182 réponses à ce sujet

[Gammalfarmor]

I will probably stick with Liara.

My shep fancies her.

[alphax1]

Here's what I'd like...



If single in ME1 and hook up in 2... can't get into yet another relationship... it's either deepen or break up. Same vice versa...



If single in both 1 + 2 can romance anyone... might not be as deep as if you continued a 1 or 2 romance.



If you 'cheated' I voted for 'choose one or the other but it hurts the other's feelings' altho here is where paragon/renegade comes in.. Paragon you are of course able to resolve things with no hurt feelings Renegade = Capt. Kirk...

[CTM1]

Off-topic, but I'm curious about an idea I've seen kicked around here a few times:

JamieCOTC wrote...

Pure speculations here, but for ME1 romances, the consequences of cheating could be dire. Ash or Kaiden could be a SPECTRE sent to bring Shepard's ass down. Cheating on them could push them to go in for the kill.

Not sure if you were implying this or not, but this may be true all on its own, regardless of whether or not you romanced them; the romance would just make it more complicated.

What I'm curious about, is how some people around here (edit) speculate they're actually Spectres. Does it have to do with the alien Council saying something? I've yet to take a playthrough into Mass Effect 2 where I saved them, and the only thing Anderson (and the Illusive Man, for that matter) have to say about Ash and Kaidan are that they've been promoted within the Systems Alliance, and on a top-secret mission for said Alliance. (Which is their post on Horizon, of course.)

It would be an interesting angle to take for those two characters though, I admit.

Modifié par CTM1, 24 mars 2010 - 08:50 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

What I'm
curious about, is how some people around here assume they're actually
Spectres. Does it have to do with the alien Council saying something? I've yet to take a playthrough into Mass Effect 2
where I saved them, and the only thing
Anderson (and the Illusive Man, for that matter) have

to say about Ash and Kaidan are that they've been promoted within the
Systems Alliance, and on a top-secret mission for said Alliance.

Shepard gets reinstated if you save the Council, but Ash and Kaiden aren't made Spectres.

[CTM1]

I never assumed they were. I'm just curious why people speculate that they were.

Modifié par CTM1, 24 mars 2010 - 08:43 .

[crimzontearz]

I am still befuddled by the way people keep defending the ME1 love interests and the rotten way they treat Shepard

[Aedan_Cousland]

CTM1 wrote...

I never assumed they were. I'm just curious why people speculate that they were.

I don't know what ever gave them that impression. Perhaps because they are on a secret mission on Horizon? If so, you don't have to be a Spectre to be on a covert mission. They are there on the Alliances orders, not the Council.

The only squadmate that is likely to become a Spectre IMO, is Garrus.

[Xaijin]

Indeed. He even has the awesome war scars.

[LPPrince]

I wonder what Ashley's going to tell me when she finds out I left her for the one I wanted from the beginning.



The ever loyal Tali.



Same thing for Garrus if you play a femshep. Loyal as hell. Something our old romances aren't.

[syllogi]

crimzontearz wrote...

I am still befuddled by the way people keep defending the ME1 love interests and the rotten way they treat Shepard

For me, the way Kaidan and Ashley act about Shepard working with Cerberus is in line with two characters who are loyal Alliance soldiers who saw the horrible things Cerberus did in the first game.  The fact that Shepard can't bring this stuff up with TIM is far less realistic than Ash/Kaidan's initial reaction to Shepard. 

Shepard also doesn't do a very convincing job of letting Ashley/Kaidan know what the deal is now with Cerberus, and Ash/Kaidan didn't give Shepard much of a chance to explain.  It's like both Shepard and the ME1 love interest are stymied by a contrived plot device to keep them apart -- imagine that! 

As for Liara, I haven't read the comic book, but I'm very interested in what's in store for her character in ME3.  She obviously still cares about Shepard, and there is probably more than "petty revenge" keeping her from joining Shep.

[Collider]

I think it's more ideal for the Tali romance to have not romanced anyone in ME1. I'm sure Tali would like to think that she's your one and only.

[Xaijin]

Liara basically goes to hell and back to get Shepard to the "right" people.

[LPPrince]

Collider wrote...

I think it's more ideal for the Tali romance to have not romanced anyone in ME1. I'm sure Tali would like to think that she's your one and only.

Same.

But I'm looking forward to the ME3 drama, and I want Tali to know I wanted her from the BEGINNING.

She felt the same way I did, but you know, the mask.

