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[Emerald Melios]

Which character from either campaign do you think was most depressing?

I personally would say Niall from Broken Circle: made the Fade sequence a real downer.

[casedawgz]

Jowan. The only way to save him from execution is "Get out of here. I never want to see you again."

[Thalorin1919]

Alot of hard moments. But I had to see in the dead trenches in the deep roads, hearing Hespith and her poem. It was quiet depressing. Especially since its you and four of your companions very very far away from Orzammar in deep darkspawn territory.

[Darthnemesis2]

Tamlen... poor sod. Being turned into a ghoul would suck, when I met him again I was genuinely sad.

[Efesell]

Maybe an odd pick, but I think I'll go with Ruck.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Garin. In an adorable way.

[Godak]

I can't help but feel for Lily and Teyrna Cousland...

[Ceridraen]

I'm never sure what happened to them. DID Jowan die? And what happened to Lily, other than being 'sent off?' I guess the little Truthiness boy, the Cousland's little nephew - that was really sad. I felt like he'd have grown up to have his own satirical news show.

Oh - I did love Hespith's 'Betrayal' speech.  That wasn't so much depressing as just really well done.  Very moving, like a good play.  For me, depressing is, 'no good choices, & seeing everything tarnished.'  I noticed that playing my female characters has more depressing choices than my males, but I'm sure that's just my own viewpoint. 

Modifié par Ceridraen, 24 mars 2010 - 04:25 .

[Nobody Important]

Oghren since he always drinks to forget. His wife left him which caused he him to lose his honor and start drinking constantly. After that he founds out his wife is nut case and is forced to kill her or let her stay there in her own madness. He is still not over Branka in awakening.

[Efesell]

For all his crimes, Jowan actually makes out pretty well unless you specifically have him killed. Even if he's handed over to the Circle.

[Nhadalie]

There's a lot of very depressing characters in both Origins and Awakening.

Tamlen, Leske, Gorim, Oghren, Jowan, Oren, Cullen and Niall. I always feel terrible about all of them.

Hespith and Laryn(The broodmother) always creeped me out more than anything. It's horrific what Branka let happen. And it's even worse how she used it to her advantage. Personally, I think the situation is worse for a female PC. Because you literally get to see something that could happen to your character in the future if you don't actually die.(I'm not sure if Grey Wardens can become broodmothers. But they definitely become ghouls if they don't die fighting eventually.) But that entire situation is just so awful. It was easily the scariest thing I've ever experienced in a game. The fact that I played it late at night definitely didn't help any.

[casedawgz]

Nhadalie wrote...

There's a lot of very depressing characters in both Origins and Awakening.

Tamlen, Leske, Gorim, Oghren, Jowan, Oren, Cullen and Niall. I always feel terrible about all of them.

Hespith and Laryn(The broodmother) always creeped me out more than anything. It's horrific what Branka let happen. And it's even worse how she used it to her advantage. Personally, I think the situation is worse for a female PC. Because you literally get to see something that could happen to your character in the future if you don't actually die.(I'm not sure if Grey Wardens can become broodmothers. But they definitely become ghouls if they don't die fighting eventually.) But that entire situation is just so awful. It was easily the scariest thing I've ever experienced in a game. The fact that I played it late at night definitely didn't help any.

While I share your sentiments that that was pretty damned screwed up, the mannequins in the department store in Condemned: Criminal Origins still haunt my nightmares.

[Raiil]

Niall and Ruck, I think. Both tried to do the right thing (in a way, for Ruck), both got crapped on for it.

[Sarah1281]

Fergus and Shianni, particularly if you don't do the corresponding origins.

Fergus has a nice little family goodbye before leaving for Ostagar. He gets attacked before the battle and wakes up to learn that everyone he's ever cared about is dead and Howe stole his land. Then, at the end of the game he has to go back to Highever alone and try and rebuild after the massacre.

Shianni gets kidnapped and assaulted during her brother and cousin's double-wedding, her cousin is probably dead and her brother spent a year in Howe's prison trying to save her - and regardless of whether they made it back or not, which I doubt since Vaughan's still alive - and they were too late anyway. Then she seems to be the only one who can see that these 'healers' are up to no good. I'm a little surprised that given how much her life sucks she can't work out what shipping people means, but maybe she's just in denial. Her uncle and their leader are gone, no one will listen, and all the misfortune that befell the alienage could concievably be because she attacked Vaughan in the first place. Given the situation, no on can blame her...but I'll bet you anything her fellow elves did.

