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[Sarah1281]

I also felt bad for King Endrin. It was his favorite child's big day and he was clearly proud that they were a commander now and he sent them off on a side-quest to retrieve an old family heirloom. Well, the shield was found but his heir was suddenly dead and the favorite was standing over the body with two clearly bribed (especially the noble if his hesitation is anything to go by) witnesses claiming that the middle child did it. He doesn't believe a word of it, but the Assembly has also clearly been bribed if the lack of even a show trial is any indication and so he reluctantly exiles them.

Sure he could stop it, but as the King of Orzammar and head of House Aeducan he can't afford to be selfish and tries to think about the bigger picture. If it's a DN origin then at least he can throw his child at the Grey Wardens and hope for the best but if not then he knows that more than likely they will either be killed by darkspawn or turned into a broodmother. And the one who benefits from this the most, the obvious guilty party, is the son he never seemed to like all that much in the first place. Of course, he can't even really claim what Bhelen did was going too far as he did the same thing to his older brother to inherit the throne. And then when it comes out that he's anti-tradition and thus an unfit heir but no one else from House Aeducan is suitable to rule then it makes everything entirely pointless and he just as good as killed his favorite child for nothing.

Then there's Rica. I know that she gets a fairly happy ending if you play DC no matter what yo do, but if you don't...She spent most of her life trying to protect her little sibling - especially if she has a sister and she wants to avoid her having to become a noble hunter as well - and trying to find someone to impregnate her so she'll have a chance at a better life. If its a girl then the child will be useless for that and the noble will have probably lost interest and she'll be stuck with a casteless child to somehow take care of. Her mother's an unrepentent alcholic who routinely verbally abuses her children and her sibling disappeared after entering and doing very well in a proving.

Assuming the only difference in the origin is Duncan isn't there to step in and save the DC, Rica sees her sibling one last time after they kill Beraht for her sake before they are whisked away again to die in Jarvia's prison. The only bright spot in her life is Bhelen and even becoming a member of House Aeducan via her son isn't enough for her mother. Then, if the Warden chooses Harrowmont but doesn't know or care about her existance and thus can't ask that she be looked after, House Aeducan falls in status and she's worthless to them. A good number of the Aeducans get wiped out in Bhelen's rebellion and she could very well end up back on the streets with a formerly noble infant to support.

I've really got to stop metagaming and remembering other origins or dealing with some of these charactes is just too depressing...

Modifié par Sarah1281, 24 mars 2010 - 05:56 .

[Addai]

It's hard to pick just one but I'd have to say Ruck. It made me cry when Zevran killed him. I think it's because my PCs can identify with him. That, and that he says she is like his mother... that always gets me, with the kid in Lothering, too.

[Thalorin1919]

CalJones wrote...

Time passes faster than we think it does in Origins. The dwarf noble male can visit Orzammar first and his conquest will still have had a baby by the time he returns. Jowan can somehow manage to escape the mage tower, spend time on the run, get caught and imprisoned then sent to Redcliffe to poison Eamon all in the time it takes for the PC to get to Lothering. I guess we can assume that it takes some time for the PC and Duncan to reach Ostagar, and a long time for the PC and Alistair to recover from their wounds and then sneak past all the darkspawn in the Korcari Wilds.

Niall and Ruck would be the most depressing for me but I certainly feel badly for Jowan, Lily, Hespith, the HN's family and pretty much any guard who I have to slaughter just because he's had the bad luck of signing on with the wrong employer. Kind of reminds me of the henchman sequence in Austin Powers...

Yeah, you kind of get the feeling that the whole game takes place within a few weeks.

But I think is like...6-12 months. Somewhere in there.

[J-Reyno]

Whoever the broodmother was. She had to eat her husband's face.

I don't think it gets any more tragic than that.

[Efesell]

Addai67 wrote...

It's hard to pick just one but I'd have to say Ruck. It made me cry when Zevran killed him. I think it's because my PCs can identify with him. That, and that he says she is like his mother... that always gets me, with the kid in Lothering, too.

I think it's the "Once you're in the darkness you start to not miss the light so much.. You know.. don't you?" lines that get to me.

