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[Intelwolves]

Its politics. Not a thing more or less. They are only looking out for themselves. I would not read into anymore than that.

[GuardianAngel470]

The theory that the council is smarter than the let on only holds water as long as you don't remember their ignorance from the first game. In ME1 they literally locked down your ship and actively attempted to prevent you from saving the galaxy. That is stupid, and is also a precedent. The council's ignorance and shortsightedness has a precedent, their inteligence doesn't.

[SnakeStrike8]

I've been nursing a theory that the turian fellow actually resents Shepard-Commander because he saved his life in ME 1 (obviously, this only applies to palyers who preserved the council).

Think it over: For centuries, the turians have been the Citadel's and Council's defenders and have done a great job in all that time. Then the humans come along, stave off a turian fleet and then go on to save the council and be heroes.

Jealous much? Especially given that the turian mindset is to 'hold until relieved or until death', it HAS to sting that the humans got the credit for rescuing the Council (and yes, they got credit. Joining the Council only 26 years after first contact?).

[ObserverStatus]

Why can't they be both?

[Hyper Cutter]

I think they're varying degrees of both, with the turian mostly just being a dick...

[Big I]

They're being dicks

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

I think in ME1 they were partially idiots who thought the idea of reapers was absurd. now... I think they are just being shifty looking around, and then they give you back specter status and tell you to stay in the low profile. To be honest, i think they don't have a plan in place if the reapers do come and such can not do anything about it. They aren't stupid enough to nod "thanks for saving our lives, but that was an super geth warship." In my opinion, I think they are in a delicate situation in which they can not do a lot without people noticing.

[SnakeStrike8]

Shandepared wrote...

BlackFlameGhost wrote...

They didnt tell you anything before that.

Its almost as if Shep being the first human Spectre was bull**** to begin with.

No... nooo! That couldn't be true. You really think the Council would make Shepard a Spectre just because it was politically convenient?

Almost makes you wonder if the council really wanted you to slot Saren in the end. Maybe they were hoping Shepard-Commander would die in action and thus prove forever the incompetence of humans to the galaxy?

[TheUnusualSuspect]

Malysoun wrote...

That's not quite how it works actually.

In real life:
Person A/B have secret level clearance
Person C/D have top secret
Person D cannot share top secret info with A or B due to lack of clearance.
Furthermore, Person C cannot share top secret with D regardless of clearance level due to compartmentalization and "need to know".
Person C is Person D's boss however and as supervisor has a need to know what D's up to in order to supervise so D can share with C.

In this case, the council is C and Shepard is D, they can't share with him because he doesn't need to know in order to do his job, but he can give them info to better make decisions.

...and I suppose that in real life that C would actively deny knowledge of D's activities in a private meeting between C & D, when speaking to D, when C & D are both fully aware of what D is doing?  hmmm?

I read some of the other response above, about the Council not wanting to threaten their place in power by publically acknowledging the threat, but that is complete bogus in the scenario of the Council talking to Shepard.  The Council is NOT talking publically at that point in time, and there is for sure no greater threat to one's position of power than the destruction of one's civilisation.

...or are we honestly expected to believe that privately the Council is happy to accept that the Protheans just mysteriously disappeared for no good reason, with no evidence of the superior race that deafeated the Protheans, no evidence of Prothean occupied planets and cities, aside from a few forgotten relics.  Shep comes along with a message from the Protheans about what happened to them, all recorded on his mission suit recorder (which Shep has in ME1), with multiple witnesses present at each conversational revelation (it's not just Shepards word alone, as must as the ME2 story tries to retcon it as being), and being attacked by warship that appears exactly as the Protheans described it.

I find it all rather disturbingly "convenient" that everyone in the story, aside from Shepard and Anderson, are portrayed as arrogant and ignorant.  Yes, it's a space opera story, but can anyone honestly believe that even in modern day politics that if a country like the USA was threatened with nuclear annihilation, and one of the USA's deep cover operatives diverts a nuclear bomb inbound to Washington DC, that the modern day politicians would still deny that a problem even exists directly to said operative.  In public yes, in private no.  I can't honestly believe that people consider that people as stupid as this actually exist.

Modifié par TheUnusualSuspect, 26 mars 2010 - 03:03 .

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

Malysoun wrote...

That's not quite how it works actually.

In real life:
Person A/B have secret level clearance
Person C/D have top secret
Person D cannot share top secret info with A or B due to lack of clearance.
Furthermore, Person C cannot share top secret with D regardless of clearance level due to compartmentalization and "need to know".
Person C is Person D's boss however and as supervisor has a need to know what D's up to in order to supervise so D can share with C.

