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[sylvanaerie]

Stoomkal wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Unfortuneately it seems "party banter" is the only conversation you really get to know the companions by. The new system is epic fail (at least for me) it felt like shallow "office party" talk where you are the new guy and don't know anyone.

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PERFECT description... you win cake!

In Velanna's defence... she actually gets alot less crazy - it is best to regard her as a deeply traumatised girl who simply needs a friend.

Her dialogue with Sigrun is nice, and she has the *only* romance in the game - with Nathaniel! It is kinda sweet, and almost a replay of the main PC and Morrigan...

Of course... boys are always more readily forgiving of nasty girls in skimpy clothes...

ooooo Cake...BACK off STEN!!

[Sarah1281]

I didn't recruit her and there was nothing about Dalish (either her or her people) in my epilogue

That probably doesn't mean it still doesn't happen. After all, Velanna still attacked everyone and word got out due to run-away bandit guy it's just that since you don't recruit her they assume you're not really interested in the outcome of her actions. Since you have to either kill her or convince her she's wrong about the humans, she'll stop attacking either way.

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I didn't recruit her and there was nothing about Dalish (either her or her people) in my epilogue

That probably doesn't mean it still doesn't happen. After all, Velanna still attacked everyone and word got out due to run-away bandit guy it's just that since you don't recruit her they assume you're not really interested in the outcome of her actions. Since you have to either kill her or convince her she's wrong about the humans, she'll stop attacking either way.

Yea but I DID go through the Silverite mines with her so by then she knew she had been played by the Darkspawn.  Its just I didn't bother making her a GW so I didn't get an epilogue slide for her (or the Dalish).  So if I didn't see one...it wasn't in my "reality"

[Merci357]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Unfortuneately it seems "party banter" is the only conversation you really get to know the companions by. The new system is epic fail (at least for me) it felt like shallow "office party" talk where you are the new guy and don't know anyone.

I'd happen to have Nathaniel and Velanna around for most of the game. Wasn't amazed by her at first (voice is... well, meh...), but hey, I'd taken anyone along at that point just to get rid of that drunk, belching, disgusting dwarf... and since I went into the Wending Woods first, I had to pick Velanna just to kick Oghren out.
However, after you've done her personal quest, she really calms down - and the party banter between her and Nathaniel is nice, seeing those two slowly falling in love.

[errant_knight]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I didn't recruit her and there was nothing about Dalish (either her or her people) in my epilogue

That probably doesn't mean it still doesn't happen. After all, Velanna still attacked everyone and word got out due to run-away bandit guy it's just that since you don't recruit her they assume you're not really interested in the outcome of her actions. Since you have to either kill her or convince her she's wrong about the humans, she'll stop attacking either way.

Yea but I DID go through the Silverite mines with her so by then she knew she had been played by the Darkspawn.  Its just I didn't bother making her a GW so I didn't get an epilogue slide for her (or the Dalish).  So if I didn't see one...it wasn't in my "reality"

This is a problem. She gives me no reason to allow her to become a grey warden before the option comes up. I didn't realize that she'd just disappear and I wouldn't be able to deal with her further. That's a problem, too. One of the things I don't find enjoyable about Awakening, is that it pretends to give you choices, but forces you down one road or another with either no choice, or choices that come too early to make them.

I want to evacuate as many people as possible to the keep as soon as the traders are there and the walls are strengthened. I want to deal with Venlanna without making a psychopath into a grey warden (at that point, I have no hint that she'll become anything else), I want to go directly back to the keep and deal with the brood mother after the battle (the hell with the architect) but I'm not allowed to. Once that happens, with me cursing the whole way, I want to go back to the keep and at least tell them where I've been and that I didn't abandon them, but nooooooo.....

Basically, you're forced to make bad decisions to create no-win choices, when other solutions clearly exist.

[Sarah1281]

I want to evacuate as many people as possible to the keep as soon as the traders are there and the walls are strengthened. I want to deal with Venlanna without making a psychopath into a grey warden (at that point, I have no hint that she'll become anything else), I want to go directly back to the keep and deal with the brood mother after the battle (the hell with the architect) but I'm not allowed to. Once that happens, with me cursing the whole way, I want to go back to the keep and at least tell them where I've been and that I didn't abandon them, but nooooooo.....

