you do have a point heh...
Anyway, how would I do this hardening him stuff? Tell him to grow a quad in every conversation? Or just tell him that people are selfish after meeting Goldanna (since you mentioned his personal quest)? I usually just aim for the "I understand" and "I'm sorry for what happened" answers, since he really deserves to have a family... poor bloke

yes you have to choose the 'everyone is out for themselves' option when you talk to him after meeting the shrew. Then later he says "i've been thinking..." you have the opportunity to turn him there.  ANY option but "NO I didn't mean it that way" (I think the line is something like that) will turn him.  I usually tell him "its about time".  and thats it, hes hardened.  Much better to be around then and he will make a fine king alone, with you or with Anora.  (though I don't like marrying him to Anora even if he goes along with it for politics)

I know its a wretched line, makes it seem like you're kicking a lost stray but its for his own good.  Boy needs to grow a pair and accept that if he wants to be happy he has to GRAB for his happiness, not let everyone shove him around.

[HaloKT]

Alright... I had the urge to start a new HNF to seduce Iona anyway, so I'll probably go for the hardening with her now. And I might even manage to romance Alistair instead of Leli this time...

[Addai]

Also, you won't get any approval loss for the hardening line. It really is the tough-love thing to do. It's Goldanna who's kicking him in the gut, after all, not your PC. I usually follow up with the "don't let me influence you" dialogue line in the post-Goldanna camp conversation, which is a bit softer and still doesn't turn off the hardening flag. Only "No, I didn't mean it like that! Don't do that!" will reverse the hardening.

[nranola]

Nhadalie wrote...

Personally, I like making Alistair king alone in a lot of circumstances. The whole announcing that you're going to marry him, and rule by his side always seemed awkward to me. Yes, it gives you the ability to make the choice. But I always thought the situation would go so much better if Alistair actually asked your HNF to marry him when he's hardened, and right after you make him king. Because declaring it without giving him a choice in the matter is just awkward.

I've had Anora rule on all two of my playthroughs so far. Would have opted for marriage with my HNF but I couldn't justify it with the way I was playing my character, and that too; declaring to be his queen right then and there was just too awkward. It's like you were pining for the throne all along even if you just wanted to marry the slob. </3

KristelW wrote...

SUCH a shame he shoots you down.  I wanted Duncan the moment I saw him, was VERY bummed when I found out he wasn't a romance option.

And he dies later on, too. Double the heartbreak. ;3;

Modifié par nranola, 25 mars 2010 - 04:24 .

[Addai]

nranola wrote...

I've had Anora rule on all two of my playthroughs so far. Would have opted for marriage with my HNF but I couldn't justify it with the way I was playing my character, and that too; declaring to be his queen right then and there was just too awkward. It's like you were pining for the throne all along even if you just wanted to marry the slob. </3

Wish we could say that you talked about it with him off-screen before springing that on him, but his surprised reaction to your imperious declaration pretty much rules that out.  I justified it on my HNF that she didn't make her final decision on what to do until right then at the Landsmeet.  You do get to tell him afterward, when he asks you if you're sure about it, "Sure I want to marry you?  Yes."  That makes it clear that what you're doing is marrying him, not just trying to be queen.

I wouldn't inflict Anora on my worst enemy, though, let alone Alistair.  I did that on my Dalish elf run where she remained his mistress, but in that case he had someone who loved him and could deal with the shrew as a business partner.

[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

I wish we could proposition the lady of the forest. All though the splinters would be awful.

At Eamon Estate before final conflict:

PC: My lady I wish to enlighten you to my ideals...
Lady of the forest: We have more engaging situations at present, the blight it upon us...
PC:My lady, I die tomorrow please dont make me face it with blue sphere's...
Lady of The Forest: Verywell, I will meet you in the garden...bring your sheep's skin.
XD

Modifié par TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain, 25 mars 2010 - 04:54 .

[Sarah1281]

Well, I can live with him being sad really. The only person that has ever openly accepted him has been killed off by Loghain along with all the guys that were his replacement family.

Well, yeah, but all of the Origins end horribly, too, and as a HN you even lost every single person you'd see on a regular basis either through Howe's treachery or at Ostagar so it kind of makes it harder to respect his chronic inability to put it behind him for the sake of the mission.

[DWSmiley]

My HNF got things to work out very well for everyone except herself. Anora quickly started respecting a hardened Alistair and they ruled the kingdom superbly together. Loghain earned redemption by sacrificing himself in the final battle. That made Anora deeply appreciative and got Alistair to stop hating me for sparing Loghain at the Landsmeet. But alas, our romance could not be revived. I didn't want to hang around Denerim pining for lost love or go back to Highever, so I went travelling with Zevran. His irrepressible good spirits hopefully picked me up and maybe we eventually took over Antiva togther!

p.s. I think my next Warden is going to let Alistar make the ultimate sacrifice. Not that I'm resentful or anything...

Modifié par DWSmiley, 25 mars 2010 - 06:02 .

[HaloKT]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well, I can live with him being sad really. The only person that has ever openly accepted him has been killed off by Loghain along with all the guys that were his replacement family.

Well, yeah, but all of the Origins end horribly, too, and as a HN you even lost every single person you'd see on a regular basis either through Howe's treachery or at Ostagar so it kind of makes it harder to respect his chronic inability to put it behind him for the sake of the mission.

Not all of the origins have a horrible ending.
- The DEF origin is sad for you, because you have to leave your clan. But the clan has "only" lost 2 of their kin, of which one might return at some point in the future (sadly the clan you visit later is another). So it's hardly horrible.
- The DCF origin is in fact even a step up from what you had before. Your sister is (probably?) taken care of and is rid of her pimp. You don't have to dwell in Dust City any longer. Since you didn't have a caste to lose to begin with, being a topsider isn't really that horrible. It's arguable, but I think for a casteless Dwarf, getting to be a Warden is leaps and bounds ahead of staying in Orzammar.
- Mage origin isn't really horrible either. At least it isn't for me. You do still have close ties to the Circle. You don't really lose anything or anyone apart from having to leave that dreaded tower. Except Jowan of course, but there has not been one moment where I felt close to him anyway. So I guess Mage origin is more of a  "lose one thing and gain another" ending. Neither happy nor sad.
- The City Elf origin.. well, it does make me cry. Shianni's fate really touches me. But again, it's not horrible as in "everyone dies" horrible.

So it's really just the DNF and HNF origins that turn out to be extremely horrible. And even then, Alistair basically has lost his family twice. First being sent off to the Chantry because he was a bastard child, then losing his replacement family to Loghain's treachery. And he has a very hard time getting to trust people, so because he trusts you, there will be a lot of emotions that haven't been processed yet.
I've said it before, you really have to be a mother for Alistair. I'm not the type for that. But his story isn't less horrible just because 2/6 PC origins are pretty scarring themselves. In fact, he even apologises for his "whining" when you bring up that your whole family has been murdered by Howe...
So as much as I lack respect for him, I do have to cut him some slack

[Sarah1281]

Hah. If you speak to Dairren about your areas of interest, mentioning sex, he'll be unsurprised and say, yes, I've heard the RUMORS, and if you mention you like making poisons he says, that's odd, but I have heard the RUMORS, and it makes me wonder what in the name of the Maker the Human Noble has been doing up to the point where you take control of her.

I don't know but I'm sure that it was awesome.