In this case, the council is C and Shepard is D, they can't share with him because he doesn't need to know in order to do his job, but he can give them info to better make decisions.

...and I suppose that in real life that C would actively deny knowledge of D's activities in a private meeting between C & D, when speaking to D, when C & D are both fully aware of what D is doing?  hmmm?

well to be honest, most of the time in ME1 it was shoot first or solve situation first, then go to the council and they discuss the results. The Council was acting more as a reaction then "solve this problem."

[BaladasDemnevanni]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

1. ...and I suppose that in real life that C would actively deny knowledge of D's activities in a private meeting between C & D, when speaking to D, when C & D are both fully aware of what D is doing?  hmmm?

2. I read some of the other response above, about the Council not wanting to threaten their place in power by publically acknowledging the threat, but that is complete bogus in the scenario of the Council talking to Shepard.  The Council is NOT talking publically at that point in time, and there is for sure no greater threat to one's position of power than the destruction of one's civilisation.

I find it all rather disturbingly "convenient" that everyone in the story, aside from Shepard and Anderson, are portrayed as arrogant and ignorant.  Yes, it's a space opera story, but can anyone honestly believe that even in modern day politics that if a country like the USA was threatened with nuclear annihilation, and one of the USA's deep cover operatives diverts a nuclear bomb inbound to Washington DC, that the modern day politicians would still deny that a problem even exists directly to said operative.  In public yes, in private no.  I can't honestly believe that people consider that people as stupid as this actually exist.

1. If I'm trying to deny to myself that said event ever happened, then yes I would do everything in my power to fully avoid even a meeting with the individual in question.

2. As I pointed out, Shepard revealed Saren to be a traitor by using a voice recording. The last thing they would need is for Shepard to broadcast their conversation, which would be a possibility. Plus, what's to be gained by conversing with him?

3. Your example does not follow. Nuclear annihilation is something that we dealt with all throughout the Cold War and the world as a whole accepts as being real.

If someone told you that a race of 37 million year-old machines periodically wiped out organic life every 50k years for their own twisted purpose, would you believe them? People don't believe in the reality of Reapers in ME in the way they believe in nukes in our day. All the Council actually saw was a super-advanced ship, leading a fleet of Geth. Sovereign had no verbal contact with them and no one really knew what the Geth had been up to. Believing it to be a 'Geth Warship' is more convenient politically, personally, and economically than thinking we might have to launch a war against a race of machines no one can seem to locate.

[Chimerical Man]

I can honestly kind of see the Council's actions as understandable. As the Asari councilor said on a couple of occasions, "Look at it from our view." They're politicians responsible for maintaining the peace in a galaxy of billions of inhabitants. Looking at ME1: while some evidence of the Reapers was given to the Council, it was nothing concrete enough for them to risk going on a wild goose chase. Should it have proven to be a chimera, the Council would look foolish, and very weak in the eyes of non-Citadel governments, which is obviously dangerous. However, the geth are a clear, combattable threat, as is a simple rogue Spectre such as Saren. The Council may not have wanted to put Shepard in the position to go after him (and frankly, considering how his first mission went, it is a miracle they even did so at all), but look at the circumstances of Shepard's induction. Udina and Shepard both suggested that Shepard's Spectre status would satisfy both parties -- the Council and the human embassy. The Council probably didn't want this, but denying it at the time would have been a blatantly anti-human act, and for the sake of racial pacification, Shepard's induction was the best choice at the time.

Now, look at ME2. The Council has all the reason in the galaxy to believe in the Reapers. And frankly, they probably do. Quite a lot of people probably do. But think about it, would the widespread broadcasting of "Hey, thousands of things like that ship that nearly killed us all are at our doorstep, galaxy! Go team Citadel! We got this!" do any good at all?

The Council trusts Shepard. They know well that he can get the job done. But if they had started showering him in praise for his actions, the acclaimed first human Spectre would start to be seen as the spearhead of "Humanity's conquest of the galaxy," as some races seem to be predicting. Therefore, the Council undoubtedly has -some- notion that Shepard is doing well on his own in ME2, and that little further action or change in attitude would be beneficial at this point.

Either that, or they're as two-dimensional as they first seem, and the fact that they have thier positions at all is a wonder.

[Nightwriter]

It was never the Council's decisions that upset me. I could understand their position.

