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[Nightwriter]

Sixth Goul wrote...

Let change this up a bit. What if you remain content (faithful) or don't and remain with Cerberus? How would this effect the Human relationships.

Interesting question. My suspicion is that your old LI is meant to return in ME3 no matter what, for those who stayed faithful, regardless of your choices about Cerberus.

That would be the height of contradiction, though, wouldn't it? Ashley and Kaidan abandoned you because you were working with Cerberus in ME2.

[Badpie]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

Lonely_Fat_Guy wrote...

haha yeah some crazy people have there own rules, but most things are almost written in stone, everyone knows it and it is logic.
beeing dead for 2 years gives her/him a free pas too screw around.
the way shepard was treated and the emails show prety much they moved on, so why shoudnt you?
thye had a breakup-ish fight at horizon so yeah

Alas, my friend, your opinions about relationships can only be applied to one person - You. By the very fact that you say "most things are almost written in stone" and "everyone knows it" and "it is logic", it is clear that different opinions, no matter how well reasoned, will be ignored.

That said.. In many ways I agree with you - But I think BioWare's wording can be examined carefully here. Cheating is the word used in this thread. However, BioWare didn't use that word when describing ME3 consequences. What BioWare said is that there'll be consequences if you didn't stay faithful. The bold is my emphasis, of course.

There's a very slight (but important) subtle difference between staying faithful and cheating.

If I romance Ash in ME1, and then romance Miri in ME2, I have not stayed faithful to Ashley. I also have not cheated on her, because, as argued, perhaps I do not consider myself to be in a romance with Ashley any longer.

However, you can continue to stay faithful to someone (carrying a torch, as it were) that you are not technically in a relationship with anymore.

You fight on Horizon, before you've gotten the chance to develop a relationship with any of the ME2 squadmates. You receive the apology letter from your ME1 LI before you get the chance to develop a relationship with any of the ME2 squadmates.

Then... When the opportunity for romance comes up with an ME2 squadmate, you must ask yourself the question - "Do I wish to continue down this path, or do I want to wait and see if I can patch things back up with my ME1 romance in the future? He/She did yell at me on Horizon, but they seemed pretty apologetic in the email. Should I try and make that work, because yeah, we did have something special?" (We, the player, knows this means ME3. To Shepard, the character, it's just "sometime in the future")

It's not about not cheating. It's about staying faithful. There's a difference.

I had to quote this because I think this is the exact gist of what everyone needs to think about.  Very well said.  And there's no right or wrong answer.  It's just that this is the issue.  This is what Shepard should be thinking.

[OverlordNexas]

Milician wrote...

In my opinion? Yeah, if you had a relationship in ME 2 after one in ME 1, you cheated. No matter how much Ashley/Kaidan disagrees with Shepard, or how dark Liara has become, we all know that if you stick with them there is going to be something in ME 3. Its not so much that they feel its over while Shepard still hopes, just the situation your in right now isn't one any of them can deal with at the moment.

If you do have a relationship with someone in ME 2, you cheated. I have a clean profile where I stuck with Liara, and one where I cheated with Tali:?. I expect severe consequences for acting unfaithfully. If there isn't any backfire other than a simple, "Well, I guess you've moved on Shepard" I'm gonna be angry. In real life cheating is a big deal. The same concept should be in ME 3.

Why people are so wierd about thinking their innocent for their actions is strange. Cheating is cheating. It's not good in real life, and it certainly isn't going to be easy in a game. Expect the worst people, and be glad Bioware ackowledges real life concepts.

Except I'm not in a relationship, so its not cheating. It is possible for people to have strong feelings for someone even if they are no longer in a relationship. And is just as possible for people who broke up to get back together again. Thats how the ME1 LI are like. If people want to rebuild there former relationships thats fine, but an ex has no right to interfere some ones new love life.

[Nightwriter]

Oh. I thought Bioware did use the word cheating. I thought Casey Hudson said they would be interested in seeing how many players cheat on their old LIs.