Yeah, if you can send a messenger in the first game during the invasion of Denerim that the walls were breached but you took care of it (did they ever even receive the message?) even though they had no idea the walls were even in danger, why can't a few soldiers run back to the Keep? Sure the Keep's under attack, but so was Denerim.



And you can take Velanna with you without makng her a GW: Just TELL her you will and then don't tell Varel. Of course, that's probably more game mechanics than anything else.

[Ceridraen]

Maybe none of us are seeing Velanna's nice side, because her story is bugged, so she never softens up. When I had her in my warrior's party, I never saw more than 'you're pretty - thanks' type talk, which didn't qualify as much romantic tension. I kept feeling like the Mom next door was hitting on a younger man. She reminds me of the hard blond in Desperate Housewives. That's it. God.

[errant_knight]

Ceridraen wrote...

Maybe none of us are seeing Velanna's nice side, because her story is bugged, so she never softens up. When I had her in my warrior's party, I never saw more than 'you're pretty - thanks' type talk, which didn't qualify as much romantic tension. I kept feeling like the Mom next door was hitting on a younger man. She reminds me of the hard blond in Desperate Housewives. That's it. God.

I think most of her character stuff happens after the Silverite Mine, which is too late to do any good in terms of initial decisions about her. I fell like I'm being asked to make someone who's actually worse than Loghain a grey warden. Now that I know it causes problems to let her leave, I might have to just kill her--unless I can find some missed dialogue that gives my PC some reason to accept her.

[Stoomkal]

How about this, errant_knight, - she eventually has a mini-romance with Nathaniel?



It is kinda sweet... she does eventually soften, though. The bug is only in her quest.

[Ceridraen]

errant_knight wrote...



I think most of her character stuff happens after the Silverite Mine, which is too late to do any good in terms of initial decisions about her. I fell like I'm being asked to make someone who's actually worse than Loghain a grey warden. Now that I know it causes problems to let her leave, I might have to just kill her--unless I can find some missed dialogue that gives my PC some reason to accept her.

Her rampage causes her own people a lot of grief - I hated most of all that she blamed the humans, learns IMMEDIATELY that she was wrong, then never apologizes.  When my guy gave her a chance, *I* lost approval for asking her to fess up.  I thought, 'Listen you wench! You just lost 75 approval from ME. /bump!'   Then Nathaniel, or Justice, mentions it, & she's smug about not feeling guilty. As I recall, she says she feels, 'Warm & fuzzy.'  If she changes later, I really don't care.

There's a great book about writing screenplays - Save the Cat.  Morrigan, for instance, wins you over with humor and intelligence right away. So later, when she does stuff like try to get you to side against the City Elves, you're already in a place to believe good of her, & so, can overlook that. (and slap her with stuff like, 'how would YOU like to be a golem???')  But Velanna doesn't have that.  There's nothing endearing - (unless you like the skimpy clothes that my mage had from L4, & don't consider her an older woman trying desperately to look young) - so doing something stupid like killing everyone, then acting smug, really doesn't help much.  And she LOOKS sour, whereas Morrigan looked bright & cute, especially when antagonizing Alistair.   

She also comes with intensely annoying fire spells - the sort I remember mages using to wipe me out, when they were *on my side* when I was stupid enough to think, in the final onslaught battle in Origins, "OH, I've never used the poor mages! I should use them now or they'll feel left out." /mages cast inferno on my party & we all die.  At least, they were crazy eccentrics. She's just dull and crabby.  She's not a full fledged witch type, as Morrigan was. I love them.  She just seems like a woman in her 40's who's testy with her kids, because she has to take them to dance class, & she's planning a rendezvous with her tennis pro.  Ugh. She must remind me of some woman I knew once, and have forgotten. Same face, probably. Or voice... shudder.

[errant_knight]

Ceridraen wrote...

errant_knight wrote...



