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[Daurf815]

It seems odd most people argue that leaving the council to die is the correct choice.

It seems more likely that saving the Destiny Ascension would have provided much needed firepower against the unknown defense capabilities of the reapers.

Even Joker acknowledges the destructive capabilities of the Destiny Ascension in the cinematic the plays when you first head to the Citadel in ME1.

So, logically, saving the council, and thus saving the Destiny Ascension, would provide a much needed firepower bonus to the defense of the Citadel.

[Landline]

But the Ascension was damaged and retreating, unable to provide military support during the battle.

[Raphael diSanto]

My Paragon Shep and Paragade Shep saved the council because it's the right thing to do, morally speaking. (in their view)



My Renegade Shep didn't because he doesn't care too much for aliens and wanted to save all of his forces for Sovereign.

[CmdrFenix83]

Because in the short term, sacrificing functional ships to save one that's moments from exploding isn't a very wise decision. Don't think about this in a game sense(BioWare wouldn't give you the decision like that at the apex of the game just to have it result in game over), but rather from the perspective of Shepard.



What if those ships lost saving the Ascension were enough lost firepower that Sovereign won? That single question was the reason my first Shepard told the fleet to Concentrate on Sovereign.

[Daurf815]

Landline wrote...

But the Ascension was damaged and retreating, unable to provide military support during the battle.

I did not get that notion during my playthroughs

[Qwepir]

What if you try to save the Ascension, lose a bunch of ships, and it explodes anyway?

[Landline]

Daurf815 wrote...

Landline wrote...

But the Ascension was damaged and retreating, unable to provide military support during the battle.

I did not get that notion during my playthroughs

So the fact that if you decide to save it it keeps on flying away leaving the humans doesn't esablish that?

And the fact that its destroyed by the geth fleet without any help from Sov?

That ship was more of a target then anything else.

(Keep in mind that ME ships can only fire straight forward)

Modifié par Landline, 24 mars 2010 - 12:35 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Daurf815 wrote...

Landline wrote...

But the Ascension was damaged and retreating, unable to provide military support during the battle.

I did not get that notion during my playthroughs

How didn't you?  The Citadel fleet is almost completely anhilated when Joker shows up with the Arturus Fleet.  At the very least, they're left holding the Geth forces at bay while the Alliance concentrates on Sovereign.  The Destiny Ascension was in no shape to keep fighting.  Plus, they have the Council on board now, do you think that with their ravaged and nearly-destroyed ship that they would take the galactic leaders into battle against a Dreadnaught over twice their size?

[Daurf815]

Landline wrote...

Daurf815 wrote...

Landline wrote...

But the Ascension was damaged and retreating, unable to provide military support during the battle.

I did not get that notion during my playthroughs

So the fact that if you decide to save it it keeps on flying away leaving the humans doesn't esablish that?

And the fact that its destroyed by the geth fleet without any help from Sov?

That ship was more of a target then anything else.

(Keep in mind that ME ships can only fire straight forward)

There's no scene where it just "keeps flying away",  sadly the end scene does not utalize the Ascension when it should have.

It was roughed up by the geth as it is a dreadnaught so it only good at long range (perhaps it was getting to a distance to launch rounds at sov? )

[Gavinthelocust]

I accidentally the whole council

[Juztinb42]

I don't think that the lost ships would have done much against Sovereign anyway. They hadn't been damaging it for the entire battle and they only started winning when Shepard used the computer thing.

[Barquiel]

- the DA is the most powerful ship of the Council races; it could be useful

- I save 10000 crewmembers

- The geth worship Sovereign, the fifth fleet is going to attack Sovereign...I think it's a poor tactical decision to ignore them

- I ensure political stability

- the asari councilor is hot

[Booglarize]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Because in the short term, sacrificing functional ships to save one that's moments from exploding isn't a very wise decision. Don't think about this in a game sense(BioWare wouldn't give you the decision like that at the apex of the game just to have it result in game over), but rather from the perspective of Shepard.

What if those ships lost saving the Ascension were enough lost firepower that Sovereign won? That single question was the reason my first Shepard told the fleet to Concentrate on Sovereign.

Precisely. Based on the information you had at that time, "Concentrate on Sovereign" was the only logical choice.

[GuardianAngel470]

I saved the council because I knew that letting them die and putting an all human council in place would cause political turmoil in the galaxy, rendering the galaxy less capable of fighting the reapers.



Dead serious, that was the rationale.

[Landline]

Okay, last time I checked if you don't save the DA the council isn't all human, it's just human lead.

[Goodwood]

Barquiel wrote...

- the DA is the most powerful ship of the Council races; it could be useful
- I save 10000 crewmembers
- The geth worship Sovereign, the fifth fleet is going to attack Sovereign...I think it's a poor tactical decision to ignore them
- I ensure political stability
- the asari councilor is hot

That, and the tactical axiom of not holding back reinforcements. I've said it before and I'll say it again, and continue to say it until every dunce who pretends to know basic military tactics acknowledges this: if you are in a desperate battle and suddenly receive a glut of reinforcements, you DO NOT hold them back in order to wait for the "right moment". That is a surefire way to see those reinforcements destroyed and your side defeated in detail.

Napoleon got lucky at Austerlitz. Had his opponents not gone for the gambit, he'd have committed sooner, and still won the battle.

[Sepiaman]

I cant really remember the exact sequence of things because it was so long ago, but I do remember that I did save the council, when I played ME2 I was surprised when it said the council had died and only humans took up the reigns and that pompous ass was actually in charge!!!

[Raphael diSanto]

Landline wrote...

Okay, last time I checked if you don't save the DA the council isn't all human, it's just human lead.

That depends on your alignment.

Paragon Shepards who don't save the council form a new human-led multi-race council.

Renegade Shepards who don't save the council form a new all-human council.

[Notho]

Airquotes for ME3.

[Flamewielder]

I saved the Council to stick it to the Turians by saying "you're not the only species willing to sacrifice ships for the greater good of Citadel races..."



Humanity took the high road and saved the turians guarding the Citadel's collective behinds. And a Williams and a krogan were among the squad that made it possible... I'd say it's the sweetest revenge for the First Contact War and the defeat of the krogan rebellion.



Paragon doesn't preclude deviousness or pride...

[OH-UP-THIS!]

save them?

HaH!! surely you jest!

Spacedust are they!!

[AmyBA]

I am along the same lines as Flamewielders, it was to prove I was willing to sacrifice for the good of all, and not out just for myself or just for my people.

My line of thinking was that I needed to prove that not all humans were Xenophobic and looking to dominate everything, I felt I needed to prove that I cared about the entire galaxy and its people and not just my own, and saving the council would help do that. I also thought that an all human council would be a terrible and frightening idea, look at the world and its human leaders today, look at people like Udina. They made it clear that there was too many people weary of humans and had negative ideals about them, and that some of it was for good reason, such as the several pro-human/anti-alien support groups which were less than admirable. It was a chance I had to show I was fighting Saren and this reaper for everyones sake and not just humanitys.

Modifié par AmyBA, 24 mars 2010 - 01:06 .

[Commander_David]

I only saved the Council because political instability is the LAST thing you need when trying to organize a defense against the reapers... but in ME 2 the stupid council act like soverign was just a simple geth dreadnaught.. idiots that they be

[MajorStranger]

This choice is in my opinion my best option. Saving the council prove to everyone that Humanity is there and are willing to make sacrifice for the greater good, even if it mean losing thousands human life. This Choice is about showing everyone that Humanity might be new in space but have the strength to make a difference and the willingness to become leaders in the galactic civilisation