Jowan also has a pretty rough time of it, but given that he brought most of it on himself through sheer stupidity, I don't view him as nearly that tragic. Just because he SAID he would poison Eamon didn't mean he needed to go through with it. Did he really think he'd get away with it? Not to mention that the Templars really shouldn't have found him in the first place since he destroyed his phylactery.

I did feel really sorry for Gorim...right until I rushed straight from Lothering to Denerim to see him and found out he was somehow already married and had a kid on the way.  But at least I got  freaking discount.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 24 mars 2010 - 04:56 .

[Nhadalie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Fergus and Shianni, particularly if you don't do the corresponding origins.

Fergus has a nice little family goodbye before leaving for Ostagar. He gets attacked before the battle and wakes up to learn that everyone he's ever cared about is dead and Howe stole his land. Then, at the end of the game he has to go back to Highever alone and try and rebuild after the massacre.

Shianni gets kidnapped and assaulted during her brother and cousin's double-wedding, her cousin is probably dead and her brother spent a year in Howe's prison trying to save her - and regardless of whether they made it back or not, which I doubt since Vaughan's still alive - and they were too late anyway. Then she seems to be the only one who can see that these 'healers' are up to no good. I'm a little surprised that given how much her life sucks she can't work out what shipping people means, but maybe she's just in denial. Her uncle and their leader are gone, no one will listen, and all the misfortune that befell the alienage could concievably be because she attacked Vaughan in the first place. Given the situation, no on can blame her...but I'll bet you anything her fellow elves did.

Jowan also has a pretty rough time of it, but given that he brought most of it on himself through sheer stupidity, I don't view him as nearly that tragic. Just because he SAID he would poison Eamon didn't mean he needed to go through with it. Did he really think he'd get away with it? Not to mention that the Templars really shouldn't have found him in the first place since he destroyed his phylactery.

I did feel really sorry for Gorim...right until I rushed straight from Lothering to Denerim to see him and found out he was somehow already married and had a kid on the way.  But at least I got  freaking discount.

You bring up some good points. I completely forgot about Shianni. It's been awhile since I played the city elf origin.

Jowan isn't really capable of deceiving people. Which makes me wonder how on earth he managed to convince Lily and the mage PC that he wasn't a blood mage. He's one of those ridiculously honest types of people. I don't think he even thought that not poisoning Arl Eamon was an option. But then, he had no way of knowing that Loghain couldn't and wouldn't do anything for him. As well as the fact that the Chantry and the Circle would never give him the opportunity to redeem himself.


I never understood how Gorim managed to get married and get his wife pregnant so quickly. It's only been a couple months since they last saw each other, and he promised to love the Dwarven noble female forever. I can see it being more likely that he would be working for someone else, selling their stock, while that person hints that he should marry his daughter. But I can't see them moving forward that quickly. Marriage is an awfully big step to make with someone you've only known a few months.

[CalJones]

Time passes faster than we think it does in Origins. The dwarf noble male can visit Orzammar first and his conquest will still have had a baby by the time he returns. Jowan can somehow manage to escape the mage tower, spend time on the run, get caught and imprisoned then sent to Redcliffe to poison Eamon all in the time it takes for the PC to get to Lothering. I guess we can assume that it takes some time for the PC and Duncan to reach Ostagar, and a long time for the PC and Alistair to recover from their wounds and then sneak past all the darkspawn in the Korcari Wilds.



Niall and Ruck would be the most depressing for me but I certainly feel badly for Jowan, Lily, Hespith, the HN's family and pretty much any guard who I have to slaughter just because he's had the bad luck of signing on with the wrong employer. Kind of reminds me of the henchman sequence in Austin Powers...

[Efesell]

Time seems weird sometimes. It seems to take months for the DN and Duncan to reach Ostagar, and then later we go from Redcliffe to Denerim in like 2 days.

[Deuterium_Dawn]

Nhadalie wrote...

There's a lot of very depressing characters in both Origins and Awakening.

Tamlen, Leske, Gorim, Oghren, Jowan, Oren, Cullen and Niall. I always feel terrible about all of them.

