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[BaladasDemnevanni]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Thats why I said, very good story, just bad gameplay.

Touche, Kraidy, touche.

[Ecael]

Ah yes, "TJSolo". You have a real penchant for disagreeing with me.

Odd fact never seen it before, it is so contrary to common knowledge
that posting this might require a link as support.

Considering Mass Effect 2 doesn't even have the keyboard shortcuts or double-click menus that Mass Effect 1 has, it's fairly easy to say. The inventory system for the console is very tedious to use, even moreso than Dragon Age (which was supposed to be PC only).

Mass Effect 1 and 2 wouldn't have been so drastically different if not for that first fact.

Another odd one, see above.

Microsoft still markets Mass Effect as being "exclusively for the XBox 360!" on their XBox.com website. Exclusivity is a huge marketing tactic for them. SithLordExarKun also noted:

"This isn't the first time they bribed companies to not develop the game
on other platforms... remember GTA4 episodes pack? Alan wake(which was
also going to be on pc but Microtard paid the company to halt and scrap
the pc version), they then bribed Konami to release the next MGS game on
xbox and they bribed SE to release FFXIII on xbox too(though it was a
horrible game)."

Another leap from your odd facts but more opinion than fact. If you
had merely said it played more like a RPG than typical shooter
without the PC qualifier it would have a more accurate and less
biased statement

Without the qualifier the statement would come off less jaded and
biased. Producing a statement that is fact and not a clouded mix of opinion/fact.
ME2 does indeed play more like a typical TPS shooter and shooters
are not an exclusive console notion as many shooter fanatics will
proclaim the PC is the inherent platform for a shooter; mouse > controlpad

Not biased, the controls for Mass Effect 1 are clearly set up and optimized for a PC user. And Mass Effect 2 barely plays like an RPG, which you and I can agree now (since the whole point of this topic and many others was exactly that).

Also, PC is the best platform for a shooter, but that doesn't stop Modern Warfare 2 from selling 7 million on the XBox on its first day. I wouldn't be surprised if Mass Effect 2 sold more on the console as well (it's hard to get numbers on the PC due to digital distribution).

One should recall to never use all and never. Please look at DAO, it
is a PC game and designed as such. The console controls and menus
suffer because of it.

Mass Effect 1 implemented SecuROM DRM (EA's doing, probably), resulting in many complaints. Dragon Age: Origins comes out and BioWare promises a simple disc check, which does, in fact happen. This was actually the result of a small battle between BioWare and EA - there's another thread I started about BioWare and potential DRM - Don Moar clarifies that.

You have made the divide between XBOX shooter / PC rpg with improper qualifiers.
Because you included so many false qualifiers in your prior statements
this statement looks logical but the conclusion is invalid.

Not only do you have a penchant for disagreeing with me, you have a tendency to use "false", "biased", "jaded", and "invalid" for every single point (as if that somehow strengthens your argument) despite the fact that you could have just left that for a conclusion.

The divide is already clear - just look at all the complaining on the forums about the lack of RPG elements in Mass Effect 2. In other words, everything I've been arguing against (the quality of ME2) only supports that divide even further. The polarization between fans of ME1 vs. ME2 is akin to that of American politics.

Admittedly the lead designer states her goal for ME3 will be richer
and more complex RPG features, along with the fact the current
shooting mechanics will more of less stay the same.

Don't get me wrong - I would love to see Mass Effect 3 revert into becoming a pure RPG with shooter elements - but I'm not going to be disappointed when that doesn't happen. The use of the word "richer" and "more complex" in comparison to Mass Effect 2 isn't that strong a statement.

[TJSolo]

You have a knack for evading and making conclusions that are not wholly in context.

I need to go back and format my other post as it lost its format between copying and pasting.



I stand by my opinion that you are drawing too many conclusions based misconceptions.

[Ecael]

TJSolo wrote...

You have a knack for evading and making conclusions that are not wholly in context.
I need to go back and format my other post as it lost its format between copying and pasting.

I stand by my opinion that you are drawing too many conclusions based misconceptions.

If I were evading, I'd make a simple statement about your commentary and leave it as such. I have trouble doing so, though.



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[TJSolo]

TJSolo wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Baris wrote...

Edit: I have no idea what's going on with this post. I give up.

Great post - you should have posted that on the first page, it would have prevented a flame war.

ssarigollu wrote...

I think most ME1>ME2 people are missing collect 20 bla bla type of quests, which are essential for

- get xp, level up, buy armor, kill boss level 10 instead of 9, get new item, start over type of rpgs.

ME2 is more like:

- walk around a bit, listen to the story, shoot the same guys, paint your armor, start over kinda shooter

almost two separate genres.

