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[scmadsen]

XtremegamerHK47 wrote...

Oh look! Another ignorant bastard, I love those little guys.

Don't let them get you down. I happen to like Ashley, she's just not for me as a LI.

[enormousmoonboots]

Oh, for--can we stop having these arguments? Say it with me, kids. Your enjoyment of your waifu is not invalidated by the fact that someone else has a different waifu. The qualities you find endearing or intriguing may be found abrasive and annoying by someone else. It's all ****ing subjective.

[CmdrFenix83]

XtremegamerHK47 wrote...
Last time I checked, screaming wasnt stating what I believed, and I didnt know stupid or ignorance was a swear. I get hostile if someone attacks something I like, if someone said something that disagrees with you, are you not going to fight your arguement?

Well let's look at those posts you made, shall we, oh diplomatic one?

XtremegamerHK47 wrote...

All I have to say to you is......F*CK YOU.

That's a totally civil way to defend a character you like, isn't it?  Especially since all I did was state my interpretation of her actions on Horizon.  She essentially spits on Shepard and calls him a traitor.  The traitor part is fact, she stated it. 

You don't see me going up to everyone that says they dislike Tali, Garrus, Jack, or Liara and tell them off with extreme hostility, do you?  No.  You attacked me for absolutely no reason.  Simply because I stated fact about Ash's actions on Horizon. 

[Chickenaut]

Take pictures ! Let me grab some popcorn !

[scmadsen]

Chickenaut wrote...

Take pictures ! Let me grab some popcorn !

One of the best lines, is when Joker tells Shepard to take pictures. 

[sipaufade]

 i think the appropriate ramification is a continuation of the loyalty system of me2 in me3 and your me2 LI and me1 li are in your squad and you have to make a choice of who dies, similar to a choice you had to make in me1 with kaiden and ashley. you probably chose your li and you'll probably have to do the same thing in me3

[Xaijin]

She only shoots Wrex of her own volition. She's racist and her saying she's not doesn't change anything in any other form or another, especially in light of the way she says it. She has admirable qualities and she's the very definition of loyal to the end soldier, and she's also broken and junk in the trunk full of baggage, way more than any other Squad Character in the game, and unlike Pressly, she's won't be changing her outlook any time soon... Mostly cause she's vaporized. BioWare is to be commended on both counts for making a character that elicits an emotional response even if it's negative. Nontheless, her flaws are rather apparent and not by accident.

Modifié par Xaijin, 24 mars 2010 - 08:26 .

[eternalnightmare13]

scmadsen wrote...

Chickenaut wrote...

Take pictures ! Let me grab some popcorn !

One of the best lines, is when Joker tells Shepard to take pictures. 

LOL Yeah, I can picture Joker watching via survalience cameras.

[CmdrFenix83]

Xaijin wrote...

She only shoots Wrex of her own volition. She's racist and her saying she's not doesn't change anything in any other form or another, especially in light of the way she says it. She has admirable qualities and she's the very definition of loyal to the end soldier, and she's also broken and junk in the trunk full of baggage, way more than any other Squad Character in the game, and unlike Pressly, she's won't be changing her outlook any time soon... Mostly cause she's vaporized. BioWare is to be commended on both counts for making a character that elicits an emotional response even if it's negative. Nontheless, her flaws are rather apparent and not by accident.

Well, in Ash's defense, Shepard *does* tell her to be ready just in case.  She's not really doing that on her own, she was ordered to watch him and shoot him if it looks like he'll do something.

[Xaijin]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

She only shoots Wrex of her own volition. She's racist and her saying she's not doesn't change anything in any other form or another, especially in light of the way she says it. She has admirable qualities and she's the very definition of loyal to the end soldier, and she's also broken and junk in the trunk full of baggage, way more than any other Squad Character in the game, and unlike Pressly, she's won't be changing her outlook any time soon... Mostly cause she's vaporized. BioWare is to be commended on both counts for making a character that elicits an emotional response even if it's negative. Nontheless, her flaws are rather apparent and not by accident.

Well, in Ash's defense, Shepard *does* tell her to be ready just in case.  She's not really doing that on her own, she was ordered to watch him and shoot him if it looks like he'll do something.

There are three outcomes, and one of them is of her own volition, against orders. Shepard also says 'shoot", "not wound and stand over shooting repeatedly."

[CmdrFenix83]

Xaijin wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

She only shoots Wrex of her own volition. She's racist and her saying she's not doesn't change anything in any other form or another, especially in light of the way she says it. She has admirable qualities and she's the very definition of loyal to the end soldier, and she's also broken and junk in the trunk full of baggage, way more than any other Squad Character in the game, and unlike Pressly, she's won't be changing her outlook any time soon... Mostly cause she's vaporized. BioWare is to be commended on both counts for making a character that elicits an emotional response even if it's negative. Nontheless, her flaws are rather apparent and not by accident.

