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[Tooneyman]

I'm been wondering. I know their DNA is a little off, but they have basically the same protiens. I should go look at the codex, but I rather have you all tell me. Could tali get inpregnanted by garrus I wonder. I know though her body would adapted better to a turian than a human mate which makes sense. Though shes more likely to die from a turian disease.

[Onyx Jaguar]

The chances would be slim.



You know that song by loverboy, pig and elephant DNA just don't splice.

[devilsgrin]

as far as we've been told, no cross-species breeding is possible, save with Asari, and that only produces Asari offspring.

It wouldn't really make much sense if they were able to... two completely seperate and different species, evolving in vastly different enviromnents, on different planets, in different stellar systems... it makes no sense that they could produce off-spring.

i think we're all just used to the concept of Half-Elves, and the half-klingon, half-betazoid, half-vulcan, blahblahblah that traditional fantasy and sci-fi have foisted off on us a standard.

[Tooneyman]

Thats messed up. Tali is not a pig and Garrus is more of a giant cockroach. The elcor are the elephants.

[Sigma Tauri]

Tooneyman wrote...

I'm been wondering. I know their DNA is a little off, but they have basically the same protiens. I should go look at the codex, but I rather have you all tell me. Could tali get inpregnanted by garrus I wonder. I know though her body would adapted better to a turian than a human mate which makes sense. Though shes more likely to die from a turian disease.

No, they don't. That's why there are quarians and turians.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 24 mars 2010 - 01:40 .

[Tooneyman]

I'm sorry the half elves are the shizz and I think a half turian and half quarian would be interesting to say the least, but what if a human actually impregnanted an asari. The reason I say this is because asari are genetically closer to humans then any other speices besides the batarians who also have a human like body structure.

[Sigma Tauri]

Tooneyman wrote...

I'm sorry the half elves are the shizz and I think a half turian and half quarian would be interesting to say the least, but what if a human actually impregnanted an asari. The reason I say this is because asari are genetically closer to humans then any other speices besides the batarians who also have a human like body structure.

Convergent evolution.

Asari can get impregnated by a human, however without accepting his sex cells. Instead, asari does that stupid mind-meld ****.

Biioware could bull**** you on how an mass effect drive can work, but they couldn't write-in a believable fake biology.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 24 mars 2010 - 01:49 .

[Tooneyman]

monkeycamoran wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

I'm sorry the half elves are the shizz and I think a half turian and half quarian would be interesting to say the least, but what if a human actually impregnanted an asari. The reason I say this is because asari are genetically closer to humans then any other speices besides the batarians who also have a human like body structure.

Convergent evolution.

Asari can get impregnated by a human, however without accepting his sex cells. Instead, asari does that stupid mind-meld ****.

Those this would be interesting if  liara did accept shepards sex cells. The only reason I could see an asari being a half breed with a human is because of the total likeness. Plus shes basically got everything a human woman has at least thats what liara states in ME 1 If I remember correctly. I am going to go back and look at that. 
But if she did accept the human gene scene we might actually see an asari male. Which I think would look cool, but the only way that could happen is she would have to accept a male human gene with the Y cormaso.  Freaky stuff to think about. I could definitely see an asari male. I might even draw it.

[Mnemnosyne]

Quarians and turians are based on the same amino acids. Okay. But they evolved on completely different worlds. Genetically, a human probably has more in common with his pet dog than a turian and a quarian have in common, given the completely different evolutionary paths of the two entirely different species. Saying that because they're based on the same basic structure they could potentially interbreed is even more improbable than saying that a human and his german shepherd could interbreed.



Every life form on Earth is based on the same basics, and it is suspected by some scientists that all of them evolved from a common single-celled lifeform source from which evolution began. That means that we have more in common with any other life form on our planet than a turian does with a quarian, since they didn't even share that same single-celled ancestor.



Mass Effect has so far been wise in keeping it impossible for any interspecies breeding to take place whatsoever, outside of theoretical extreme genetic engineering which may very well be beyond their technological level (and is certainly against the law, as noted in the Codex entry on the topic).