I think most of her character stuff happens after the Silverite Mine, which is too late to do any good in terms of initial decisions about her. I fell like I'm being asked to make someone who's actually worse than Loghain a grey warden. Now that I know it causes problems to let her leave, I might have to just kill her--unless I can find some missed dialogue that gives my PC some reason to accept her.

Her rampage causes her own people a lot of grief - I hated most of all that she blamed the humans, learns IMMEDIATELY that she was wrong, then never apologizes.  When my guy gave her a chance, *I* lost approval for asking her to fess up.  I thought, 'Listen you wench! You just lost 75 approval from ME. /bump!'   Then Nathaniel, or Justice, mentions it, & she's smug about not feeling guilty. As I recall, she says she feels, 'Warm & fuzzy.'  If she changes later, I really don't care.

There's a great book about writing screenplays - Save the Cat.  Morrigan, for instance, wins you over with humor and intelligence right away. So later, when she does stuff like try to get you to side against the City Elves, you're already in a place to believe good of her, & so, can overlook that. (and slap her with stuff like, 'how would YOU like to be a golem???')  But Velanna doesn't have that.  There's nothing endearing - (unless you like the skimpy clothes that my mage had from L4, & don't consider her an older woman trying desperately to look young) - so doing something stupid like killing everyone, then acting smug, really doesn't help much.  And she LOOKS sour, whereas Morrigan looked bright & cute, especially when antagonizing Alistair.   

She also comes with intensely annoying fire spells - the sort I remember mages using to wipe me out, when they were *on my side* when I was stupid enough to think, in the final onslaught battle in Origins, "OH, I've never used the poor mages! I should use them now or they'll feel left out." /mages cast inferno on my party & we all die.  At least, they were crazy eccentrics. She's just dull and crabby.  She's not a full fledged witch type, as Morrigan was. I love them.  She just seems like a woman in her 40's who's testy with her kids, because she has to take them to dance class, & she's planning a rendezvous with her tennis pro.  Ugh. She must remind me of some woman I knew once, and have forgotten. Same face, probably. Or voice... shudder.

Good lord! So...don't like her, huh? Um, just so you know? Forties isn't considered that old. Not by some of us anyway. Some folks even wear short skirts without being all that desperate. Or having bad legs. Heh.

I actually love her magic setup. She was awesome in the mines and fried a necromancer and his flunkies brilliantly.

I don't like it that she never seems to take responsibility for her actions or acknowledge that they were wrong, though. And I'm not a big fan of racists in general. I did regret not being able to keep her on a practical level. If I roll a more pragmatic PC, maybe another time.

Stoomkal wrote...

How about this, errant_knight, - she eventually has a mini-romance with Nathaniel?

It is kinda sweet... she does eventually soften, though. The bug is only in her quest.

Well..... I dunno, can you let mass murderers off because you think they might be a good match for your buddy? Someone mentioned that they develop a romance, but I didn't believe it based on what I'd heard. I guess Nathaniel likes to live more dangerously than I thought! Dang, I guess I'll have to find an excuse not to kill her.  She better mind her P's and Q's, though....

It'll have to wait a bit though. I missed being able to talk to my companions, so I went back and started another Origins playthrough.  Going back to Origins from Awakening really shows how dark the tone is in Awakening....

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 mars 2010 - 06:18 .

[Stoomkal]

I think this is just personal dislike,errant_knight...



Going by this: Morrigan is a sociopath and Zevran is also a mass murderer - only he does it in *cold* blood rather than *hot emotional rage*...



Girls loved sly Zevran... let the boys like skimpy Velanna ;-)

[sylvanaerie]

Stoomkal wrote...

I think this is just personal dislike,errant_knight...

Going by this: Morrigan is a sociopath and Zevran is also a mass murderer - only he does it in *cold* blood rather than *hot emotional rage*...

