Now, if you go around the galaxy map a few of the planets you can look at show in their histories that the Quarians tried to petition the Citadel council for colonization rights but for whatever reason got denied.
Now all I have to say is: Really, council? Seriously? Why would you possibly deny colonization rights to a species who no longer posess any planets to live on?
And while we're on the subject: Really, Quarians? Seriously? I understand why you're holding out for the homeworld today because of how long it would take your immune systems to adapt to a new one, but this wasn't a problem 250 years ago. Why did you wait so freaking long?
I just feel like in the ME universe habitable planets are all over the place, there is no clear reason to me as to why the Quarians haven't been able to go live on a single one. Even establishing a settlement on a world already colonized by another species. I'm sure there's dozens of planets like Horizon that only have a few settlements, and a population of 17 million is the size of one major city. There would be plenty of room for them to stay, even if the people who got "first dibs" on the planet only wanted them to stay temporarily until the Quarians found a planet of their own.
Does anybody else think the whole migrant fleet thing is unjustified? I find it silly to believe that they didn't find a single unclaimed habitable planet in 300 years or get help from even one other species' government during that time.
Quarians and a new World.
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Now all I have to say is: Really, council? Seriously? Why would you possibly deny colonization rights to a species who no longer posess any planets to live on?
Why would the Council side in favor of illegal and hostile A.I.'s against a member an ally of the Citadel?
Truly the Council is a noble entity.
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Shandepared wrote...
Lemonwizard wrote...
Now all I have to say is: Really, council? Seriously? Why would you possibly deny colonization rights to a species who no longer posess any planets to live on?
Why would the Council side in favor of illegal and hostile A.I.'s against a member an ally of the Citadel?
Truly the Council is a noble entity.
Well not helping them against the Geth is at least understandable on the grounds that if the Geth are strong enough to drive an entire species nearly to extinction, getting into a war with a power like that would be extremely costly both in terms of resources and loss of life. I can understand not wanting to provoke that.
However, not helping out the Quarians who escaped afterward seems ridiculous.
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Shandepared wrote...
Lemonwizard wrote...
Now all I have to say is: Really, council? Seriously? Why would you possibly deny colonization rights to a species who no longer posess any planets to live on?
Why would the Council side in favor of illegal and hostile A.I.'s against a member an ally of the Citadel?
Truly the Council is a noble entity.
Who said that being dicks to the Quarians means favoring the Geth?
The Geth don't care what the Quarians do outside their space. The Council just like kicking the Quarians when they're down as an example to any other race thinking of making AIs.
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Who said that being dicks to the Quarians means favoring the Geth?
Council history said exactly that. The point is, the Council has no right to hold any grudge against the quarians because the continued existence of the geth, and the threat they pose, is not the quarians' fault alone. The Council had the opportunity to intervene and they didn't. They could have saved countless lives if they'd gotten involved before the geth achieved victory. In fact if they were concerned about the geth being wiped out they could have forced a truce between both sides via' superior firepower.
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yeah i agrea op, besids the quarians suck aswell, get there ass on a planet already and stfu, they have suits so the whole adjusting our weak immuno sytem cry babys should just adept already
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The Angry One wrote...
Shandepared wrote...
Lemonwizard wrote...
Now all I have to say is: Really, council? Seriously? Why would you possibly deny colonization rights to a species who no longer posess any planets to live on?
Why would the Council side in favor of illegal and hostile A.I.'s against a member an ally of the Citadel?
Truly the Council is a noble entity.
Who said that being dicks to the Quarians means favoring the Geth?
The Geth don't care what the Quarians do outside their space. The Council just like kicking the Quarians when they're down as an example to any other race thinking of making AIs.
Agrreed!
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The Quarians humped the pooch on such an epic scale that it may take another 500 years for them to get over it.
Whoops, the artificial intelligences are intelligent, let's kill them.
Whoops the AIs didn't like us trying to kill them.
Whoops, my PDA is kicking my ass, FLEEEE!
It takes time to get used to that fact that your ancestors were that amazingly stupid when your race is all about family. Maybe they will find themselves a nice planet when they come to terms with the whole event.
Whoops, the artificial intelligences are intelligent, let's kill them.
Whoops the AIs didn't like us trying to kill them.
Whoops, my PDA is kicking my ass, FLEEEE!
It takes time to get used to that fact that your ancestors were that amazingly stupid when your race is all about family. Maybe they will find themselves a nice planet when they come to terms with the whole event.
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Wild Still wrote...
The Quarians humped the pooch on such an epic scale that it may take another 500 years for them to get over it.
Whoops, the artificial intelligences are intelligent, let's kill them.
Whoops the AIs didn't like us trying to kill them.
Whoops, my PDA is kicking my ass, FLEEEE!
It takes time to get used to that fact that your ancestors were that amazingly stupid when your race is all about family. Maybe they will find themselves a nice planet when they come to terms with the whole even.
Quick someone call Emilio Estevez!