It was their condescension and their derision for everything that I had to say that was true, crucial, and important.

[Darth Drago]

Neither. They managed to find bits of Sovereign and have spent to much time with those pieces. As a result they have been indoctrinated.



Its the only reason why they could be so two sided with you. Well the other reason would be that the writers just couldn’t think of any better idea other to have the “air quote” bits about the Reapers not being real but heaven forbid anyone say something negative about BioWare here….

[TheUnusualSuspect]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
If someone told you that a race of 37 million year-old machines periodically wiped out organic life every 50k years for their own twisted purpose, would you believe them? People don't believe in the reality of Reapers in ME in the way they believe in nukes in our day. All the Council actually saw was a super-advanced ship, leading a fleet of Geth. Sovereign had no verbal contact with them and no one really knew what the Geth had been up to. Believing it to be a 'Geth Warship' is more convenient politically, personally, and economically than thinking we might have to launch a war against a race of machines no one can seem to locate.

I'd be asking for evidence first.  Yes.  I'd be questioning why the Protheans, whose technology I presently believe I am dependent upon, suddenly disappeared.  Without sufficient evidence, I'd actually be highly skeptical that the Protheans even built the relays and the Citadel.

If I were in governance, and someone comes along with recorded evidence of the Reapers as described by the Protheans (and it was recorded, despite ME2 retconning it to not be), with multiple witnesses, and someone like Liara and others digging up evidence to suggest that such a cycle existed, and then a super warship using technology that defies EVERYTHING that is presently understood, even of my own technology and the alleged opponets (Geth), and said machine prepares to blow through an entire fleet, and it would take an absolute plot-device derived abject idiot to not consider that there was a pattern here, whether I wanted to believe it or not.

The point is that the way the council presents itself, and its actions, are those of asinine plot-driven stupidity that insults the intelligence of anyone who thinks one step beyond swallowing the story and trying to make excuses for why it is the way it is.  It's the sort of story that a 12yo thinks is deep and meaningful.  It's not the sort of story that a galaxy of brilliant minds and thinkers that elevated themselves to space travel and (relative) galactic peace would swallow as being realistic.

In short, the entire Mass Effect universe is presented as being populated with utter drooling blithering ignorant arrogant idiots, and the player is about the ONLY person in the entire galaxy, aside from a handful of others, who fight against such plot manufactured ignorance in spite of fairly overwhelming evidence that the truth is more than "the protheans built all this cool stuff but then disappeared without more than a residiual trace for no reason and we're cool with that despite being directly attacked by one of the very creatures that the Protheans said attacked and wiped them out".

Logical?  No.  Asinine, stupid, and banal?  Yes.

Launching a war?  That is not what the point is.  Gathering intelligence about the threat using operatives well versed in the threat makes sense.  Deny the threat to said operatives does not make sense.  Not in any way, shape, or form.  It's the sort of plot device that insults the intelligence of the audience.

I'll be clear.  I love ME1's story.  I hated how ME2 retcons everyone to be idiots.  The reaction in respect to Shepard and the greater threat, is illogical.  ME2 had to retcon out stuff which was blindingly obvious to ram an insultingly stupid plot device down the audience's throat.

Modifié par TheUnusualSuspect, 26 mars 2010 - 03:55 .

[BaladasDemnevanni]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...


1. If I were in governance, and someone comes along with recorded evidence of the Reapers as described by the Protheans (and it was recorded, despite ME2 retconning it to not be), with multiple witnesses, and someone like Liara and others digging up evidence to suggest that such a cycle existed, and then a super warship using technology that defies EVERYTHING that is presently understood, even of my own technology and the alleged opponets (Geth), and said machine prepares to blow through an entire fleet, and it would take an absolute plot-device derived abject idiot to not consider that there was a pattern here, whether I wanted to believe it or not.

2. The point is that the way the council presents itself, and its actions, are those of asinine plot-driven stupidity that insults the intelligence of anyone who thinks one step beyond swalling the story and trying to make excuses for why it is the way it is.  It's the sort of story that a 12yo thinks is deep and meaningful.  It's not the sort of story that a galaxy of brilliant minds and thinkers that elevated themselves to space travel and (relative) galactic peace would swallow as being realistic.

3. In short, the entire Mass Effect universe is presented as being populated with utter drooling blithering ignorant arrogant idiots, and the player is about the ONLY person in the entire galaxy, aside from a handful of others, who fight against such plot manufactured ignorance in spite of fairly overwhelming evidence that the truth is more than "the protheans built all this cool stuff but then disappeared without more than a residiual trace for no reason and we're cool with that despite being directly attacked by one of the very creatures that the Protheans said attacked and wiped them out".