Girls loved sly Zevran... let the boys like skimpy Velanna ;-)

Except there is a HUGE difference between Zevran and Velanna (If you want to use that as an example).  Velanna wasn't raised by killers from the age of 7 and taught her only value was in killing others.  If he failed, he DIED.  She hates humans I get that...ummm cause....her people got driven out of the Dales 700 years ago?  Cause they took her sister..oh wait THEY didn't take her sister, the Architect did...then played her.  And even when she finds out she gets all "warm and fuzzy" inside thinking of all the people she killed.  Zevran while he admits he enjoys killing didn't strike me as someone who got the warm and fuzzies when he offed someone.  He struck me as having adopted a practical attitude  of "Death happens" to protect that core of "humanity" inside him.  And for the record I am NOT a Zevran fan girl who has romanced him six ways to Sunday, this is all information you get from him if you pursue a friendship.  You probably get tons more if you romance him so I only have friends reference to go by.  Zevran will tell you he NEVER intentionally killed an innocent and when he DID kill an "innocent" it broke him so bad he wanted to die (hence why he took the contract on the GW anyway).  Now granted Rinna wasn't technically an innocent because she was an assassin too but he felt guilty enough for letting Talisan kill her for something she didn't do that he didn't want to live anymore.  That he was capable of loving someone so much that he wanted to die for letting her come to harm shows he has more to him than just cold blooded killer. Considering Velanna was raised by her people who while a tad xenophobic are good to their own, so she has no abusive childhood to blame on her situation I see no basis for comparison there. In her backstory was she kidnapped and raped by humans as a young woman?  Taken by human bandits and forced into slavery like Lanaya? But look at Lanaya, she's sweet, mature responsible and a good person despite what happened to her when she was young. Velanna is just a freaking psychopath who won't own up to her mistakes for no discernable reason that I could find.  Even Zathrian had more reason to hate humans than Velanna did.  She just seemed to hate humans cause she could, not for any reason.

Morrigan isn't a sociopath.  She's a pragmatist (as much as her limited world view allows her) again we go back to who raised her.  Most of her disapprovals have to do with "WHY on earth are we bothering with this crap?  We have darkspawn to deal with" not "I hate peasants fry them all".  Plus Morrigan never caught me in a fireball like Velanna would keep doing in the mines.  I wish there was a "Slap Velanna" mod.  Maybe then I could stomach having her with me.  Plus Morrigan gets points for Claudia Black voice acting.  Velanna's horrid shrill voice made me want to shove her face into the wall. I hate it worse than Isolde's.

And yea I agree with Errant Knight if I had had an option to just take her in for justice or kill her instead of saying "you aren't worthy of being a GW" I would have done that.  The game forces you to 1) set her free 2) make her a GW by that point.

Actually I think its more the new conversation system that causes the breakdown here.  We get to know Morrigan and Zevran intimately in Origins but with Velanna we have to run hither and yon and find "Conversation triggers" to get to know her better.  (Not that I would that voice kills it for me every time) but still...New dialogue system...Epic Fail.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 25 mars 2010 - 12:52 .

[Kohaku]

roundcrow wrote...

Arguable. Have you played FFXIII yet?

Exactly. FFXIII has so many annoying characters that you want to just punch them in the face. Now there's an example of terrible Party Members.

Modifié par Kerridan Kaiba, 25 mars 2010 - 01:30 .

[Sabriana]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Stoomkal wrote...

I think this is just personal dislike,errant_knight...

Going by this: Morrigan is a sociopath and Zevran is also a mass murderer - only he does it in *cold* blood rather than *hot emotional rage*...

Girls loved sly Zevran... let the boys like skimpy Velanna ;-)

