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[OfficerOrgasm]

Is there ANY to do this? I want my character to become King-Consort so bad, but I'll be damned if I HAVE to lose Alister over it.

Anyone who's done this?

(I'm just basing it what I read of the wiki, it might be very easy, it just sounded like I'd have to cut one of my balls off to keep the other. )

[OfficerOrgasm]

Burmp.

[Narmowen S]

Yep, there is. Have Alistair kill Loghain. Then Anora will marry you, and you still keep Alistair.

[OfficerOrgasm]

The wikia said something about if Alister is hardened when he slays him, then it won't work. Know if that's true or not?

[blademaster7]

The wiki is correct. If he's hardened an you let him kill Loghain then he'll take the throne. If you kill Loghain yourself then Anora will refuse to marry you.



Alistair needs to be un-hardened. Otherwise you'll need to recruit Loghain.

[OfficerOrgasm]

Is there any major dissablity to NOT having him hardened? Does he rage if you want to become King or anything?

[OfficerOrgasm]

OR, would it be possible to have Loghain killed, THEN go do his quest?

[SurelyForth]

OfficerOrgasm wrote...

OR, would it be possible to have Loghain killed, THEN go do his quest?

Yes! 

And if he's not hardened, he's perfectly ok with not being king,

[ejoslin]

Actually, that's the nicest thing you can do for him if not making him king.

Edit: Not hardening him, that is.

Modifié par ejoslin, 23 mars 2010 - 09:26 .

[TheBlackBaron]

If you still want him hardened, you can always just hold it off until after the Landsmeet.

There's no real reason to do so beyond role-playing and story, of course, but hey, it's a role-playing game.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 23 mars 2010 - 09:45 .

[Xandurpein]

ejoslin wrote...

Actually, that's the nicest thing you can do for him if not making him king.

Edit: Not hardening him, that is.

Indeed. Hardening him is basically teling him to toughen up and stand up for himself so he can be an effective King and not a just a nice guy. Telling him to stand up for his rights and then grab the crown ahead of him is not entirely nice.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 23 mars 2010 - 09:45 .

[OfficerOrgasm]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

If you still want him hardened, you can always just hold it off until after the Landsmeet.

There's no real reason to do so beyond role-playing and story, of course, but hey, it's a role-playing game.

Hmmm, well, from an RPG perspective, could just see it that since you don't go to Denerim till later on in the game, that Alister's problem wasn't a major one, and it could wait until the Landsmeet was finished. Kind basic but I don't see any problems with it  In fact it would seem weirder just jumping the ship that is Redcliff and finding his sister on the other side of the country

[TheBlackBaron]

OfficerOrgasm wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

If you still want him hardened, you can always just hold it off until after the Landsmeet.

There's no real reason to do so beyond role-playing and story, of course, but hey, it's a role-playing game.

Hmmm, well, from an RPG perspective, could just see it that since you don't go to Denerim till later on in the game, that Alister's problem wasn't a major one, and it could wait until the Landsmeet was finished. Kind basic but I don't see any problems with it  In fact it would seem weirder just jumping the ship that is Redcliff and finding his sister on the other side of the country

I meant that there's no reason to harden him once the Landsmeet is over, since it won't have any effect on gameplay or the plot going forward from that point.

There's probably a whole multitude of reasons once could come up with for holding it off if you sit and think long enough.

[Cazlee]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
There's probably a whole multitude of reasons once could come up with for holding it off if you sit and think long enough.

Actually, yeah. I know this thread is about keeping Alistair off the throne and all, but Goldana has a bunch of different lines if you take him there after he's crowned King.

[J-Reyno]

Alistair only leaves if you let Loghain live. Doesn't matter if he's hardened/unhardened, whether you take the throne or he, or if he hates you or loves you. What matters is that Loghain dies if you want to keep Alistair.

However, to take the throne you have to have Alistair kill Loghain. Essentially, that's all that needs to be done, the rest is roleplaying preference.

[OfficerOrgasm]

Cazlee wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...
There's probably a whole multitude of reasons once could come up with for holding it off if you sit and think long enough.

Actually, yeah. I know this thread is about keeping Alistair off the throne and all, but Goldana has a bunch of different lines if you take him there after he's crowned King.

I believe it will change the Epilogue in regards to Alister's ending. Call me crazy but I think we're gonna have the chance to bring our Warden into the next Dragon Age, so I'm trying to set the last 10% of this game up exactly how I want it

[SurelyForth]

OfficerOrgasm wrote...

Cazlee wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...
There's probably a whole multitude of reasons once could come up with for holding it off if you sit and think long enough.