4. Logical?  No.  Asinine, stupid, and banal?  Yes.

1. I believe your point was that the Council should be blunt with Shepard. My counter was to show, even if they both supposedly acknowledged the Reaper threat, being blunt is dangerous. The Saren voice-recording clearly shows the dangers of speaking freely, and I doubt they would forget that.

But all that evidence you're talking about is non-existent. At least to the Council. They don't have your visions, your conversation with Sovereign or with Vigil. All they ultimately have is your word, not a recording like at the Saren trial and they were skeptical of the Reapers to start with. Sovereign, the Reaper, did not arrive with a Reaper fleet, but a 'Geth' fleet. If I saw that, my first thought is not going to be "Reaper!'. Just 'wtf' and wonder what the Geth have built. And civilizations rise and fall all the time- but people don't go around claiming that they were wiped out by machines.

2. On the contrary, it's how politicians think. Rather intelligent politicians who've managed to keep all the associate races under their rule. But to them and the average citizen, believing in this 'Reaper threat' is not easy to swallow. Believing it's a Geth construct means they don't have to deal with war, death, and destruction on a galactic scale. But the fact is, until I hear Sovereign speak, I really have no reason to believe it's anything more than a warship, as we assumed before.

3. So, out of curiosity, knowing that the Reapers existed and that you had visions, did you make the connection that Saren's warship was a Reaper when you first saw it- or after conversing? If after the conversation, how can you expect the Council, who've never interacted with Sovereign, to swallow that- and make the galaxy swallow it as well? I mean, how does your average person, who may have only seen the 'Reaper', on his tv swallow that? It's political suicide (and politicians love power) with the 'minor' chance that something may get done.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 26 mars 2010 - 04:06 .

[BaladasDemnevanni]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

I'll be clear.  I love ME1's story.  I hated how ME2 retcons everyone to be idiots.  The reaction in respect to Shepard and the greater threat, is illogical.  ME2 had to retcon out stuff which was blindingly obvious to ram an insultingly stupid plot device down the audience's throat.

Again, you're thinking about this question with the scope of the entire ME universe and treating the Geth like everyone sees them on a daily basis. Remember, no one had seen them beyond the Perseus Veil in several hundred years. You're thinking about this question how Shepard would- whose memories, conversations, expertise, etc. all point to the existence of the Reapers. As a run of the mill citizen, all you see is a picture of Sovereign on the TV screen along with a fleet of Geth. And your politicians start telling you that it's part of a millenia old species of machines which exterminate all organic life. I would honestly be saying 'wtf?'

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 26 mars 2010 - 04:10 .

[TheUnusualSuspect]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
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Perhaps you weren't aware that every mission is recorded via Shepard's omni-tool, and all interactions with any entity will be recorded.  ME2 tries to retcon and/or ignore this important bit of technology, despite its ability being made reference to multiple times.  Now, please review what you wrote, while considering that Shepard has a recording of everything that took place, and there really were more witness than just Shepard to every single event.

Seriously, I really do think people are quite happy to swallow absolute tripe if it means defending the plot-hole ridden story that they love.

Hey, if people are happy to accept that "all politicians are idiots" because it makes you feel good to believe that, and operate within a very limited and narrow minded viewpoint of the world, go right ahead.  ME2 is clearly targetted towards such incorrect prejudices.

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
 As a run of the mill citizen, all
you see is a picture of Sovereign on the TV screen along with a fleet
of Geth. And your politicians start telling you that it's part of a
millenia old species of machines which exterminate all organic life. I
would honestly be saying 'wtf?'

We are NOT talking about "run of the mill citizens" here.  Never are.  Never was.  Please keep focus on the topic.  We're talking about the Council and Shepard.   The Council is aware of Shepard's work.  The Council has Shepard's omni-tool recording of all of Shepard's missions and interactions.  The Council has the omni-tool recordings and verbal accounts of all of Shepard's team-mates present on all missions.  Everything that Shepard said, did, recorded, experienced, came to pass with the attack on the Citadel by Sovereign.  In ME2, the Council is talking to Shepard, Shepard alone, and denies the mountain of evidence that culminated in a direct threat to their own lives, to the one operative that they promoted to Spectre status, to investigate the threats to galactic stability and do the jobs that the public don't want to know about.

