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[Onyx Jaguar]

Karstedt wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Oh Jesus are we gonna start this **** again. For ****s sake enough!

It's never enough! Why is ME1 better than ME2? Discuss.:innocent:

Well the ending of ME 1 really picked up with some great levels that was seriously lacking from ME 2.  Also the lack of customization of armor sets for your party was disturbing.

Also Shepard runs/walks strange in ME 2. 

[Karstedt]

Especially that weird head turning thing he does when roaming about. That alone pretty much killed ME2.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Payne by name wrote...

Then gues what, heres a solution. Bring back the game, leave these forums, go to the ME forums and talk about ME if you love it so much. The point that you said ME was better then ME2 means you think the gameplay was better and that shows you hate change.

Kraidy1117 I must confess I find your attitude rather petulant and childish. You berate people for being trolls but then skulk around the board telling anyone that has a negative opinion of the game, or parts of it, to basically take back the game and stop posting on what you seem to assume is your forum.

A discussion forum is meant to be that. A place for people to discuss. Life get’s pretty boring if everyone thinks the same and it would be suicidal if we all had to think like you.

Grow up.

"By comparison to ME1, ME2 was a ****** and mediocre shooter title."

That was Dinkamus' first comment in the thread, to which Kraidy responded. Dinkamus, if you followed his posting history, seems to have a record for hating everything about ME2, in an extremely disrespectful manner. I recommend you actually read through the flame war before shooting your mouth.

If you want to berate ME2, fine. If you think it's the worst game ever made, fine. But referring to it as a "****** and mediocre shooter title" is asking to be flamed just as much as if I said "ME1 is one of the crappiest games ever made. The gameplay blows and the characters are boring as ****!" Whether or not that is your opinion, express it in a clear, polite manner. There are other people who enjoyed the game even if you didn't. If you can't manage that, don't complain when you are flamed. Discussions rarely go well when '******' is the first thing out of someone's mouth, you see.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 24 mars 2010 - 02:20 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Planet Scanning was in ME 2, not in ME 1, nuff said. ME 1 > than ME 2 in that regard.



Adepts and Engineers were nerfed imo in ME 2. ME 1 > ME 2 in that regard.



ME 2's hub worlds were not as big as the big hub world in ME 1. Feros was also decently sized.



No Virmire esque decisions in ME 2.



For some reason I think the graphic filter was more extreme in ME 1 than ME 2. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Lack of Sniper class units in ME 2. Also lack of variety of Geth units (no hoppers)



Lack of a low G level (Legion's loyalty mission doesn't count)

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Lack of Sniper class units in ME 2. Also lack of variety of Geth units (no hoppers)

Lack of a low G level (Legion's loyalty mission doesn't count)

No Rachni. Whether killing or helping them, I would have liked a tad more than a cameo appearance. = (

[FataliTensei]

Karstedt wrote...

Especially that weird head turning thing he does when roaming about. That alone pretty much killed ME2.

oh god that killed me:pinched:

[FataliTensei]

Pacifien wrote...

Jamelo wrote...

I like ME1 and ME2, but for some reason I can sit down and play ME1 for much longer stints at a time without getting bored. I've played through ME1 probably between 8 and 10 times, while only playing ME2 1 and a half or so times. I just really hated the story in ME2, and I also miss being a spectre going around and tracking saren. ME2 just feels a lot less grand IMO, and it's replay value is no where near ME1 for me.

I also find the replay value limited in ME2. Every time I play ME1, as soon as I become a Spectre and get my ship, I feel the progression of the story is entirely in my control.

In ME2, while I can get five crewmates in any order I see fit, I'm always going to end up at Horizon after the fifth one. And I always get two more crewmates after that before I'm forced to go to the Collector ship. And I can never get Thane, Samara or Tali earlier (not without cheating). And while arguably I'm not forced to head for the Omega-4 Mass Relay soon after the IFF is installed, guilt compels me.

That last one might be stretching my argument a bit.