Well, in Ash's defense, Shepard *does* tell her to be ready just in case.  She's not really doing that on her own, she was ordered to watch him and shoot him if it looks like he'll do something.

There are three outcomes, and one of them is of her own volition, against orders. Shepard also says 'shoot", "not wound and stand over shooting repeatedly."

That's not against orders.  He told her to watch him.  If she shoots him without being ordered to, then she did so to prevent Wrex from shooting Shepard.  That was the entire reason Shepard had her watching from the side, was to cover his ass if he couldn't talk Wrex down.

Shepard's order to shoot is the same as taking the shot himself, it's meant to kill him.  He's a Krogan.  Shooting him in a spot to incapacitate him would result in him getting back up seconds later in a blood rage.  That would be *bad*. 

[LPPrince]

I cared for Ash in ME1, but I cared for Tali too.



I stuck with Ash since Tali was unavailable.



Then she shows up, calls me a traitor, practically spits on my face and then apologizes with an email.



SCREW THAT.



When the inevitable, "How could you do this to me?" convo pops up in ME3, I'm just going to repeat the same thing back at her.



Ash isn't a racist. But she's brash. Lets emotions overcome her.



And doesn't trust me after EVERYTHING WE DID.



At least Tali trusted me. That, and Tali wanted what I wanted throughout ME1.



I'll stick with the quarian princess for life, thanks.

[Xaijin]

Specious and circumstantial on both counts. Wrex never even enters the blood rage, and to whit asks you to explain why he should like the plan you have in mind rather than make you eat shotgun right there. Wrex also doesn't shoot you, depsite being surrounded by Salarians who are really eager to do a mini repeat.

Ash doesn't know any more than anyone else that Wrex will or won't shoot, she just decides to decide for you.

As stated: pobody's nerfect, but Ash is a walking encyclopedia of why "aliens hate humanity", and the kind of person who spends years justifying horrible things done to normal people as validation for her choices. I won't miss her.

Modifié par Xaijin, 24 mars 2010 - 08:47 .

[scmadsen]

Tali is a bit of a special case...The other ME2 "romances" are more like. "Hey, we might die, wanna do it?"

Modifié par scmadsen, 24 mars 2010 - 08:48 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Xaijin wrote...

Specious and circumstantial on both counts. Wrex never even enters the blood rage, and to whit asks you to explain why he should like the plan you have in mind rather than make you eat shotgun right there. Wrex also doesn't shoot you, depsite being surrounded by Salarians who are really eager to do a mini repeat.

Ash doesn't know any more than anyone else that Wrex will or won't shoot, she just decides to decide for you.

As stated: pobody's nerfect, but Ash is a walking encyclopedia of why "aliens hate humanity", and the kind of person who spends years justifying horrible things done to normal people as validation for her choices. I won't miss her.

She decides for you, because you told her to.  Perhaps it would have been more prudent to tell Kaiden to cover you than Ashley?  We dont' get that choice in-game though.  You can't tell a grunt "Shoot him if it looks like he'll become hostile" and then blame her when she pulls the trigger.  You just can't. 

Now, whether or not she enjoyed it, I won't comment, because I've never had her shoot him.  The one character he died on, I killed him myself.

[Chickenaut]

Umanix wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Oh, for--can we stop having these arguments? Say it with me, kids. Your enjoyment of your waifu is not invalidated by the fact that someone else has a different waifu. The qualities you find endearing or intriguing may be found abrasive and annoying by someone else. It's all ****ing subjective.

This. Seriously, guys and gals. How did it go from talking about whether or not pursuing a romantic interest in the second game was cheating on the LIs from the first game to...well...whatever it is that's going on in here? 

Can we try to stay on topic and not try to invalidate each other's opinions, please?

Can't really comment on whether or not I saw it as cheating--my import Shepard didn't have an LI from the first game. So, I didn't "cheat." I think it *is* a little irritating that you can't break it off with a former LI officially--the only way to break it off appears to be cheating on 'em. 

That's kind of disappointing. I should be able to break their hearts just like I can break the hearts of the LIs in this game, dang it.  

Oh, and if you did cheat on them in this game, I really hope Shepard can't smooth talk the LIs from the first game back into a relationship. I mean, how appealing does "It was just sex. HONEST! You're the only one that makes it meaningful" sound? To be fair, the second game LIs should be equally disgusted by Shepard's attempt to chalk it up to "just sex" and break it off with him/her, effectively making the night before the final stand against the Reapers roneriest night of the Commander's life, ever. 

You spoilsport! This is getting better and better!