Now once, again, considering the playing field here, and who the players are and the roles that they represent, and the total of the audience size in said converstion, is the Council's reaction to Shepard logical, "dicks", or strategic?  It is none of the above.  It is asinine plot-driven stupidity.

Modifié par TheUnusualSuspect, 26 mars 2010 - 04:52 .

[battle hunger]

The most logical conclusion to their stubbornness would be the fact that they refuse to let any information to someone who is known to be currently affiliated with an avowed enemy of the council.



Think about it for one second, they got betrayed once by their best spectre, and now their current best has gone missing for 2 years and suddenly come back with a bunch of rumors that has him working with an enemy. Would you, as a councilor, in charge of millions of lives and peacekeeping, go spout information to this spectre about how you are preparing your military forces for the upcoming conflict? I certainly would not, and denying the existence of the threat is the best way to fend off any questioning and slip ups to the said agent. In fact I was surprised I was given the option to be reinstated as a spectre.



If you listen to the news casts on the citadel, you hear now and then how the council pressure the alliance to meet his military quotas since they're now a council race. Part of me thinks the rest of the council races are so adamant about this is because they're actually preparing for the coming conflict.

[TheUnusualSuspect]

battle hunger wrote...

The most logical conclusion to their stubbornness would be the fact that they refuse to let any information to someone who is known to be currently affiliated with an avowed enemy of the council.

I might agree with you, if not for the fact that they were prepared to re-instate his Spectre status.  If that's not tantamount to a political endorsement of Shepard's involvement with Cerberus, I don't know what is.  There's also the thread around here about how Cerberus really isn't "rogue", and really isn't a political enemy of the state, but exists more for political expediency as an acknowleged and valid politically influenced group.

Reinstating Spectre status, and let's remember here that a Spectre is representative of the most trusted secret service arm of the Council, for which Shepard is all to happy to tell anyone on the Citadel that he meets that he's still a Spectre (a Spectre wearing a Cerberus logo no less!), then sorry, it doesn't wash that the Council really is all that concerned with Shepard's involvement with Cerberus, other than pretending like it's an issue for the sake of appearances.

So, either they trust Shepard enough to reinstate his Spectre status, and hence can discuss the Reapers freely with him, or if not freely, at least to encourage information sharing about them, or they don't trust him at all in which case they wouldn't even bother meeting with him, period.

Modifié par TheUnusualSuspect, 26 mars 2010 - 08:02 .

[TheLostGenius]

There's a reason they are dead on default. That said they are simply passive about the human colony in the terminus systems. The citadel council doesn't rule the galaxy, just the Attican Traverse sector. If they moved their military near the terminus system it would trigger massive wars with hostile factions. Wars that the citadel cannot afford. 

[BaladasDemnevanni]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

1. Perhaps you weren't aware that every mission is recorded via Shepard's omni-tool, and all interactions with any entity will be recorded.  ME2 tries to retcon and/or ignore this important bit of technology, despite its ability being made reference to multiple times.  Now, please review what you wrote, while considering that Shepard has a recording of everything that took place, and there really were more witness than just Shepard to every single event.

2. Seriously, I really do think people are quite happy to swallow absolute tripe if it means defending the plot-hole ridden story that they love.

3. Hey, if people are happy to accept that "all politicians are idiots" because it makes you feel good to believe that, and operate within a very limited and narrow minded viewpoint of the world, go right ahead.  ME2 is clearly targetted towards such incorrect prejudices.

1. Please don't feed me this "ME2 is crap" line. If you think that, fine but everything you've pointed out can be applied to ME1 as well. I am aware of that mission recordings, and I'm also aware that it's a minor detail listed in a codex entry. Is that a plot hole? Technically, yes. But this is an example of people over-thinking story lines and is an inconsistency that I could apply to ME1. Hell, if I go to Virmire, I technically record that dialogue with Sovereign. Why couldn't I just show that to the Council after they grounded my ship, right? Following your retarded line of reasoning, ME1 is just as guilty of this plot hole. ME2 just kept with the style.


2. Hmm, no arguments of any value. I could say the same about you, or ME in general. As a Kotor fan, I could accuse ME of dumbing down the RPG genre.

3. Study politics for a change instead of 'ME2 inconsistencies'. You might have better luck with World War II. Politicians wanted to ignore that Germany was arming for war and granted the country so many concessions. The diffence is in World War II there was plenty of evidence to believe Germany would become trouble. The extent of the evidence of Sovereign's existence in ME is...a ship.