Except there is a HUGE difference between Zevran and Velanna (If you want to use that as an example).  Velanna wasn't raised by killers from the age of 7 and taught her only value was in killing others.  If he failed, he DIED.  She hates humans I get that...ummm cause....her people got driven out of the Dales 700 years ago?  Cause they took her sister..oh wait THEY didn't take her sister, the Architect did...then played her.  And even when she finds out she gets all "warm and fuzzy" inside thinking of all the people she killed.  Zevran while he admits he enjoys killing didn't strike me as someone who got the warm and fuzzies when he offed someone.  He struck me as having adopted a practical attitude  of "Death happens" to protect that core of "humanity" inside him.  And for the record I am NOT a Zevran fan girl who has romanced him six ways to Sunday, this is all information you get from him if you pursue a friendship.  You probably get tons more if you romance him so I only have friends reference to go by.  Zevran will tell you he NEVER intentionally killed an innocent and when he DID kill an "innocent" it broke him so bad he wanted to die (hence why he took the contract on the GW anyway).  Now granted Rinna wasn't technically an innocent because she was an assassin too but he felt guilty enough for letting Talisan kill her for something she didn't do that he didn't want to live anymore.  That he was capable of loving someone so much that he wanted to die for letting her come to harm shows he has more to him than just cold blooded killer. Considering Velanna was raised by her people who while a tad xenophobic are good to their own, so she has no abusive childhood to blame on her situation I see no basis for comparison there. In her backstory was she kidnapped and raped by humans as a young woman?  Taken by human bandits and forced into slavery like Lanaya? But look at Lanaya, she's sweet, mature responsible and a good person despite what happened to her when she was young. Velanna is just a freaking psychopath who won't own up to her mistakes for no discernable reason that I could find.  Even Zathrian had more reason to hate humans than Velanna did.  She just seemed to hate humans cause she could, not for any reason.

Morrigan isn't a sociopath.  She's a pragmatist (as much as her limited world view allows her) again we go back to who raised her.  Most of her disapprovals have to do with "WHY on earth are we bothering with this crap?  We have darkspawn to deal with" not "I hate peasants fry them all".  Plus Morrigan never caught me in a fireball like Velanna would keep doing in the mines.  I wish there was a "Slap Velanna" mod.  Maybe then I could stomach having her with me.  Plus Morrigan gets points for Claudia Black voice acting.  Velanna's horrid shrill voice made me want to shove her face into the wall. I hate it worse than Isolde's.

And yea I agree with Errant Knight if I had had an option to just take her in for justice or kill her instead of saying "you aren't worthy of being a GW" I would have done that.  The game forces you to 1) set her free 2) make her a GW by that point.

Actually I think its more the new conversation system that causes the breakdown here.  We get to know Morrigan and Zevran intimately in Origins but with Velanna we have to run hither and yon and find "Conversation triggers" to get to know her better.  (Not that I would that voice kills it for me every time) but still...New dialogue system...Epic Fail.

I agree with everything you wrote. Heck, even Loghain comes of as more humane than Velanna, at least he has the decency to admit his failures and wrong-doings, and admit that he regrets them when asking to be allowed to strike the killing blow to the archdemon.

And yes, when romanced, Zevran shows even more of his humane side, and he is fully capable of loving the PC so much that she becomes his whole world - to the point of him breaking utterly and completely if the PC does the ultimate sacrifice. /Zevran fan-girl rant

[sylvanaerie]

Thanks Sabriana. I don't romance Zevran though I can see his appeal to those who do, even if hes just a friend he makes a wonderful companion and there is SO much more than just cold blooded killer in him. In fact when I get the "Rinna" conversation it always makes me tear up cause I know my PC has finally reached that core inside him, gotten him to open up finally. Even as a friend, he touches you in so many wonderful ways and no innuendo intended there. The PC is Zevran's savior at this point, you saved him not just from the Crows but from himself.

[Sabriana]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Thanks Sabriana. I don't romance Zevran though I can see his appeal to those who do, even if hes just a friend he makes a wonderful companion and there is SO much more than just cold blooded killer in him. In fact when I get the "Rinna" conversation it always makes me tear up cause I know my PC has finally reached that core inside him, gotten him to open up finally. Even as a friend, he touches you in so many wonderful ways and no innuendo intended there. The PC is Zevran's savior at this point, you saved him not just from the Crows but from himself.

Yes he is. All my PCs romanced him, they don't seem to be able to stay away from him.

I have one character who is currently romancing Morrigan (poor sod, he doesn't know what he's getting into) and has Zevran on a friend basis. I must agree with you again, yes, he's a very good friend as well. There is no comparison to Velanna. None whatsoever.