But anyway, so much of ME2's story feels shackled. I wish I could describe it better, because it's not like ME1 had this massive expanse of different playthrough experiences compared to its sequel. It just felt like it did.

Having said that, ME2 is better at creating an environment and mood. ME1 is a very empty galaxy in comparison.

Yeah the story did feel much more shackled in ME2, but for some reason I can always get thane samara and tali before the collector ship mission, i think it's a glitch in my game because it wasn't like that on my first playthrough

Idk about the mood and environment though, I think ME1 still wins there, though I will admit Omega does a good job at getting the appopriate atmosphere

[Karstedt]

Don't forget:



ME1 had girl on girl action!

ME1 had more of the best character ever, Wrex!

[Driving Ghost]

Hmmm, it appears story was the best in ME1.

And game play was better in ME2.



Calculus time! ME1 + ME2 = ME3

[Payne by name]

BaladasDemnevani – Thanks for the lesson. But Kaidy1117 said the following in a post I made about my disappointed thoughts on ME2.



“If you don't like the game, then return it and don't play it, don't come here complaining. Only a minority of the people here hate ME, majority love ME2.”



I thought my post was delivered in a clear manner. I even responded to everyone that had commented, which I believe, would be construed as polite.



I then looked on this topic and I see his first contribution ends



“The thing is that's how you feel and I don't want to start a flame war but ME2 haters are minoarty and pleese don't become a troll. Me and Cain can make a nasty pyramid.”



Follow this with his response to Dinkamus and a pattern begins to emerge. So when I’m “shooting my mouth” I am simply citing direct, first hand experience.

[Mehow_pwn]

I'm with the ME 1 because there are plenty of reason why I liked the first one more then ME 2



Altho the combat in me 2 Is really awesome.. and I hope they keep it that way

[DarthCaine]

Karstedt wrote...

ME1 had more of the best character ever, Wrex!

You've never played KOTOR have you?

Wrex was basically a bland boring rip-off of Canderous Ordo

[DarthCaine]

Darht Jayder wrote...

yay..... more subjective opinionating on the quality of ME1 vs. ME2.

You're late. That's what you get for trolling :innocent:[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Modifié par DarthCaine, 24 mars 2010 - 03:40 .

[Karstedt]

DarthCaine wrote...

Karstedt wrote...

ME1 had more of the best character ever, Wrex!

You've never played KOTOR have you?

Wrex was basically a bland boring rip-off of Canderous Ordo

I played KotOR (actually been thinking of installing it again, ME2 made me want to play it again). I liked Wrex a lot more than Canderous. Though Canderous did have a LOT more to say. I still miss my HK-47 though Loved that robot. Still makes me sad that KotOR II didn't live up to it predecessor. And I was one of the many voices that cried out, disturbing the force, when the announcment that TOR was the next stop for the franchise. I'll probably give it a try if I can get some income, but I'm braced for dissapointment. MMO's have pretty much emphasized all the things I didn't like about them since back when I did like them.

[Karstedt]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Ahem.......not trolling......"counter-trolling".

Trolling what you conder to be trolls, is still trolling. Counter trolling would actually mean you are attempting to stop trolling. If you consider yourself a counter-troll, then you sir are the worst counter-troll ever. You post did nothing to stop trolling, and in fact, has encourage more of it as demonstrated by my own response.

[Baris]

OK, I usually don't reply in this kind of threads, where people try to prove other people's opinions wrong when they can't. The "feel" is the right title here though - so I'll try to explain my experience throughout two games based on it. And will not dwell on the use of medigel, combat and what have you.

FataliTensei, where you said ME2 felt more like video game, I can say the same for ME1. See how much my own experience differ from yours now: I enjoyed ME1 a lot. ME1 told me things and I listened, very interested - ME1
showed me things, different planets, species, stories and I watched a Shepard fighting and making decisions. Big and beautiful Citadel, open places where running around was fun. It was a vast universe where this Shepard was a part of. I, the player, felt a little left out however, I did not connect to the story emotionally, hardly ever felt anything until Ilos - where the game was about to end.