Hespith and Laryn(The broodmother) always creeped me out more than anything. It's horrific what Branka let happen. And it's even worse how she used it to her advantage. Personally, I think the situation is worse for a female PC. Because you literally get to see something that could happen to your character in the future if you don't actually die.(I'm not sure if Grey Wardens can become broodmothers. But they definitely become ghouls if they don't die fighting eventually.) But that entire situation is just so awful. It was easily the scariest thing I've ever experienced in a game. The fact that I played it late at night definitely didn't help any.

Aren't wardens immune to the taint? But I'd have to agree, Branka letting the darkspawn turn her people into broodmothers is incredibly disturbing. And hespith partway through being infected by the taint, ugh.

Most depressing though...I'm going to say Irving here. He just seems so broken afterwards, even if you save the Circle.

Modifié par Deuterium_Dawn, 24 mars 2010 - 05:26 .

[Godak]

@Sarah1281: I totally forgot about Fergus! He takes the cake, I think.

[Sarah1281]

Time passes faster than we think it does in Origins. The dwarf noble male can visit Orzammar first and his conquest will still have had a baby by the time he returns. Jowan can somehow manage to escape the mage tower, spend time on the run, get caught and imprisoned then sent to Redcliffe to poison Eamon all in the time it takes for the PC to get to Lothering. I guess we can assume that it takes some time for the PC and Duncan to reach Ostagar, and a long time for the PC and Alistair to recover from their wounds and then sneak past all the darkspawn in the Korcari Wilds.

Yeah, I get the feeling the canon sequence of events is first Redcliffe like Alistair suggested to check on political situation, then Circle to save Connor since the Templars haven't gotten around to dealing with the Abominations yet and Wynne had just gotten back from Ostagar, Urn of Sacred Ashes, Dalish, Orzammar. If you don't stick close to that order then things get really confusing.

[Kryyptehk]

The widow Filda. I feel so incredibly sad for her every time I talk to her. She doesn't have a clue about what happened to her child, and she wouldn't think of Ruck as a man lost in the Roads; she would think of him as her little boy lost amongst the darkspawn. I was truly hoping to find a body when I first went looking for him.

[Nhadalie]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Aren't wardens immune to the taint? But I'd have to agree, Branka letting the darkspawn turn her people into broodmothers is incredibly disturbing. And hespith partway through being infected by the taint, ugh.

Most depressing though...I'm going to say Irving here. He just seems so broken afterwards, even if you save the Circle.

Technically, no. Wardens are not immune to the taint. They're already tainted, therefore they can't be tainted again. That's why they can fight darkspawn without worrying about the blood and such.

The taint ultimately drives Grey Wardens into becoming Ghouls. Many of the older Grey Wardens begin hearing the song of the archdemons/old gods. Which is a sign of becoming a ghoul. As well as them being able to...Understand it sort of. A ghoul is the closest a human, elf or dwarf can come to becoming a darkspawn. Unless of course, they're a woman. In which case, they can become broodmothers if they are.. Well.. Put through that process.

Theoretically, it might be possible for a female Grey Warden to be turned into a broodmother. They're already slowly turning into ghouls as it is. It'd just be a matter of being caught by the darkspawn while trying to get themselves killed around their 30th year of being a Grey Warden. Then being put through the process like Laryn or Hespith were.

[casedawgz]

Do we know that they actually become ghouls? I know Sophia Dryden's facial textures were the same as all the ghouls we see, but she was an abomination.

[Nhadalie]

casedawgz wrote...

Do we know that they actually become ghouls? I know Sophia Dryden's facial textures were the same as all the ghouls we see, but she was an abomination.

It's suggested at. I've yet to see any official confirmation of it however.

But judging from the signs that Grey Wardens begin to show after awhile, they do. The signs are the same as someone who has turned into a ghoul.(Such as with Ruck hearing the archdemon's song, and wanting to follow him. Grey Wardens apparently get similar feelings after enough time of being a Grey Warden.)

Honestly, the whole game is a bit depressing. There is no truly happy ending for anyone. Momentary happiness, sure. And while that is worthwhile, it doesn't make any of the things they go through easier to bare.

Personally, my favorite PCs are the ones who get majorly screwed over psychologically by everything in Origins and Awakening. They start off as very young, naive, idealistic characters who end up trying to find ways to deal with everything they've seen.(I actually have 2 PCs who are like that. Though they're both very different personality wise.)

[Efesell]

I'm not sure if it's ever directly stated but there are only so many possible outcomes when exposed to the taint.