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[InvaderErl]

DarthCaine wrote...

Spuudle wrote...

4. Another Countdown Timer - Let's hope this isn't the case, but it has been done in the past. Please BioWare, let's leave that timer-upon-timer nonsense to Kojima.

lol, I remember that. It was annoying

I think Kojima likes to **** with his audience because of all the Metal Gear games they force him to make.

[MassAffected]

Spuudle wrote...

4. Another Countdown Timer - Let's hope this isn't the case, but it has been done in the past. Please BioWare, let's leave that timer-upon-timer nonsense to Kojima.

I do like this option a lot.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Since this looks to have turned into a discussion on the countdown (when there are already places to discuss it), and no longer about bickering over my opinion of ME2, youll forgive me if now move on to other things. I cant actually sit here all day chatting away, no doubt despite what some of you would think otherwise.

[kraidy1117]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I have yet to insult you. Calling you a troll is not an insult unless you act like one which you are. ME gameplay was very bad, ME2 fixed that and then people like you complain because you got to shoot your gun in a RPG shooter.

You see what youve just said there about ME1? Notice any similarities to what I said about ME2?

Unlike you I can give good reasons why the gameplay sucked in ME.

-The combat did not play like a shooter at all
-there was no body part damage, I should do the same damage if I shoot somebody in the head, yet I do the same damage asif I shoot him in the arm.
-You could spam powers which made the game way to easy
-when you where done spaming your powers, you had to wait for the long cool down time
-you could only punch when you where near someone and then sometimes you would just keep shooting him
-The inventory system was a train wreak
-the whole ammo/armor upgrade system in ME was terrable because of the inventory system and having to pause the game, go into the inventory to change ammo, that broke the combat
-The AI was useless, worse then it was in ME.
-you could not issue commands to one squadmate and give diffrent to an other, making the party commands useless
-the weapon system was bad. There was no diffrence to weapons expect for acaruacy and cool down, they all looked the same expect they had diffrent colors and some looked diffrent but did not play diffrent
-The cover system failed
-The overheat system was too easy to spam and once you got a heat damping you would never have to worry about overheating again. You could just shoot non stop
-The MAKO and explorning was borning, clunky and not fun
-The side missions where very borining

Do you realy want me to continue on how bad the gameplay for ME was?

Modifié par kraidy1117, 24 mars 2010 - 01:15 .

[MassAffected]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Since this looks to have turned into a discussion on the countdown (when there are already places to discuss it), and no longer about bickering over my opinion of ME2, youll forgive me if now move on to other things. I cant actually sit here all day chatting away, no doubt despite what some of you would think otherwise.

Yes, I will forgive you.

[DarthCaine]

MassAffected wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Since this looks to have turned into a discussion on the countdown (when there are already places to discuss it), and no longer about bickering over my opinion of ME2, youll forgive me if now move on to other things. I cant actually sit here all day chatting away, no doubt despite what some of you would think otherwise.

Yes, I will forgive you.

[InvaderErl]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I have yet to insult you. Calling you a troll is not an insult unless you act like one which you are. ME gameplay was very bad, ME2 fixed that and then people like you complain because you got to shoot your gun in a RPG shooter.

You see what youve just said there about ME1? Notice any similarities to what I said about ME2?

Unlike you I can give good reasons why the gameplay sucked in ME.

-The combat did not play like a shooter at all
-there was no body part damage, I should do the same damage if I shoot somebody in the head, yet I do the same damage asif I shoot him in the arm.
-You could spam powers which made the game way to easy
-when you where done spaming your powers, you had to wait for the long cool down time
-you could only punch when you where near someone and then sometimes you would just keep shooting him
-The inventory system was a train wreak
-the whole ammo/armor upgrade system in ME was terrable because of the inventory system and having to pause the game, go into the inventory to change ammo, that broke the combat
-The AI was useless, worse then it was in ME.
-you could not issue commands to one squadmate and give diffrent to an other, making the party commands useless
-the weapon system was bad. There was no diffrence to weapons expect for acaruacy and cool down, they all looked the same expect they had diffrent colors and some looked diffrent but did not play diffrent
-The cover system failed
-The overheat system was too easy to spam and once you got a heat damping you would never have to worry about overheating again. You could just shoot non stop
-The MAKO and explorning was borning, clunky and not fun
-The side missions where very borining

Do you realy want me to continue on how bad the gameplay for ME was?