She thought I couldn't see past it, and Shepard thought she wouldn't accept him.

[Collider]

LPPrince wrote...
But I'm looking forward to the ME3 drama, and I want Tali to know I wanted her from the BEGINNING.

She felt the same way I did, but you know, the mask.

She thought I couldn't see past it, and Shepard thought she wouldn't accept him.

I'm sure if Shepard is able to do this at all, it will be possible regardless of whether you romanced Ashley or Liara from ME1. I think the ideal romance is without one in ME1, but I would be curious to see how the confrontation would play out in ME3, just not on my canon playthrough.

Modifié par Collider, 24 mars 2010 - 09:06 .

[crimzontearz]

TeenZombie wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...


I am still befuddled by the way people keep defending the ME1 love interests and the rotten way they treat Shepard

For me, the way Kaidan and Ashley act about Shepard working with Cerberus is in line with two characters who are loyal Alliance soldiers who saw the horrible things Cerberus did in the first game.  The fact that Shepard can't bring this stuff up with TIM is far less realistic than Ash/Kaidan's initial reaction to Shepard. 


Shepard also doesn't do a very convincing job of letting Ashley/Kaidan know what the deal is now with Cerberus, and Ash/Kaidan didn't give Shepard much of a chance to explain.  It's like both Shepard and the ME1 love interest are stymied by a contrived plot device to keep them apart -- imagine that! 


As for Liara, I haven't read the comic book, but I'm very interested in what's in store for her character in ME3.  She obviously still cares about Shepard, and there is probably more than "petty revenge" keeping her from joining Shep.

I'm sorry but I call BS on that one.


So Ash and Kaidan are loyal to the alliance, but they are not stupid. The alliance, through Udina, locked the Normandy basically flipping Shepard and the entire crew off, the alliance is responsible for the poor treatment of L2 biotics (before Shepard intervenes), the alliance is responsible for Ashley's name being mudd even tho her grandfather saved thousands of lives by surrendering Xanxi to the Turians, the alliance us responsible in part for discredit Shepard after his death. It's not like they don't know the alliance is not infallible....hell the alliance is OK with aquiescing the will of the council and cover up both the collectors and the reapers......and BOTH Ash and Kaiden KNOW this since they were part of the crew that took Sovereign down and in Horizon they witnessed the collectors personally.


Yet no...oh my god let it never be recognized that the man they fell in love with and that they committed treason for might be doing the right thing this time too. Ultimately this situation is called poor handling becsuse Bioware decided they wanted a confrontation in ME3 so they could high five each others while "tracking the cheaters".


Now Liara is even worse....a plot hole wrapped in an inconsistency and deep fried in covenient writing changes. Hell even AFTER you kill the shadow broker with her she still does not come with you or even aknowledge a past relationship in spite of the effort she put in finding your body AND after being forgiven for it by Shepard himself.....I'm sorry but she shows one to many times what her real priorities are.

[CmdrFenix83]

JamieCOTC wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

I will agree, that I can understand and see your point of view that things could be over between Ashley/Kaiden and Shepard. But clearly Liara still loves Shepard. She is helping Shepard in her own way right now. She even says she wants to go with you but has to do this, for the greater good. (Plot hole, forced by BioWare, to keep her alive.)

She says the same things even if you weren't in a relationship with her.  The only difference between a Liara romance and a Liara friendship is a hug instead of a kiss that she pulls away from.  She has also changed dramatically in those two years.  She isn't the same person she was before.  That encounter could have been very enlightening for Shepard, and can be seen as a catalyst for the relationship being over just as well as it was with the human on Horizon.  Though for different reasons.

The relationship could be over w/ Shep and Liara, but she's still holding the candle.  If you read the comic, it's pretty clear she's still in love w/ Shep.  She risks a lot just for closure. 

The comic takes place almost two years prior to ME2, though.  Liara's reaction to a Shepard she slept with is almost identical to one that wasn't involved with her.  The only difference is a hug instead of a kiss that she pulls back from.  As has been stated, it's open to interpretation how the exchange feels to Shepard.  I looked at Liara and saw her mother standing there(the threat she was making being verbatim to what her mother said was downright creepy), and not the innocent scientist she once was.  I still helped her as best I could, but I still felt that she had moved on from who she was when they were together.

[IccaRa]

LPPrince wrote...

But I'm looking forward to the ME3 drama, and I want Tali to know I wanted her from the BEGINNING.