[Cypher0020]

I'm a sucker for the sappy family parts of origins



Fergus. Damn. His last happy night at Highever before his family/friends are virtually wiped out. His sister/brother is whisked off and made a GW. He wakes up to find the world as he knew it is gone and the king is dead, and his sibling being a GW is branded a traitor



By endgame his sibling may or may not have died against the archdemon, and if that didn't happen, still the task of rebuilding his land awaits. Plus, no wife or kid to be at his side



Rica- having to **** herself to Berhat. Lost a sibling to the GW's as well. Momentary happiness is producing a son, and the slimmest chance she'll see her sister/brother again



Shiannai- Being kidnapped, raped, and watching your friend get slaughtered, your people maniuplated and sold off would make anyone a little loopy, I'd imagine. Lost a future in-law in the bloodbath and the PC to the Wardens.



In the end though, Ifind it sad that Fergus/Rica/Shiannai will have to watch their sibling/cousin slowly wither from the sickness. I'd imagine, close to their Calling, they'd spend their final days or so with family.... until.. ya know the end and stuff



Rolled a female dwarf commoner the other day, and I fought kicked and screamed outta Orzzamar and begged Duncan to let me stay with Rica! She's too kind to be stuck there!

[Sarah1281]

Non-origin Cyrion Tabris. He lost his wife when humans brutally killed her because she was a warrior and wouldn't keep her head down. She taught their child how to fight and said child isn't very good at keeping their head down either. He's terrified that he's going to lose them like he lost their wife. He pays a hefty sum to import a bride/groom for his child and then on what should be a very happy occasion, he either watches his daughter get kidnapped to be raped along with his niece or his son rushing off to rescue the bridal party with his nephew. Regardless of whether Soris and his child make it back to the Alienage with Shianni, they are soon arrested by the guard and he never sees either of them again. His child is probably executed and his nephew is imprisoned until after he disppears. Despite Shianni telling him not to, he goes into the hospice because of the plague and is sold as a Tevinter slave who could very well end up being sacrificed in a blood magic ritual.



Things are always much more tragic for the characters in an origin that you're not currently playing.

[Vicious]

What I want to know is - If you did NOT do the Elf Origin, Shianni did not escape Vaughn because her cousin was killed and his friend thrown in a dungeon to rot.



So how'd she get out?





Also, I feel bad for the Templar who caught Jowan. From the Mage origin and the realization that Jowan destroyed his phylactery, and this poor guy took off after Jowan when Gregoir commanded and was probably literally on his tail the whole time - and when he finally caught him, he gets jumped by Loghain's cronies.

[Sarah1281]

What I want to know is - If you did NOT do the Elf Origin, Shianni did not escape Vaughn because her cousin was killed and his friend thrown in a dungeon to rot.



So how'd she get out?

So Soris and CE get captured or die because no one has any weapons and Duncan isn't around to lend them some? That makes sense.



Shianni wasn't being held prisoner. She and the other women were abducted for one night of sexual abuse and then sent home the next day. It's strongly implied that this kind of thing has happened before.

[Efesell]

In that scenario she was presumably just released once he was.. finished. He intended this much during the origin until you intervene.

[Ponce de Leon]

Ruck yes. Poor guy. He also says one of the best lines for the Grey Wardens, something like "Grey like the stone, guardians of the darkness..." and adds another line if PC is female "Beautiful like lichens under the waterfall" or something. One of the most epic descriptions ever. Still, if I say a wrong line and if he attacks me, I won't think twice before reloading. Really, I hope he could find some kind of happiness should Filda go back to him.

[Raiil]

I wanted to add that I agree with the charmed Templar in the tower. That was what ultimately sealed my PC's absolute hate for the Chantry- the realisation that many templars are probably trapped in the way mages are. When considered with Alistair's story of being forced in, it made the man's desire much more poignant, since there stood a good chance that he was just a boy dumped on the Chantry and shunted into a life he never wanted.





I also felt horrible for the man- Keenan? the Warden that you find in the Silverite mines- who wants you to take the ring back to his wife. I was less appalled by the fact that she was cheating on him, although I found that distasteful, and more on how she seemed to blame him on it. He gave his life keeping Thedas safe, you ungrateful ****, you need to staple your legs shut, or at least care that he died.

[Sarah1281]

I also felt horrible for the man- Keenan? the Warden that you find in the Silverite mines- who wants you to take the ring back to his wife. I was less appalled by the fact that she was cheating on him, although I found that distasteful, and more on how she seemed to blame him on it. He gave his life keeping Thedas safe, you ungrateful ****, you need to staple your legs shut, or at least care that he died.