[Raphael diSanto]

Nightwriter wrote...

Oh. I thought Bioware did use the word cheating. I thought Casey Hudson said they would be interested in seeing how many players cheat on their old LIs.

Maybe they did. The article I read used the phrase "stayed faithful", but I'll be more than willing to admit that they used the word 'cheating' somewhere else. I mean, I'm sure BioWare have talked about it in more than one location, and it's probably unrealistic to assume every single person at BioWare who could possibly talk to the public about this is on board with the subtleties.

.. I think my point still stands though. While we do (and can, even in this situation) use the words/phrases interchangeably, they do mean something slightly different. The issue of terminology is on the one hand semi-irrelevant because when we, (or BioWare) say 'cheating in ME2' what we actually mean is "the act of pursing an ME2 LI while your ME1 LI still lives" We just slap words like 'cheating' on it because it's shorter and easier to say.

On the other hand is -is- important because of the subtleties involved (which is why I posted what I posted) .. But really, all that matters is what BioWare appreciate that if you've pursed a romance in ME2 while your ME1 romance is still extant, then there will be different content/dialogue/etc available to you.

I'm just glad BioWare -will- be producing content based around the decisions you made that relate to ME1/ME2 romances. That's why I have playthroughs with "cheating" and playthroughs without.

Modifié par Raphael diSanto, 25 mars 2010 - 04:37 .

[GuardianAngel470]

XtremegamerHK47 wrote...

Well, (Speaking for Ash) Ash sends you a e-mail admitting she still has feelings for you, and she doesnt know what will happen between each of you, but she cant lose you again implying she still has feelings for you, which will continue the relationship in ME3.

Why wouldnt you stay loyal to them? The ME2 romances were shallow and not very interesting, conveyed great emotions, but not very interesting. Ash is the best LI IMO and I cant wait for ME3.

Ash the xenophobic ash? ash the pomous, religious Ash?  Ash the cheesy poetry-quoting ash? that is your definition of a meaningful romance?  I mean, to each his own, but Ash?  The ME2 romances are much better.  Three new and actually interesting characters who don't come off as 13 year olds or... or... Heck I don't even know what to call ashley and kaiden.  Boring and abrasive, respectively?  In ME2 you can save someone from themselves, redeem someone's opinion of themselves or pursue a relationship with someone who has liked you for a long time (speaking as a manshep).  The tali and garrus romances are much more meaningful because they have more than one game worth of buildup, much more realistic. 

[Elessara]

Well ... ok to sum up my opinion of the female romances in ME2:



Thane - kinda cliched, lost wife, bad relationship with son. Oh and sorry dude but take responsibility for your actions ok? An assassin is not just a weapon. At any rate, I like the guy but not into the whole lizard thing.



Garrus - maybe but ... he's my friend. My bud, my bro. I just can't do it. Sure, I'd go to the Citadel and get drunk with him but sleep with him? I can't.



Jacob - oh dear god no. Unless I wanted to star in a cheesy porn. Which I don't. Seriously look at the way femshep talks to him or look at the ahem "love" scene. Eeek. Oh and if Miranda is too good for him then femshep is definitely too good for him.



So yeah. I'll be sticking with Kaidan. Unless they bring in someone super interesting in ME3. Which I don't really see them doing. I see ME3 as either a continuation of the ME2 LI or getting back together with the ME1 LI. But you never know!

[Collider]

Nightwriter wrote...

If my old LI shows up in ME3 and acts all indignant and upset, like I betrayed them, I will be so pissed.

I felt royally snubbed by them in ME2. Ashley wasn't loyal enough even to give me the benefit of the doubt. Liara was after the Shadow Broker like Gollum after the One Ring.

And I was never given the option to break it off! That surprised me. I thought for sure this would happen. Naivete, I see now.

I just see this as forcing the player into the confrontation in ME3.