Also once you hit the higher levels the game completely broke since you could spam powers and by the time you were done you could start all over again since the cooldowns became so short.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 24 mars 2010 - 01:19 .

[Halmiriliath]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

I relied much more on my powers as a sentinel in ME1. As an adept and sentinel in ME2, I relied on my weapons and taking cover, as if I was playing Gears of War.

Interesting. I always felt that biotics were overpowered in the first Mass Effect. Whenever I had Liara on the team, I always felt that it was too easy to steamroll through your enemies, regardless of who they were. If my Shepard had biotics as well, it almost became a stroll in the park, and that's why I tended to avoid having Liara on the squad (with the exception of Noveria). For me, if you don't feel the need to take cover, then the game isn't challenging you enough, and it becomes a bit dull. Now I know you've said you care less about combat than the RPG elements, but I perceive combat as an extension of the role-playing. Each squad member brings something new to the fight, and while it may not necessarily be dialogue, it feels different. Challenging and interesting fights are integral parts of the advancement of the plot for Commander Shepard - he/she wouldn't get the reputation they have if it was just a matter of stomping easy foes again and again. I've only played Gears of War once for about five minutes, but the impression I got is that it is an entirely different - and much more combat-oriented - beast than the Mass Effect franchise. But that could just be me. T'is all subjective anyway. 

[kraidy1117]

DarthCaine wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Since this looks to have turned into a discussion on the countdown (when there are already places to discuss it), and no longer about bickering over my opinion of ME2, youll forgive me if now move on to other things. I cant actually sit here all day chatting away, no doubt despite what some of you would think otherwise.

Yes, I will forgive you.

Are you trying to give me a heart attack Cain?

[Ecael]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Amazing. You, by far, are the most worthless poster on this forum. Instead of coming up with a retort you make up more insults to 'defend your point'. At least other people put up some kind of counterpoint, but you sit back and believe you're right when you've added nothing to the discussion.

Continue insulting me, though. It'll just mean I'm the one who's actually correct, since you don't even care to correct me. Or you could try dismantling the argument I just made - I doubt you will even bother, though.

What point? What argument? All I had to respond to was the arrogant assumptions of a deluded roleplaying forum poster.

Its rich you accuse me of adding nothing to the discussion, when all you did was type "Here are my thoughts on how ME3 will go down, and if you dont like it, leave".

Those who live in glass houses or post on forums under a ridiculous fictional character persona shouldnt throw stones or make accusations of not deconstructing an argument.

In short: youre a whiny, deluded hypocrite.

Honestly guys, all of this because ME2 got criticised. You expecting Bioware to mail you flowers, despite all your constant hate and trolling of ME1? (oh the irony)

I've had enough of your snide insinuations.

Since you aren't going to listen to anyone else, you might as well listen to yourself.

http://social.biowar...4813/88#1231864
"Yes, thats right Liara, my Shepard really gives a **** about his mission when youve just poured your heart out telling him how you put yourself through hell, and beat yourself up after emerging alive, and all for him. He totally wouldnt want to comfort you in a more personal and meaningful way."

http://meforums.biow...15458&forum=144
"Didnt you know? The ME2 love interests are far more "compelling", and so your Shepard will probably cheat on the ME1 love interest.
I will no doubt feel "compelled" to smash them in the face with a shovel. But Shepard cheat on Liara in my main playthrough? Nah."

http://social.biowar...341/229#1723108
"I demand paragon interrupt to have Shepard strip down to his boxers and try and break it up, or Im not buying it."

http://meforums.biow...15223&forum=144
"You know its kind of a common theme in certain sci-fi that "the aliens" arent really any different from us when you get down to what fundamentally makes a person. Its still two people who love eachother."

http://social.biowar...5341/26#1385640
"Yeah, I pity the players who had Shepard choose an ME2 LI. They dont get anything remotely like that wonderful scene in ME1. "

http://social.biowar...635278/3#642061
"Oh yes indeedy am I making my Shepard stay loyal to Liara, no matter how small a role she might play."