There's a very good reason for that - one which I will quote here again:

Ecael wrote...

1. BioWare was originally developing Mass Effect 1 for the PC, and all its gameplay/menu options were tailored for it.
2. Microsoft, their former publisher, paid them to gain exclusivity for the XBox 360 instead of the PC.
3. Mass Effect 1 is released for XBox 360 in 2007 exclusively at first, but plays like a PC RPG game.
4. Electronic Arts buys BioWare in 2008 and has Demiurge Studios develop Mass Effect for the PC (finally).
5. Mass Effect 2 is released for both XBox and PC, but plays like an XBox 360 shooter game.
6. All gaming companies, including EA, now believe in marketing for console games due to the prevalent piracy issues on PC.
7. Therefore, Mass Effect 3 will be focused on catering to the XBox 360.
 Effect 3 will be much more like the streamlined shooter Mass Effect 2 (XBox 360 version), because Microsoft and Electronic Arts said so.

Mass Effect 2 and 3 are designed solely for the XBox to be ported over to the PC.

Short answer, no.

" 1. BioWare was originally developing Mass Effect 1 for the PC, and all its gameplay/menu options were tailored for it."
Odd fact never seen it before, it is so contrary to common knowledge that posting this might require a link as support.
" 2. Microsoft, their former publisher, paid them to gain exclusivity for the XBox 360 instead of the PC."
Another odd one, see above.
" 3. Mass Effect 1 is released for XBox 360 in 2007 exclusively at first, but plays like a PC RPG game."
Another leap from your odd facts but more opinion than fact. If you had merely said it played more like a RPG than typical shooter without the PC qualifier it would have a more accurate and less biased statement.
"4. Electronic Arts buys BioWare in 2008 and has Demiurge Studios develop Mass Effect for the PC (finally)."
Fact.
" 5. Mass Effect 2 is released for both XBox and PC, but plays like an XBox 360 shooter game."
Without the qualifier that statement would come off less jaded and biased. Producing a statement that is fact and not a clouded mix of opinion/fact. ME2 does indeed play more like a typical TPS shooter and shooters are not an exclusive console notion as many shooter fanatics will proclaim the PC is the inherent platform for a shooter; mouse > controlpad
"6. All gaming companies, including EA, now believe in marketing for console games due to the prevalent piracy issues on PC. "
One should recall to never use all and never. Please look at DAO, it is a PC game and designed as such. The console controls and menus suffer because of it.
" 7. Therefore, Mass Effect 3 will be focused on catering to the XBox 360."
You have made the divide between XBOX shooter / PC rpg with improper qualifiers. Because you included so many false qualifiers in your prior statements this statement looks logical but the conclusion is invalid.

A shooter mechanics are not exclusive to XBOX and RPG mechanics are not exclusive to PCs, I feel I have to restate this because your post is so misleading.
EA Bioware wanted ME2  to have more visceral shooting experience, their focus on that combined with some of the ME1 feedback caused the RPG features to be slimmed too much.
Admittedly the lead designer states her goal for ME3 will be richer and more complex RPG features, along with the fact the current shooting mechanics will more of less stay the same.

Much better.

[Bucky_McLachlan]

The part about Bioware originally developing Mass Effect for the PC isn't even sort of kind of unbelievable at all, in fact I would go as far to say that it's only logical.

Modifié par Bucky_McLachlan, 25 mars 2010 - 01:16 .

[Throw_this_away]

DarthCaine wrote...

You had that "feeling" because ME1 was an introduction into the ME series and everything was new to you

That "feeling" is mostly just nostalgia. It's the same reason no RPG can match my KOTOR "feeling". It's the same reason why people say BG2 is the best RPG ever

ME2 was a much more emotional game

To me ME1 felt like a bland version of KOTOR. All the worlds were boring as hell and the Mako and the inventory were terrible

ME1's character were all boring rip-offs of KOTOR's characters (Wrex=Canderous, Kaidan=Carth etc.)

I 100% agree with you on the nostalgia.  Same goes for why the original Matrix was better... everything was new and exciting.  SAme goes for Jurassic Park... Spiderman... and just about any other first in a series of big movies/games. 

[Karstedt]

kraidy1117 wrote...

The point is he's a troll and he should just leave these forums and go to the ME ones, we already have Smudboy, Bottomjack, Gabby and Zenexile for our trolls, we don't need more.

What about me!

[Ecael]

Karstedt wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

The point is he's a troll and he should just leave these forums and go to the ME ones, we already have Smudboy, Bottomjack, Gabby and Zenexile for our trolls, we don't need more.

What about me!