[CmdrFenix83]

scmadsen wrote...

Tali is a bit of a special case...The other ME2 "romances" are more like. "Hey, we might die, wanna do it?"

That's not true.  Jack and Thane both seem like real romances as well if you follow through on them properly.  Garrus's starts out like that, but might have turned into more at the end, we can only speculate, as he doesn't even comment on it after the mission.  Jacob was after his priiiiiize, and Miranda's... well Miranda's seems spot on with your assessment.

[LPPrince]

It would ROCK if we could explain to our ME2 LI's why we left our ME1 LI's specifically.



Ash-



Paragon=It was two years. She's the kind of person that needs stability.

Neutral=It was never anything more than a fling. She knew that.

Renegade=She's a total biatch. I'd leave her again if I could.



Kaidan-



Paragon=Kaidan couldn't handle my death. We had to move on.

Neutral=It was a fling(same dialogue with Ash)

Renegade=HA! I would never stick with him, he was a pansy!



Liara-



Paragon=Liara lost her mom AND me. I couldn't have her go through more pain.

Neutral=Fling.

Renegade=Did you see how she changed? She's not Liara anymore.

[Xaijin]

I'm not blaming her for anything. I'm noting her taking rather apparent pleasure in eliminating a teammate completely out of their element and and known to be pretty damn dangerous. You can call it karma for Fist, you can call it a misunderstanding, but when taken in the context of all the other things she says and does, like considering Liara a literal threat, and getting butthurt when chosen for an off tangent yet completely crucial mission to save lives instead of following orders like she's supposed to, etc etc. As stated, Bioware is to be commended for eliciting an active reaction which in this case happens to be: "out the airlock at the first opportunity".

[CmdrFenix83]

Xaijin wrote...

I'm not blaming her for anything. I'm noting her taking rather apparent pleasure in eliminating a teammate completely out of their element and and known to be pretty damn dangerous. You can call it karma for Fist, you can call it a misunderstanding, but when taken in the context of all the other things she says and does, like considering Liara a literal threat, and getting butthurt when chosen for an off tangent yet completely crucial mission to save lives instead of following orders like she's supposed to, etc etc. As stated, Bioware is to be commended for eliciting an active reaction which in this case happens to be: "out the airlock at the first opportunity".

I was just defending her following of orders.  Beyond that... well... I'm not gonna defend her, myself.  The only reason she lives on many of my playthroughs is because I wanted a soldier for missions, and she was the only option if I wasn't one myself.

[Xaijin]

LPPrince wrote...

It would ROCK if we could explain to our ME2 LI's why we left our ME1 LI's specifically.

Ash-

Paragon=It was two years. She's the kind of person that needs stability.
Neutral=It was never anything more than a fling. She knew that.
Renegade=She's a total biatch. I'd leave her again if I could.

Kaidan-

Paragon=Kaidan couldn't handle my death. We had to move on.
Neutral=It was a fling(same dialogue with Ash)
Renegade=HA! I would never stick with him, he was a pansy!

Liara-

Paragon=Liara lost her mom AND me. I couldn't have her go through more pain.
Neutral=Fling.
Renegade=Did you see how she changed? She's not Liara anymore.

Would be far more immersive if tailored to each... I can see Liara/Tali being civil, Ash rofl, Jack would smear Ash all over a wall at the first "bitc-" and Miranda and Ash would be probably end with something straight out of Tool Academy.

[eternalnightmare13]

I shot Wrex. Ash is xenophobic, but she's also intelligent, creative, and has a sensitive side once you get to know her character. She's also brash, and has a hot temper. She's a soldier through and through and has a strong sense of duty and loyalty to the Alliance. Seems pretty realistic to me. I don't know anyone irl who doesn't have flaws. That's what attracted me to her as an LI and a character. She wasn't a bubble head. My Shep ran with gangs back on earth, he's no angel either. So who is he to pass judgement on anyone?

Ash's meeting on Horizon was a slap in the face, but it woke my Shep up to who he is. He's not a lackey of Cerebus and doesn't owe them anything. Not the base, not the data, or anything else.

I think that the emails from the LI's show that there is some genuine emotion/attraction left behind. Especially with Kaidan's it did a decent job planting the possibility of getting back together. That they do care.

I think if you feel that way and then turn around hook up with someone else it is cheating. You have feelings for one but are 'sealing the deal' with someone else.
I think there should be consequences for that.

I stuck with Ash because I felt that things weren't completey resovled between her and Shep. I also felt that given the situation going on a suicide run against the Collectors which recquired us to go through a relay no one had returned from it didn't seem like a good idea to 'romance' someone.

Modifié par eternalnightmare13, 24 mars 2010 - 09:05 .