1. We are NOT talking about "run of the mill citizens" here.  Never are.  Never was.  Please keep focus on the topic. 

2. We're talking about the Council and Shepard.   The Council is aware of Shepard's work.  The Council has Shepard's omni-tool recording of all of Shepard's missions and interactions.  The Council has the omni-tool recordings and verbal accounts of all of Shepard's team-mates present on all missions. 

3. Everything that Shepard said, did, recorded, experienced, came to pass with the attack on the Citadel by Sovereign.  In ME2, the Council is talking to Shepard, Shepard alone, and denies the mountain of evidence that culminated in a direct threat to their own lives, to the one operative that they promoted to Spectre status, to investigate the threats to galactic stability and do the jobs that the public don't want to know about.

We also see in the ME universe that it's possible to create VI's capable of saying all sorts of things. More than anything, this brings ME1 down a peg. That they accepted evidence against Saren merely through a voice recording rings 'plot-hole' to me.

1. Since you're getting so emotional about this, I recommend you re-read my post. From a politician's perspective, if no citizen will believe what they have to say, there's no point in claiming the Reapers exist. So like it or not, what the average person thinks is important. No politician commits political suicide if they think nothing will come of it.

2. Again, why didn't he use any of this 'omni tool evidence' after he was grounded? By your own argument, ME1 fails as much as ME2.

3. Do I have to keep repeating myself? Let me say this one more time, loud and clear otherwise I'm bored with you: Tali's evidence doomed Saren through a voice recording. Why would they risk the opportunity of Shepard doing the same to them?

I'd also like to bring out a counter-example for your 'video recordings'. If someone showed you a video of a 'ghost' or vampire, or any supernatural entity, and said 'Look, vampires exist!' would you believe them? Hell, in our day and age cinema is easily capable of creating something to this effect. I would imagine by the time period of ME, people have only gotten better at it. So if your answer is 'no' you would not believe it, how can you possibly say the Council should believe a video recording? Unless they spoke with Sovereign themselves, disbelieving in the Reaper threat is easily plausible. Get off the ME2 hate.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 26 mars 2010 - 05:00 .

[Destinfire]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
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Perhaps you weren't aware that every mission is recorded via Shepard's omni-tool, and all interactions with any entity will be recorded.  ME2 tries to retcon and/or ignore this important bit of technology, despite its ability being made reference to multiple times.  Now, please review what you wrote, while considering that Shepard has a recording of everything that took place, and there really were more witness than just Shepard to every single event.

Seriously, I really do think people are quite happy to swallow absolute tripe if it means defending the plot-hole ridden story that they love.

Hey, if people are happy to accept that "all politicians are idiots" because it makes you feel good to believe that, and operate within a very limited and narrow minded viewpoint of the world, go right ahead.  ME2 is clearly targetted towards such incorrect prejudices.

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...
 As a run of the mill citizen, all
you see is a picture of Sovereign on the TV screen along with a fleet
of Geth. And your politicians start telling you that it's part of a
millenia old species of machines which exterminate all organic life. I
would honestly be saying 'wtf?'

We are NOT talking about "run of the mill citizens" here.  Never are.  Never was.  Please keep focus on the topic.  We're talking about the Council and Shepard.   The Council is aware of Shepard's work.  The Council has Shepard's omni-tool recording of all of Shepard's missions and interactions.  The Council has the omni-tool recordings and verbal accounts of all of Shepard's team-mates present on all missions.  Everything that Shepard said, did, recorded, experienced, came to pass with the attack on the Citadel by Sovereign.  In ME2, the Council is talking to Shepard, Shepard alone, and denies the mountain of evidence that culminated in a direct threat to their own lives, to the one operative that they promoted to Spectre status, to investigate the threats to galactic stability and do the jobs that the public don't want to know about.

Now once, again, considering the playing field here, and who the players are and the roles that they represent, and the total of the audience size in said converstion, is the Council's reaction to Shepard logical, "dicks", or strategic?  It is none of the above.  It is asinine plot-driven stupidity.

Yes they are talking to shepard alone, and his two companions, but none the less I think thier desire to keep shepard out of the loop is more than plot-driven stupidity, though that may be possible I like to discuss it as if it weren't allows for more creative ideas. I think perhaps the primary reason shepard is kept out of the loop and not told everything even in private is becuase the galaxy is watching him/her. Shepard is the galaxy's most famous specter and that has given shepard allot of attention. You don't store secrects in the spotlight.

Modifié par Destinfire, 26 mars 2010 - 04:55 .