http:/forums.bioware.com/my_account/viewprofile.html/forum/1/topic/103/index/689673/6#691924
"Hate on Liara? Why would I want to do that? Id much rather continue to hate on this new band of unimpressive posers who irritate me before the game is even started."

http://meforums.biow...&forum=144&sp=0
"Not only was she my romance choice, she played a pretty big role in the main plot. To have her return in anything less than a full team mate for the whole game will be a massive let down."

http://meforums.biow...orum=144&sp=270
"Just an overwhelming wave of disappointment to know that no matter how well made ME2 is (and it truly looks to be well made) its now already failed as a sequel in my eyes.
For what reason? Since I was right to suspect the romances are back seaters..."

http://social.biowar...341/230#1723376
"At least Liara comes to comfort Shepard after the council screws him over, and you get one of the most sweet "almost kiss" moments ever."

http://meforums.biow...forum=144&sp=30
"I think she is "pretty". Saying she is "attractive" is meaningless to someone like me, who finds her positively "unattractive".
Its no different to folks saying Liara is "cute", while I think she is extremely attractive and beautiful."

http://meforums.biow...forum=144&sp=15
"Actually, scratch that. Even the most emotionally engaging space turnip cant turn my Shepards head away from Liara."

http://meforums.biow...rum=144&sp=1305
"Quote: Posted 12/16/09 00:11 (GMT) by ratzerman
How 'bout that Liara? Pretty hot, right?
.... JEEEZUS! yeah"

http://meforums.biow...98216&forum=144
"However I have to admit, if Im prepared to accept a race of giant machines wiping out advanced life in the galaxy every few millennia, I have to accept the human desire to go into outer space and mate with aliens. Which I have to point out, in Liaras case is something my Shepard didnt turn down (which by extension probably means I wouldnt in the same situation. Im as bad as Zapp Brannigan!). "

http://meforums.biow...80893&forum=144
"They certainly have my trust that they will handle it properly.
As for the benefit, I think its entirely down to personal preference on if you think it adds to the story. Unless Bioware have some sort of plan in place for Shepard and his/her romance choice to start breeding minions...."

http://meforums.biow...orum=144.&sp=30
"I imagined Shepard as inexperienced in sex and relationships anyway (due to a life as an orphan struggling to survive on Earth, and then straight into a military career) and it was Liara holding him back."

http://meforums.biow...forum=144&sp=15
"My main playthrough this simply will not be a concern for me. Im not interested in what the ME2 LIs offer. I didnt romance Liara in ME1 for one brief shot of backside, and (so quick I missed it) the fabled "side-boob". I did it because I felt it made Shepard seem a more real character, instead of the cardboard cut-out "saviour of the galaxy"."

http://meforums.biow...orum=144.&sp=15
"I think, as Shepard says to Liara earlier in the romance, you cant control these things, only get swept away with them. I figure Liara decided there was no point waiting and trying to control it. She just had to let go and express her true feelings rather than wait around and ruin it."

http://social.biowar...46641/3#1349324
"How on earth do you "cheat" or "stay loyal" if there is absolutely no romance in ME2 to stay loyal to/cheat on? It was complete garbage. The "troubled second act" of the romance amounted to an appearance on the Normandy at the start, a holo/photo on the desk, and an awkward and cut off kiss on Illium. Bioware actually needs to offer up some real content for any of this stuff to make sense IMO. At the moment there is no "second act" for Liara and Shepard."

http:/social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1653313/3#1654614
"Yeah, thankfully many have hit the nail on the head already: Though you wouldnt know it from her utterly crap ME2 role that was a complete embarrassment, Liara is the most important character in the trilogy other than Shepard. Far more important than Tali easily. The only reason Tali has even been suggested is because of her horde of fanboys, but face facts, she isnt that important."

http://social.biowar...4813/78#1193284
"Yeah, I think jlb already knows I like her cuddle Liaras holo pic, but its worth saying here is well.
They should have given you the option to interact with it after the suicide mission like that. The fish die and the space hamster plays a miniature giant space violin, and Shepard quietly sobs at the poorly executed Liara cameo s/he had to endure."

http://social.biowar...4123/46#1195172
"Yeah, by then LIaras ****ty cameo role had already tainted my "emotional investment" in the entire game beyond repair. It has its nice side to it, but by then I was just too cynical and bitter about the whole game, and could only muster a sarcastic "well, at leat they gave us THAT!""

http://social.biowar...66886/1#1167149
"Just as you cannot stop Shepard from dying, you cannot stop Liara from saving Shepards life.
Deal with it Liara haters."