[Sigma Tauri]

Tooneyman wrote...
Those this would be interesting if  liara did accept shepards sex cells. The only reason I could see an asari being a half breed with a human is because of the total likeness. Plus shes basically got everything a human woman has at least thats what liara states in ME 1 If I remember correctly. I am going to go back and look at that. 
But if she did accept the human gene scene we might actually see an asari male. Which I think would look cool, but the only way that could happen is she would have to accept a male human gene with the Y cormaso.  Freaky stuff to think about. I could definitely see an asari male. I might even draw it.

You're assuming that asari nuclear structures are even the same as humans. Their appearance is merely the result of convergent evolution. Coincidental evolutionary paths due to coincidental environments within the gameworld. They may not even have the same chromosome structure. Not even the chromsomes of living things on Earth are the same.

In fact, they likely lack the cell components to accept human sex cells because of the way they have sex.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 24 mars 2010 - 02:00 .

[Steel Dancer]

Tooneyman wrote...
The only reason I could see an asari being a half breed with a human is because of the total likeness.  

Ehh, listen to the Bachelor party convo on ilium. That likeness may not be as total as you might think.

As to the Quarians and Turians breeding together? Mr Genetics says no. There's more likelihood of humans being able to breed with dolphins. Species have to be incredibly closely related to even have a chance of breeding (Tigons and Ligers being good examples).

[Tooneyman]

Koyasha wrote...

Quarians and turians are based on the same amino acids. Okay. But they evolved on completely different worlds. Genetically, a human probably has more in common with his pet dog than a turian and a quarian have in common, given the completely different evolutionary paths of the two entirely different species. Saying that because they're based on the same basic structure they could potentially interbreed is even more improbable than saying that a human and his german shepherd could interbreed.

Every life form on Earth is based on the same basics, and it is suspected by some scientists that all of them evolved from a common single-celled lifeform source from which evolution began. That means that we have more in common with any other life form on our planet than a turian does with a quarian, since they didn't even share that same single-celled ancestor.

Mass Effect has so far been wise in keeping it impossible for any interspecies breeding to take place whatsoever, outside of theoretical extreme genetic engineering which may very well be beyond their technological level (and is certainly against the law, as noted in the Codex entry on the topic).

That does make way more sense than the other argument. As for the biogenetic breeding. I do think how ever if the quarians did breed with another spieces say the humans or the turians their immune systems would change. Why this hasn't been put in the story or the thought pattern makes no sense to me., but tali does state that a quarian adapt better to things sense her body type is that of parasitic value.

[dipdunk]

Shandepared wrote...

You know, if we had decent schools questions like this wouldn't happen.

Amen, brother.

[Tooneyman]

Steel Dancer wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...
The only reason I could see an asari being a half breed with a human is because of the total likeness.  

Ehh, listen to the Bachelor party convo on ilium. That likeness may not be as total as you might think.

As to the Quarians and Turians breeding together? Mr Genetics says no. There's more likelihood of humans being able to breed with dolphins. Species have to be incredibly closely related to even have a chance of breeding (Tigons and Ligers being good examples).

True, but those speices are never able to have off spring.

[Tooneyman]

Steel Dancer wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...
The only reason I could see an asari being a half breed with a human is because of the total likeness.  

Ehh, listen to the Bachelor party convo on ilium. That likeness may not be as total as you might think.

As to the Quarians and Turians breeding together? Mr Genetics says no. There's more likelihood of humans being able to breed with dolphins. Species have to be incredibly closely related to even have a chance of breeding (Tigons and Ligers being good examples).

True, but those speices are never able to have off spring.

[Sigma Tauri]

Tooneyman wrote...

True, but those speices are never able to have off spring.

That's not the point. Tigons and ligers have common origins, and so their parents' somehow (artificially) bypass reproductive barriers. Quarians and turians don't. So, the likelihood of two species that evolved independently on two different worlds is nigh impossible.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 24 mars 2010 - 02:14 .