Well, your posts don't reek of sheer cynicism (unlike certain others...) with the intention to provoke or irritate as many people as possible. Most people, like you, provide some insight or amusement in their posts.

Sorry, you don't qualify.

[Unit-Alpha]

@OP: Agreed. ME1 felt like there was a true, massive galaxy to explore. ME2 felt like Gears of War.

[Payne by name]

Fair comment Kraidy1117. There's nothing wrong with passion about a game and it's a fine line between defending that and going on the offence.



Credit to you for taking the time to respond.

[Baris]

Raphael, JeanLuc and Ecael, thanks a lot. I'm glad it makes sense - there were more numbers and codes than letters there at first - let alone my occasional butchering of the language. And there's no way I'll have a post in the first page, all these threads pop up while I'm asleep heh.



Halmiriliath, Jacob's bit was what helped me adjust to this new approach in the game - I admit I was struggling at first. But BW made it clear this was the direction they were going with that "poster boy/girl" story from Jacob (or at least it became clear to me when he said that) and all I could do was sit back, relax and enjoy. Admittedly, I loved that twist in Shep's story - I'm sure it's going to be "hero of the galaxy" and pose in front of a lovely space scenery once again in ME3 so I'm determined to enjoy ME2's darkness and that sense of "fall" again and again.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Karstedt wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

The point is he's a troll and he should just leave these forums and go to the ME ones, we already have Smudboy, Bottomjack, Gabby and Zenexile for our trolls, we don't need more.

What about me!

Sorry, I'm the troll-master.

[Acero Azul]

Spuudle wrote...

In terms of the feeling you got from ME1< I couldnt agree more. In that sense I prefer ME1, although the actual gameplay in ME2 was more polished. I felt a little let down by the size of the citadel, and lack of planetary exploration in ME2. They cant please everyone though. Both fantastic games, roll on ME3

Well played i enjoyed both games as well, the gameplay in ME2 more than ME1, but i do like the customization and picking up weapons and such. Altogether i loved both games and i am very excited for ME3.

[Karstedt]

Ecael wrote...

Well, your posts don't reek of sheer cynicism (unlike certain others...) with the intention to provoke or irritate as many people as possible. Most people, like you, provide some insight or amusement in their posts.

Sorry, you don't qualify.

I HATE YOU ALL! *runs away crying*

[Onyx Jaguar]

See, this is why you fail. You need to stand up and say something outright nonsensical, quite offensive, yet uniquely humerous like Zennexile.

[Karstedt]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

See, this is why you fail. You need to stand up and say something outright nonsensical, quite offensive, yet uniquely humerous like Zennexile.

What kind of idiot must you be to keep this thread alive with that kind of useless conjecture?

*waits for score card*

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also Hale's voice in ME 1 > ME 2, face it guys my evidence is irrefutable



And no don't bring up Meer as a counterpoint this is about how ME 1 > ME 2

[Onyx Jaguar]

Karstedt wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

See, this is why you fail. You need to stand up and say something outright nonsensical, quite offensive, yet uniquely humerous like Zennexile.

What kind of idiot must you be to keep this thread alive with that kind of useless conjecture?

*waits for score card*

YESSSSSSSSS

Karstedt +.5
OJ + YESSSSSSS

K = .5
OJ = 0

[Karstedt]

Oh man, you totally missed the subtleties and nuance then. I managed to insult and summarize the majority of posts in this thread through clever use of the phrasing, "useless conjecture", while simultaneously making a direct insult against you personally, all while doing exactly what it is I'm insulting people for... in a single sentence!



You're failure to grasp the awesomeness of my statement is PROOF that Meer's VA makes ME1>ME2.



K=10

[Collider]

It's all subjective, but I prefer Meer's voice.

[GodWood]

ME1 felt unfinished and recycled in MANY areas (texture loads, UNC missions basically being reskins, animations being frequently repeated) what saved it was the wonderfully written codex.



ME2 was far superior in feeling more immersive.

[Ecael]

Karstedt wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Well, your posts don't reek of sheer cynicism (unlike certain others...) with the intention to provoke or irritate as many people as possible. Most people, like you, provide some insight or amusement in their posts.

Sorry, you don't qualify.

I HATE YOU ALL! *runs away crying*

You know, for a Krogan, you sure seem to run away crying a lot.

[Karstedt]

Ecael wrote...

You know, for a Krogan, you sure seem to run away crying a lot.

Shut up! I'm going to the female camp! RRRAAAWWWW!

[Raphael diSanto]

Collider wrote...

It's all subjective, but I prefer Meer's voice.

Meer's better at delivering the Shane Black style Renegade one-liners. Jennifer Hale's better at everything else.

As with everything, YMMV.