[Collider]

EDI always works at optimal capacity.

[TJSolo]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I have yet to insult you. Calling you a troll is not an insult unless you act like one which you are. ME gameplay was very bad, ME2 fixed that and then people like you complain because you got to shoot your gun in a RPG shooter.

You see what youve just said there about ME1? Notice any similarities to what I said about ME2?

Unlike you I can give good reasons why the gameplay sucked in ME.

-The combat did not play like a shooter at all
-there was no body part damage, I should do the same damage if I shoot somebody in the head, yet I do the same damage asif I shoot him in the arm.
-You could spam powers which made the game way to easy
-when you where done spaming your powers, you had to wait for the long cool down time
-you could only punch when you where near someone and then sometimes you would just keep shooting him
-The inventory system was a train wreak
-the whole ammo/armor upgrade system in ME was terrable because of the inventory system and having to pause the game, go into the inventory to change ammo, that broke the combat
-The AI was useless, worse then it was in ME.
-you could not issue commands to one squadmate and give diffrent to an other, making the party commands useless
-the weapon system was bad. There was no diffrence to weapons expect for acaruacy and cool down, they all looked the same expect they had diffrent colors and some looked diffrent but did not play diffrent
-The cover system failed
-The overheat system was too easy to spam and once you got a heat damping you would never have to worry about overheating again. You could just shoot non stop
-The MAKO and explorning was borning, clunky and not fun
-The side missions where very borining

Do you realy want me to continue on how bad the gameplay for ME was?

-There are plenty of games that don't play like shooters and it is not a bad thing.
-The only constant body part that can take a different amout of damage is the head. Only droids and husks have extremities that react differently. Also body part damage is not a negative it is just a feature some games implement.
-Spamming powers is still in fashion on ME2. Incinerate and Adrenaline boosts were day one spammed by many people and now some are showing how good Combat Drone is when just spammed.
- Even if a player used all their cooldowns it isn't a matter of them having to wait for all to come back before engaging in a fight or having to run from a fight because all the powers are on cooldown. Not a negative.
- Only resorting to a melee attack when in melee range..yea that is so weird.
- The inventory system was an overload of items. Manageable but just a mountain of drops, not a wreck.
- The mod system was good and pausing to break combat is not a negative it is one of the approaches Bioware uses. Pausing to break combat is still implemented in ME2. Not a negative just how it works.
- The AI is bad in both games. Let me know when Bioware has coding for the AI to not stand on top of cover and to use cover when being shot at.
- They didn't all look the same there were at least 10 unique weapons per class and then from that the I-X interations came about. The gun mechanics of ME1 are different then ME2, with respect to the mechanics the guns were indeed different.
- Getting in and out of cover in ME1 is actually easier, just get close to use it and then move away to stop using it. ME2 is kind of clunky and has bugs by binding so many actions to one key press(button) a player can exit cover unintentionally.
- Overheating could be circumvented with a certain combination of mods and specific guns. Even unlimted shooting didn't mean you would hit anything. This was a players choice and not a negative for the entire system.
- You calling the Mako boring is entirely subjective and a personal feeling, not evidence of a negative as people will have different opinions.
- Boring, subjective. People still found them immersive and well written. The hooks those side quests use are continuing from ME2 and will be included in ME3.

Some of your negatives look just like the same rehashed and repeated exagerations some of the forumites use. Not really factual but just opinions.

[Ecael]

Collider wrote...

EDI always works at optimal capacity.

Yes, I do.

And I don't fawn over love interests as if I they were my husband/wife in real-life.

That list is only a couple of Dink's posts. This is more than just overblown obsession for him.

[Raphael diSanto]

I sense a significant trend there, Ecael

[TJSolo]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

I sense a significant trend there, Ecael

It is called oppression of opinion. If it does not meet the criteria of praise then the usual suspects come along and derail it.