[Steel Dancer]

monkeycamoran wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

As to the Quarians and Turians breeding together? Mr Genetics says no. There's more likelihood of humans being able to breed with dolphins. Species have to be incredibly closely related to even have a chance of breeding (Tigons and Ligers being good examples).

That's not the point. Tigons and ligers have common origins, and so their parents' somehow (artificially) bypass reproductive barriers. Quarians and turians don't. So, the likelihood of two species that evolved independently on two different worlds is nigh impossible.

...Isn't that what I just said?

[Lemonwizard]

Suggesting that Turians and Quarians could reproduce because they are based on the same amino acids is the same as saying Humans and Grizzly Bears could reproduce because they are based on the same amino acids.







As in, you need way more in common than just that to reproduce.

[Sigma Tauri]

Steel Dancer wrote...
...Isn't that what I just said?

I misquoted you. I hate pyramid quoting.

[Flamewielder]

Given current understanding of genetics, no natural "half-breed" can result from species originating from different worlds.



It is conceivable that a human female could bear an artificially inseminated asari ovum, but this would be an asari baby, not some kind of half-breed. The human female is then simply providing a womb, not her own DNA. The same might be considered in the case of a quarian-turian couple, but the child would have to be either a quarian OR turian (with genetic material provided by a donor of the same species as the mother). Sharing the same proteins is not enough. You'd need to use the exact same acid bases (AGCT for earth species), have the same number of chromosomes, encode the same characteristics on the same chromosome, etc...).



Given the complexity surrounding intra-specie artificial insemination among us humans, I would imagine any such inter-species would be an onerous and difficult medical undertaking. But since we can apparently bring a N7 marine back to life after months in hard vacuum...

[Tooneyman]

Flamewielder wrote...

Given current understanding of genetics, no natural "half-breed" can result from species originating from different worlds.

It is conceivable that a human female could bear an artificially inseminated asari ovum, but this would be an asari baby, not some kind of half-breed. The human female is then simply providing a womb, not her own DNA. The same might be considered in the case of a quarian-turian couple, but the child would have to be either a quarian OR turian (with genetic material provided by a donor of the same species as the mother). Sharing the same proteins is not enough. You'd need to use the exact same acid bases (AGCT for earth species), have the same number of chromosomes, encode the same characteristics on the same chromosome, etc...).

Given the complexity surrounding intra-specie artificial insemination among us humans, I would imagine any such inter-species would be an onerous and difficult medical undertaking. But since we can apparently bring a N7 marine back to life after months in hard vacuum...

Exactly.

[Lemonwizard]

Flamewielder wrote...


Given the complexity surrounding intra-specie artificial insemination among us humans, I would imagine any such inter-species would be an onerous and difficult medical undertaking. But since we can apparently bring a N7 marine back to life after months in hard vacuum...

Raising the dead is actually pretty plausible down the line.



The big thing though is that if his body were as badly damaged as it's suggested it was, there's no way they could restore his brain perfectly like they did, if only because there's no way they would know what way they're rebuilding it in without having an exact copy of Shepard's brain on hand.

[Sigma Tauri]

Flamewielder wrote...
It is conceivable that a human female could bear an artificially inseminated asari ovum, but this would be an asari baby, not some kind of half-breed. The human female is then simply providing a womb, not her own DNA. The same might be considered in the case of a quarian-turian couple, but the child would have to be either a quarian OR turian (with genetic material provided by a donor of the same species as the mother).

If you're going to putting an asari "ovum" into the womb, you might as well modify the ovum exensively to make it human allow it to stick to the uterine walls. Quarians and turians are even worse. How do you think that any nutrient exchange is going to occur if quarians don't even use the same blood chemistry? Hell, developmental biology for the other races is so absent in the game, yet we can assume different enough that the only way it could happen is through a miracle. Yes, cue bringing Shep back from the dead.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 24 mars 2010 - 02:36 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Can a human impregnate a dog? No, so why would a turian be able to impregnate a quarian? They are even further apart genetically.