I know. When I just passed on word for word the message he wanted to deliver before he inexplicably died of 'I have nothing more to add to the plot' syndrome, she started in on me about how she never wanted this life and she would have been better off back in Orlais. Seroiusly, it's not like I had anything to do with him being there. And mayber she should have had this talk with him BEFORE they left? Maybe stayed in Orlais if they couldn't come to an agreement?



And, of course, Nathaniel. His dialogue when clicking on the statue after doing his personal quest was a lot more bitter than it was before doing it, that's for sure.

[Raiil]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I also felt horrible for the man- Keenan? the Warden that you find in the Silverite mines- who wants you to take the ring back to his wife. I was less appalled by the fact that she was cheating on him, although I found that distasteful, and more on how she seemed to blame him on it. He gave his life keeping Thedas safe, you ungrateful ****, you need to staple your legs shut, or at least care that he died.

I know. When I just passed on word for word the message he wanted to deliver before he inexplicably died of 'I have nothing more to add to the plot' syndrome, she started in on me about how she never wanted this life and she would have been better off back in Orlais. Seroiusly, it's not like I had anything to do with him being there. And mayber she should have had this talk with him BEFORE they left? Maybe stayed in Orlais if they couldn't come to an agreement?

And, of course, Nathaniel. His dialogue when clicking on the statue after doing his personal quest was a lot more bitter than it was before doing it, that's for sure.

I've never done the statue thing after doing his personal quest- I shall have to remember to try it next time.



As for the wife, I have never prayed harder for a 'slap the hell out of this person' option when I heard what she had to say. She rates up there with Isolde in the 'people my do-gooder mage would beat up without a second thought' list.

[Metallic Skin]

Reyno411 wrote...

Whoever the broodmother was. She had to eat her husband's face.

I don't think it gets any more tragic than that.

This made me lmfao.

[sylvanaerie]

Niall, poor kid he tried so hard but his body/spirit wasn't up to the caliber his heart was. And he felt bad for leading his freinds to their doom too.

Ruck, I got kids myself and I can imagine what Filda is feeling but I lied to her and told her he was dead. The whole "She remembers a little boy with a hammer" thing always chokes me up.

Oren. When Howe dies I wanna turn to Wynne and tell her rez him so I can stab him in the face again...then do it again and again. And that whole foreshadowing line about that baby seeing a sword up close real soon *Shudders*

Shianni The crap hole that is her life would have broken a lesser person but she has a spirit that can survive a brutal rape and exploitation of the people she loves.

Irving (oddly enough) is VERY tragic if you save the Circle only to turn in the mages at the end to Gregoir. Its like he has just given up at that point. He seems so old.

Duncan. Doing a thankless, pissy job, lousy hours no pay and in the end it gets him killed yet he handles it with grace and as much dignity as he can afford. Riordan even says the only way Duncan fails himself is by caring about his recruits too much. I really believe he IS sorry about Jory, not just about killing him but about drawing him into the whole GW mess in the first place. In the end I think it was half looking up at the signal fire knowing no help was coming and also thinking "The kids...did they make it?"

Amethyne I didn't know who this kid was till I spoke to Iona. I want so badly to help her, to do SOMEthing on my HN but all I can do is click her and know shes probably going to die without her mama (she is also sick, if you click on her multiple times she will cough). Then I wanna kill Howe again.

Lots more, the templar enthralled by the demon, Lily (who may have been in the same boat) who's only real crime was loving the wrong man, Connor, caught up in a grown up situation trying to help and making things much worse. That dwarf girl (her name escapes me) with the casteless baby her parents want her to abandon. She's just a mom who loves her little boy. Damn dwarves that whole caste thing pisses me off. I always tell her "Just go to the surface" cause going back to her family...uhhh yea considering her dad calls his grandchild "it" yea her boy will have a really swell life *Facepalms*

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 24 mars 2010 - 08:54 .

[Suzene]

Oghren. Spend all that time bucking him up and building him back into a warrior with some pride and dignity and a family in Origins, just to have him abandon his wife and little baby and go back into his cups and killing in Awakening. Very depressing. I was actually so disgusted with the character that I didn't bother doing his personal quest in the expansion -- spending even more time trying to save Oghren from his own weakness just felt like an exercise in futility.

Modifié par Suzene, 24 mars 2010 - 08:54 .