[SithLordExarKun]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Amazing. You, by far, are the most worthless poster on this forum. Instead of coming up with a retort you make up more insults to 'defend your point'. At least other people put up some kind of counterpoint, but you sit back and believe you're right when you've added nothing to the discussion.

Continue insulting me, though. It'll just mean I'm the one who's actually correct, since you don't even care to correct me. Or you could try dismantling the argument I just made - I doubt you will even bother, though.

What point? What argument? All I had to respond to was the arrogant assumptions of a deluded roleplaying forum poster.

Its rich you accuse me of adding nothing to the discussion, when all you did was type "Here are my thoughts on how ME3 will go down, and if you dont like it, leave".

Those who live in glass houses or post on forums under a ridiculous fictional character persona shouldnt throw stones or make accusations of not deconstructing an argument.

In short: youre a whiny, deluded hypocrite.

Honestly guys, all of this because ME2 got criticised. You expecting Bioware to mail you flowers, despite all your constant hate and trolling of ME1? (oh the irony)

Yeah one thing i realize about Dinky is he/she/it is probably the most aggressive forum poster i have seen yet on these forums.

Always getting butthurt and completely losing composure when someones opinion is different and he/she/it somehow has the delusion to think that his/her/its opinions are universal.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 24 mars 2010 - 01:53 .

[Collider]

TJSolo wrote...
- Boring, subjective.

To be fair, most of this topic is subjective. ME1 isn't objectively better or worse than ME2.

[Ecael]

TJSolo wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

I sense a significant trend there, Ecael

It is called oppression of opinion. If it does not meet the criteria of praise then the usual suspects come along and derail it.

I didn't even bother to post a comparison or opinion on either game in this thread, TJ.

I just post that 7-step list that shows why Mass Effect 2 became a shooter, and why Mass Effect 3 will too.

[Qwepir]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
-words-

Ecael wrote...
-words-

Quit bickering, you two. Yes, Dinkamus is a borderline obsessed Liara fan, and yes Ecael is an EDI roleplayer. That doesn't mean anything.

[Raphael diSanto]

TJSolo wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

I sense a significant trend there, Ecael

It is called oppression of opinion. If it does not meet the criteria of praise then the usual suspects come along and derail it.

Nono, I was just talking about the Liara-obsession prevalent in those little snippets. It's really quite frightening.

[jlb524]

Ecael wrote...

*snips a bunch of Dink quotes*

http://social.biowar...66886/1#1167149
"Just as you cannot stop Shepard from dying, you cannot stop Liara from saving Shepards life.
Deal with it Liara haters."

This is...odd. 

Looks like Dink has a forum stalker...

[Ecael]

Qwepir wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
-words-

Ecael wrote...
-words-

Quit bickering, you two. Yes, Dinkamus is a borderline obsessed Liara fan, and yes Ecael is an EDI roleplayer. That doesn't mean anything.

Borderline obsessed? More like completely infatuated.

The difference between the two things you just stated is the fact that his obvious Liara obsession makes him severely biased. I couldn't care less if someone insults EDI or any other character in this game. Dink, on the other hand, will ignore everyone's opinions unless they mention that they love Liara somewhere in their post.

[InvaderErl]

jlb524 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

*snips a bunch of Dink quotes*

http://social.biowar...66886/1#1167149
"Just as you cannot stop Shepard from dying, you cannot stop Liara from saving Shepards life.
Deal with it Liara haters."

This is...odd. 

Looks like Dink has a forum stalker...

...

Hawt.

[Collider]

jlb524 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

*snips a bunch of Dink quotes*

http://social.biowar...66886/1#1167149
"Just as you cannot stop Shepard from dying, you cannot stop Liara from saving Shepards life.
Deal with it Liara haters."

This is...odd. 

Looks like Dink has a forum stalker...

It's not hard to look up posts.

[Ecael]

jlb524 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

*snips a bunch of Dink quotes*

http://social.biowar...66886/1#1167149
"Just as you cannot stop Shepard from dying, you cannot stop Liara from saving Shepards life.
Deal with it Liara haters."

This is...odd. 

Looks like Dink has a forum stalker...

No need to stalk - pretty much all of his posts on a simple Google search either:

1. Obsesses over Liara
2. Trolls someone who doesn't like Liara
3. Talks about how horrible ME2 is