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The council members figured that if the geth drove the quarians to extinction, they wouldn't have to worry about their credit chits getting stolen anymore.
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If all Quarians are like Tali then I'm sure they're quick to deny the rank idiocy and crimes of their ancestors.
Look at how they don't even cover up the fact that they started the war with the Geth, but still justify it by saying the Geth would've exterminated them anyway... for no good reason.
I bet when first contact was made with the humans, the Quarians got hold of copies of the Terminator and all seasons of Battlestar Galactica and went "You see! You see! Our ancestors were right all along!"
Look at how they don't even cover up the fact that they started the war with the Geth, but still justify it by saying the Geth would've exterminated them anyway... for no good reason.
I bet when first contact was made with the humans, the Quarians got hold of copies of the Terminator and all seasons of Battlestar Galactica and went "You see! You see! Our ancestors were right all along!"
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I thought the Quarian/Geth story was a pretty good lampshading of the standard robot rebellion trope.
They're just too genre savvy for their own good.
They're just too genre savvy for their own good.
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Lemonwizard wrote...
Now, if you go around the galaxy map a few of the planets you can look at show in their histories that the Quarians tried to petition the Citadel council for colonization rights but for whatever reason got denied.
Now all I have to say is: Really, council? Seriously? Why would you possibly deny colonization rights to a species who no longer posess any planets to live on?
Well apparently there are still a few planets out there where you can settle down without Council permission. Horizon comes to mind, at least until the humans got there. With the biggest fleet around and some of them free to be turned into genuine warships once the civilians are on the ground, who's going to pester you?
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This all Quarian exile is a little odd.
The could colonize almost any habitable planet and live in their suits on a solid ground.
Then instead of worrying about ships failure, they could study how to boost their immune system.
The could colonize almost any habitable planet and live in their suits on a solid ground.
Then instead of worrying about ships failure, they could study how to boost their immune system.
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I think that given the politics at work in ME2 the most powerful faction of Quarians is probably keeping everyone in space to further their agenda of getting the homeworld back.
Though I wonder why no Quarian ships have ever said screw it and settled on some remote world anyway.
Though I wonder why no Quarian ships have ever said screw it and settled on some remote world anyway.
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Shandepared wrote...
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Who said that being dicks to the Quarians means favoring the Geth?
Council history said exactly that. The point is, the Council has no right to hold any grudge against the quarians because the continued existence of the geth, and the threat they pose, is not the quarians' fault alone. The Council had the opportunity to intervene and they didn't. They could have saved countless lives if they'd gotten involved before the geth achieved victory. In fact if they were concerned about the geth being wiped out they could have forced a truce between both sides via' superior firepower.
In light of the war crimes committed against the Krogan by the species represented in the Council it seems hypocritical at best. Yeah, the Council is clearly just as fallible as any other governing head.
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Look at how they don't even cover up the fact that they started the war
with the Geth, but still justify it by saying the Geth would've
exterminated them anyway... for no good reason.
They had every reason to fear the geth. Shutting the geth down was the rational decision considering the information available to them at the time.
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Yeah, the Council is clearly just as fallible as any other governing head.
Except when are they ever held accountable?
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Except when are they ever held accountable?
"We're not sacrificing human lives to save the Council. Hold our forces back until we have a shot a Sovereign."
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Shandepared wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
Look at how they don't even cover up the fact that they started the war
with the Geth, but still justify it by saying the Geth would've
exterminated them anyway... for no good reason.
They had every reason to fear the geth. Shutting the geth down was the rational decision considering the information available to them at the time.
What, that the Geth were becoming sapient?
How would that be a rational decision for anyone other than overlords who feared losing control of their slaves?
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I figure the council is keeping the quarians down because they haven't learned their lesson yet. If the Quarians founded a new planet they would likely do something stupid again that risks galactic civilization.
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"We're not sacrificing human lives to save the Council. Hold our forces back until we have a shot a Sovereign."
I know. I normally hate renegade, but I felt cosmic retriubtion on that act.
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Exactly how were the Quarians anyone other than overlordswho feared losing control of their slaves?The Angry One wrote...
Shandepared wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
Look at how they don't even cover up the fact that they started the war
with the Geth, but still justify it by saying the Geth would've
exterminated them anyway... for no good reason.
They had every reason to fear the geth. Shutting the geth down was the rational decision considering the information available to them at the time.
What, that the Geth were becoming sapient?
How would that be a rational decision for anyone other than overlords who feared losing control of their slaves?
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What, that the Geth were becoming sapient?
Yeah, that millions of machines were becoming true A.I. despite not being designed to do so. That's dangerous, very dangerous. Especially when you consider how numerous and integrated the geth were in quarian society. The proof that this fear was valid is in the final result: the geth won the war. This means the geth were a powerful force to be reckoned with.
I don't hold it against the geth that they fought back (to a point), but it is important to remember that the quarians were acting in self defense as well.
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