That's why I feel so bad about Awakening and the characters. Perhaps it would have been better to limit them even further, and have only 3 new characters (and Oghren). It just didn't feel the same as in Origin. The saddest part was that I was so happy to see Oghren, but by the end of Awakening I felt nothing for him, not even sad that he is the utterly broken anti-hero. Because my PC couldn't do anything, she couldn't try to help, heck, she couldn't even talk to him properly. I really dislike the new dialogue system, btw. A mix of both, fine. But clicking on stuff to get them to talk? Thingies over their heads? No. Just, no.

I know that Awakening is just an expansion. I don't even own it, I watched a few play-throughs and played on a friend's computer with a new warden (obviously). The new warden and the Oghren situation was a bit more tolerable, but she could never warm up to him, simply because there was no way to get close enough to him to even offer help, advise, or just an open ear. However, HotU and MoTB (I know it's Obsidian) are also expansions but my PC did get attached to the companions in both. (Valen and Gann ftw )

Velanna was just bad. That 'warm and fuzzy' remark stopped me right in my tracks. True, she could've just said it to get Nate's goat, but that still is a major ick-factor. Her "urge to leave not abating" was funny and at least showed my PC that she has some feelings toward her murderous rampage, but I think it's because she wants to avoid the ramifications, not because she feels guilty for killing all these people.

And what's up with her taking the architect's side? Did she not see what he did to her sister? Had she forgotten what he wrought? His intentions might have been all good and well, but he was severely lacking in carrying them to fruition. If she did develop some kind of conscience, it must have been minuscule enough for me to miss it.  But then again, she was usually in the keep, my PC wanted no part of her, Anders was fine, thank you very much.

There is no comparing her to Morrigan. Morrigan pulled me through the whole scale of emotions. I disliked her at first, but she grew on me. Even though none of my femWardens allowed the ritual, they all ended up friends with her.

I have no clue what my one and only male will do regarding the ritual. He's just at the beginning with her. But I must say, her romance is interesting to say the least. I never, ever play male PCs, but Morrigan made me change that, because I wanted to do her romance. That's how much of an impact the pixel witch has. Velanna is a pale and translucent shadow compared to the complexity of Morrigan.

[Nightfish103]

I'd take her over Morrigan any day of the week. At least Velanna doesn't diss me whenever I try to do any quest whatsoever and then comes crawling back to ask for my help when she has a problem.

[Ceridraen]

The new dialogue method really doesn't help, nor do the bugs that prevent you from getting their personal quests. But either way, there's no comparison with Morrigan or Zevran. They're completely reasonable and in accord with their back stories. Velanna's backstory is - what? Her sister disappears, but the reason, according to the Architect's journal, is that she seems to 'like' him. So basically, Velanna just wiped out a bunch of innocent people because her sister has a crush on the 'bad boy of the darkspawn.' She was snarky to my elf - worst to the Dalish - and a smug wench to my human guy. So if her resolution is that she softens up & lets the cute guy flatter her - that's not exactly designed to win much affection.





The other nice thing about the Origins romances was that those characters were also friends. If you didn't romance Leliana, she was still a friend. Morrigan is even a good friend. Zevran is incredibly touching either way. In this one, there's not much chance of that - granted, it's an expansion, but I feel its lack.

[sylvanaerie]

Sabriana wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Thanks Sabriana. I don't romance Zevran though I can see his appeal to those who do, even if hes just a friend he makes a wonderful companion and there is SO much more than just cold blooded killer in him. In fact when I get the "Rinna" conversation it always makes me tear up cause I know my PC has finally reached that core inside him, gotten him to open up finally. Even as a friend, he touches you in so many wonderful ways and no innuendo intended there. The PC is Zevran's savior at this point, you saved him not just from the Crows but from himself.

Yes he is. All my PCs romanced him, they don't seem to be able to stay away from him.

I have one character who is currently romancing Morrigan (poor sod, he doesn't know what he's getting into) and has Zevran on a friend basis. I must agree with you again, yes, he's a very good friend as well. There is no comparison to Velanna. None whatsoever.