ME2 is different. "Telling" is over because it has to - ME1 covered the basics, it's time to show you by throwing you right in the middle of it. Squadmates are a good example of this. They don't always have too much to say but you're directly involved in their most personal troubles in disguise of "loyalty quests". This is a much darker universe where a mostly forgotten hasbeen hero has to work with the "enemy", is berated by her/his old friends, either denied a meeting with or dismissed by the Council, casted out to the Terminus Systems - almost like it's the only way they're going to tolerate his/her existence. S/he has to gather a team of dangerous criminals rather than a "legal" group of killers like Alliance. This time, you're tumbling down those very stairs you were climbing so
fast in the first game. No one pats you on the back but you still have to get the job done - there's no one else to blame when your decisions end up killing your team mates. No Virmire (forced) decisions here.

The claustrophobic places in ME2 only strengthens this feeling. I was looking forward to Presidium and all I got was a glimpse of it. Right there but you can't reach it. You are shackled to places, decisions and people you might otherwise prefer not to. The biggest problem of the universe is on your shoulders alone and there's no gratitude -
on the contrary.

So if we're talking about the "feel" of it, I say ME2 did a great job on what it was trying to convey. Put me right in Shep's shooes and made me think "I deserve better than this! I'm a bloody icon - a hero! ... right, Miranda?" Good thing Shepard is not me. With the second game, this universe came alive for me - finally involved in it directly where in ME1 it felt more like lots of codex with some lovely graphics to support it. Like you said "an alien galaxy" and it had to be. It was it's job to introduce this vast galaxy, it was ME2's job to make it not so alien anymore and
it did just that.

It's always interesting to see how we experience the same game and feel completely different about it though - these are opinions, they are meant to be subjective. If people could grow up and understand they can not
impose their opinions on others, we could have good discussions on these boards rather than name calling and outright disrespect.

Edit: I have no idea what's going on with this post. I give up.

Modifié par Baris, 24 mars 2010 - 04:17 .

[TyDurden13]

Karstedt wrote...

Especially that weird head turning thing he does when roaming about. That alone pretty much killed ME2.

I actually noticed this in ME1.  he does the weird head turn thing while running on Normandy I.

I guess I may as well throw in my $0.02 here w/r/t "feel":

The galaxy had a bit better scale in ME1 - mostly because of the Mako bits (which, while frustrating, did help depict the scale of space), but also there was no open area as big as the presifium/upper wards in ME2.

ME2 did a much better job of depicting those worlds as lived in and alive - Galactic News, the batarian propaganda on Omega, the chatter from the ransom NPCs.  also the diversity of the four "city" areas was a big plus in ME2 - a credit to the art design team.  Also seemed like there was more depth to the various factions, societies, and politics in ME2, though that may more be a product of being part 2 - by its nature there should be added layers.  

And of course the more customised nature of the side missions was a big improvement over the cutn'pasted, T-shaped bases full of random psychotics yelling me they were about to destroy me.  Although I'd still like more depth to side missions - they're getting closer, but not quite there.

In all, ME2 is a significant improvement for how much more alive and vibrant it feels, although there are a few things ME1 did better that were excised.

Modifié par TyDurden13, 24 mars 2010 - 04:17 .

[Bregs]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

its hard to get your mind blown more then once. remember when you saw the matrix for the first time. you were like holy hell what the ****balls is keanu reaves gotten himslef into!!!???!?? but then the second matrix came out, and you just felt blah about. thats because you cant have your mind blown more then once by the same thing. its science.

Not true, what about Star Wars or Lord of the Rings my mind was blown with each sequel.  Its just that with the Matrix 2  and ME2 its hard to get your mind blown when the stroy sucks so much. 

[InvaderErl]

Speak for yourself, ME2 had me consistently engrossed.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 24 mars 2010 - 04:35 .