Somehow I get the feeling that Tali will not be happy that you used another woman and then threw her away "just because."

I was rather disappointed Tali and Garrus had nothing to say about the previous LI (if applicable) anyway, though.

[Collider]

IccaRa wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

But I'm looking forward to the ME3 drama, and I want Tali to know I wanted her from the BEGINNING.

Somehow I get the feeling that Tali will not be happy that you used another woman and then threw her away "just because."

I agree. She'd want Shepard to have her as the one and only, especially considering how dangerous it is for her to be with Shepard.

I was rather disappointed Tali and Garrus had nothing to say about the previous LI (if applicable) anyway, though.

May be laziness on the developer's part, who knows. Fortunately I'm in the clear for this.

[Collider]

crimzontearz wrote...
So Ash and Kaidan are loyal to the alliance, but they are not stupid. The alliance, through Udina,

Uh, Udina isn't the alliance. He' was an ambassador to the council. The Alliance is being leased the Normandy.

the alliance is responsible for the poor treatment of L2 biotics....

For all the faults of the Alliance, Cerberus is even worse. They've tortured children.

[CmdrFenix83]

Collider wrote...

IccaRa wrote...
I was rather disappointed Tali and Garrus had nothing to say about the previous LI (if applicable) anyway, though.

May be laziness on the developer's part, who knows. Fortunately I'm in the clear for this.

Well in the case of Garrus with a Shepard that was with Kaiden, he could have been there when the conversation with Kaiden goes down.  He even tries to help talk some sense into him.  If you played it the way that portrays feelings of hurt and betrayal after the encounter, Garrus could understand and want to be there for you.

Unfortunately, Tali doesn't get this possibility due to being unable to recruit her before Horizon(without hacking the game, which means it's not part of the narrative).

[CmdrFenix83]

Collider wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
So Ash and Kaidan are loyal to the alliance, but they are not stupid. The alliance, through Udina,

Uh, Udina isn't the alliance. He' was an ambassador to the council. The Alliance is being leased the Normandy.

Udina issued the lockdown order.  The ship is an Alliance ship.  The Council tells you repeatedly that it's your job as a Spectre to take care of any threats you see.  Locking out your ship in this case is either Udina being a douche, or the Council being written to go against their own rules.

[Barquiel]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...


The comic takes place almost two years prior to ME2, though.  Liara's reaction to a Shepard she slept with is almost identical to one that wasn't involved with her.  The only difference is a hug instead of a kiss that she pulls back from. 

She has also different facial expressions if you romance her (for example, during the "it's good to see you" line).

[CmdrFenix83]

Barquiel wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...


The comic takes place almost two years prior to ME2, though.  Liara's reaction to a Shepard she slept with is almost identical to one that wasn't involved with her.  The only difference is a hug instead of a kiss that she pulls back from. 

She has also different facial expressions if you romance her (for example, during the "it's good to see you" line).

Never noticed.  I suppose I've already written off her character entirely by then.

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...


Personally I think all of the LIs should have seen other people while Shepard was dead. Shep was dead for two years. This isn't a couple months we are talking about. Two years is more than enough time to get over the initial heartbreak of Shepard's death, and it is a very long time to go without seeing anyone at all. I think it would be unrealistic if Ashley and Liara hadn't had any relationships or slept with anyone at all.

I hope characters that try to get back with their ME1 love interest (whether or not they romanced someone in ME2) open up dialogue where their ME1 love interest reveals that they had a relationship or two while Shepard was gone, but that it didn't work out for various reasons. Unfortunately that would probably never happen, because many immature gamers that waited for their ME1 LI would be crying that their ME1 LI cheated on them, even though it wasn't cheating.

this needs to be in the game!  let the cry babys cry, this would be cool.
and id love too see the flame war on the forums 

Raphael diSanto wrote...
LOL, yes. Back on topic. We digressed. And yes, my statement changed because I realized I was not explaining myself correctly. By the way, I'm British.

As for the cheating? Well, once again, that's really down to opinion. At what point does it become cheating? At what point does/do the previous relationships cease to exist? From what we can tell, BioWare apparently think that having an LI in ME2 while your LI from ME1 is still alive counts.

haha yeah some crazy people have there own rules, but most things are almost written in stone, everyone knows it and it is logic.
beeing dead for 2 years gives her/him a free pas too screw around.
the way shepard was treated and the emails show prety much they moved on, so why shoudnt you?
thye had a breakup-ish fight at horizon so yeah