That's why I feel so bad about Awakening and the characters. Perhaps it would have been better to limit them even further, and have only 3 new characters (and Oghren). It just didn't feel the same as in Origin. The saddest part was that I was so happy to see Oghren, but by the end of Awakening I felt nothing for him, not even sad that he is the utterly broken anti-hero. Because my PC couldn't do anything, she couldn't try to help, heck, she couldn't even talk to him properly. I really dislike the new dialogue system, btw. A mix of both, fine. But clicking on stuff to get them to talk? Thingies over their heads? No. Just, no.

I know that Awakening is just an expansion. I don't even own it, I watched a few play-throughs and played on a friend's computer with a new warden (obviously). The new warden and the Oghren situation was a bit more tolerable, but she could never warm up to him, simply because there was no way to get close enough to him to even offer help, advise, or just an open ear. However, HotU and MoTB (I know it's Obsidian) are also expansions but my PC did get attached to the companions in both. (Valen and Gann ftw )

Velanna was just bad. That 'warm and fuzzy' remark stopped me right in my tracks. True, she could've just said it to get Nate's goat, but that still is a major ick-factor. Her "urge to leave not abating" was funny and at least showed my PC that she has some feelings toward her murderous rampage, but I think it's because she wants to avoid the ramifications, not because she feels guilty for killing all these people.

And what's up with her taking the architect's side? Did she not see what he did to her sister? Had she forgotten what he wrought? His intentions might have been all good and well, but he was severely lacking in carrying them to fruition. If she did develop some kind of conscience, it must have been minuscule enough for me to miss it.  But then again, she was usually in the keep, my PC wanted no part of her, Anders was fine, thank you very much.

There is no comparing her to Morrigan. Morrigan pulled me through the whole scale of emotions. I disliked her at first, but she grew on me. Even though none of my femWardens allowed the ritual, they all ended up friends with her.

I have no clue what my one and only male will do regarding the ritual. He's just at the beginning with her. But I must say, her romance is interesting to say the least. I never, ever play male PCs, but Morrigan made me change that, because I wanted to do her romance. That's how much of an impact the pixel witch has. Velanna is a pale and translucent shadow compared to the complexity of Morrigan.

Morrigan's romance is good esp when you get her to full on Love status.  I won't spoil it for you but she made me cry it was tragically wonderfully painful to watch.  I think its even more complex than the others (I have played them if not fully at least most of the way).  Its worse knowing whats coming and I couldn't finish it but its well worth the time to take to see at least most of it.

At times I wish I could have both Zevran and Alistair (I always romance Al) but while Alistair is my PC's love, Zevran is her lil buddy!  Total bromance (if a girl/guy friendship can be referred to that)

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[Sarah1281]

Someone mentioned that they develop a romance, but I didn't believe it based on what I'd heard. I guess Nathaniel likes to live more dangerously than I thought!

I don't see it either. Nathaniel just tells her she's pretty and she gets all self-conscious. It's really the same as saying Leliana and Morrigan had a romance based on Leliana telling Morrigan how pretty she was.

[Xandurpein]

I liked Velanna just fine. I think I put most of her bad attitude to her being Dalish. Sure, she was a bit extreme even for the Dalish, but on the whole her attitudes are those of many Dalish in the game. They detest humans and think most humans deserve whatever evil befalls them. I can understand and even respect the Dalish point of view, but I don't kid myself that the Dalish are just nature loving noble souls.



I think she was very well done actually. It makes sense for someone of her upbringing to start by hating everything human, and then slowly get past it when she is actually forced to meet humans, like Nathaniel, as individuals rather than just a group or a race.

[Ceridraen]

Well, maybe, but she's the worst if you ARE Dalish.

[Sarah1281]

Well, maybe, but she's the worst if you ARE Dalish.

Why is that? Does she see you as a sell-out? Does she think you have the same 'keep the peace' attitude she left her clan for?

[surfgirlusa_2006]

roundcrow wrote...

Arguable. Have you played FFXIII yet?

You read my mind.  I wanted to smack Vanille at several points, and I'm not anywhere close to being done with the game.