Actually, yeah. I know this thread is about keeping Alistair off the throne and all, but Goldana has a bunch of different lines if you take him there after he's crowned King.

I believe it will change the Epilogue in regards to Alister's ending. Call me crazy but I think we're gonna have the chance to bring our Warden into the next Dragon Age, so I'm trying to set the last 10% of this game up exactly how I want it

It won't. If Alistair isn't king, he won't be in your epilogue unless you do the US and then it will be a standard US ending for him (which is pretty sad).

If he is king, there is a difference between the hardened and unhardened epilogues but nothing that has anything to do with Goldanna or when you do his quest.

[Nobody Important]

Just so you know if you are on the 360 version you can't be prince-consort and keep Alistair even if he is unhardened. It is by far the buggiest ending. The codex will say Alistair is King alone and Anora is in the dungeon. But Anora will be Queen and not recognize you are engaged. At the cornation its a complete nightmare. You won't be able to complete it. Alistair and Anora will be standing on each other and tons of other bugs. If you spare Loghain  there isn't a single bug. (Loghain has by far the best cameo in awakening anyway. He gives you a bunch of money and items.)

Modifié par Nobody Important, 24 mars 2010 - 03:26 .

[Sarah1281]

If you harden Alistair and tell him you're supporting Anora at the Landsmeet, does he still accept the throne when Eamon claims it's his?

[casedawgz]

I always feel like a butthole marrying Anora before the dust has even settled on Loghain's corpse, so generally if I'm going to marry her I leave Loghain alive.

[SurelyForth]

casedawgz wrote...

I always feel like a butthole marrying Anora before the dust has even settled on Loghain's corpse, so generally if I'm going to marry her I leave Loghain alive.

If it makes you feel better, you have at least 6 months between the Landsmeet and your wedding.

Justifications like this are strange to me. Do you hate Alistair? Would you be ok with getting married/engaged moments after executing/exiling your friend? As long as she's not marrying the man who chops off her father's head, Anora is fine with it because she just wants the throne.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 24 mars 2010 - 03:38 .

[casedawgz]

SurelyForth wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

I always feel like a butthole marrying Anora before the dust has even settled on Loghain's corpse, so generally if I'm going to marry her I leave Loghain alive.

If it makes you feel better, you have at least 6 months between the Landsmeet and your wedding.

Justifications like this are strange to me. Do you hate Alistair? Would you be ok with getting married/engaged moments after executing/exiling your friend? As long as she's not marrying the man who chops off her father's head, Anora is fine with it because she just wants the throne.

I like Alistair right up until that very moment. He handles it like a child. I've never executed him, but his inability to see the big picture is staggering.

[Ceridraen]

I never hardened him, & in one run through, I had my male human noble marry Anora. I just had Alistair kill Loghain - then there's no discussion. If you want him to marry her (and I did not), then you or another party member have to kill him. For me, it meant a long tank fight. It's so much easier when I can Mage-him, & he never gets to move, poor man. But that way makes me feel guilty. He's suddenly 'nice,' and I don't like executions. Killing outright, fine. But I killed the rotting old mage for that same reason.



However, as for conscripting Loghain, part of the time, Grey Wardens take everyone who can survive the joining, it seems. Part of the time, they seem to have some sense of honor and brotherhood. If you see them as a group of darkspawn killers, it makes sense to take anyone. And if that depends on your own vision of them (and it does - they were noble in my view) then Alistair is perfectly right. Why on earth would you trust someone with such vital tasks when he's already proven himself nuts?



I took it to be like the Guild quests. You either go with the son, who is ruthless & cynical, or the father, who has honor. It was the same choice for me. And I hate, with the fury of 10,000 suns, Loghain's snarky little clap. I don't care, at that point, why I'm killing him - he dies for that alone. So - honor, with a total intolerance for snarky claps. I wanted to slap his purple-bug-eyed face when he did that.

[OfficerOrgasm]

Nobody Important wrote...

Just so you know if you are on the 360 version you can't be prince-consort and keep Alistair even if he is unhardened. It is by far the buggiest ending. The codex will say Alistair is King alone and Anora is in the dungeon. But Anora will be Queen and not recognize you are engaged. At the cornation its a complete nightmare. You won't be able to complete it. Alistair and Anora will be standing on each other and tons of other bugs. If you spare Loghain  there isn't a single bug. (Loghain has by far the best cameo in awakening anyway. He gives you a bunch of money and items.)

Well then this is where I hope/know it won't happen to me, works every time

It's probably fixed by now anyways. At least that's what I tell myself each day I open my weary eyes