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[Lemonwizard]

Had I been a Quarian and the Geth became Sentient, I'd try talking to it first. If the first interaction an intelligent being experiences with me is me trying to shut it down, of course there's going to be animosity. If the first interaction it experiences with me is me calmly explaining what it is and trying to work out a way we can coexist, then it's much more likely to be a cooperative AI.





At least, that's what I think.

[ObserverStatus]

Given the Quarians' advanced technology, perhaps the current council powers saw the Quarians as a threat to their power, as they would see the humans 300 years later. They just decided to let the Geth wipe out a potential rival.

[The Angry One]

Responsible to who?

A sentient being isn't going to want to be "deactivated" and will actively resist it.

If the Quarians had tried talking to the Geth instead of going "you are a mechanism!!1" then maybe they'd still be on their homeworld.

The fact is the Geth were just confused and asking questions and not on some pre-determined kill all organics agenda like 99% of all robot rebellion stories. Yeah if you have a device malfunction you shut it down and fix it, but a machine asking if it has a soul isn't a typical device malfunction.

[Bebbe777]

Well, I hope that in ME3 Shepard can convince the Alliance to help the Quarians in a colonizing effort. Not only would we look good in the galactice community but we would also gain one of the strongest allies in known space.

[RyrineaNara]

The Angry One wrote...

Responsible to who?
A sentient being isn't going to want to be "deactivated" and will actively resist it.
If the Quarians had tried talking to the Geth instead of going "you are a mechanism!!1" then maybe they'd still be on their homeworld.
The fact is the Geth were just confused and asking questions and not on some pre-determined kill all organics agenda like 99% of all robot rebellion stories. Yeah if you have a device malfunction you shut it down and fix it, but a machine asking if it has a soul isn't a typical device malfunction.

This many times this.

[Sigma Tauri]

Shandepared wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

Had I been a Quarian and the Geth became Sentient, I'd try talking to it first.

Yeah, but it isn't just one geth it is millions of geth. Furthermore, that one geth shouldn't have been able to ask such questions in the first place. That he is means he is malfunctioning. Designed A.I. are dangerous enough, much less an accidental one. Just look at the A.I. on the Presidium. That one came about via' "accident" as well and look at what it tried to do.

The quarians knew they would be faced with millions of such A.I. in short order. The responsible thing to do was to deactivate them and figure out what they were dealing with.

Those are certainly proximal reasons to deactivate the geth. But, deeper reasons for quarians dislike is inherent in their psychology and religious belief. Quarians were already disturbed by the idea that their ancestors can be reduced to VI, trivializing their existence. A geth unit asking if it has a soul indicates the organic exceptionalism is a farce, and would've caused quarian existential panic. It's in a sense the quarian version of abortion. Prevent the unit from developing such ideas before it becomes fully aware.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 24 mars 2010 - 03:30 .

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Shandepared wrote...

The quarians knew they would be faced with millions of such A.I. in short order. The responsible thing to do was to deactivate them and figure out what they were dealing with.

I don't think it would be as that simple.  Each Geth platform would have have it's own internal power source that would probably require dismantling the unit to turn off.  It's not likely that'd have a button or switch because the believe would be they would accept a shut down command.  If they're showing intelligence it is probable they would ignore a shut down command.  Trying to dismantle a Geth who has already ignored a shut down command probably wouldn't end well, either.  Kinda narrows the options.

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The Angry One wrote...

Responsible to who?
A sentient being isn't going to want to be "deactivated" and will actively resist it.
If the Quarians had tried talking to the Geth instead of going "you are a mechanism!!1" then maybe they'd still be on their homeworld.
The fact is the Geth were just confused and asking questions and not on some pre-determined kill all organics agenda like 99% of all robot rebellion stories. Yeah if you have a device malfunction you shut it down and fix it, but a machine asking if it has a soul isn't a typical device malfunction.

I agree with this.  The Geth at that point couldn't even figure out their own purprose let alone formulate a

[Weiser_Cain]

The emergence of the Geth should have been predicted. Instead of the migrant fleet the Quarians should have taken lifeless moons and built contained cities on and inside them. With the tech available in ME they could have terraformed a planet by now.

[apotheosic]

kelyon wrote...

This all Quarian exile is a little odd.
The could colonize almost any habitable planet and live in their suits on a solid ground.
Then instead of worrying about ships failure, they could study how to boost their immune system.

this is a really good point... seriously, whats to stop them from doing that?

[Lemonwizard]

Shandepared wrote...


It is similar to the prisoner's dilemma. You have two races named A & B.

If Race A attacks and Race B does not then Race A wins and Race B goes extinct. -acceptable outcome for A

If Race B attacks and Race A does not then Race B wins and Race A goes extinct. -acceptable outcome for B

If both races do not attack then both live in peace. -the best possible outcome.

If both races attack then both survive, but are heavily damaged. -less acceptable outcome for BOTH races

So in the end attacking is the only way for either race to guarantee their survival. Taking the peaceful route risks total annihilaton if the other party does not do the same. The quarians knew that if the geth became violent that they'd threaten the survival of the quarian species. As such they had to take action to shut the geth down before it was too late. Sadly, it was already too late.

This is not a prisoner's dillemma situation.

The prisoner's dillemma requires you to get a better or equal outcome for yourself by picking the option that hurts the other participant no matter what they choose. Attacking if they do not attack is a worse outcome than both not attacking, because even though you win you still have heavy casualties in a bloody war.


You also make the assumption that whoever attacks first is sure to win, which obviously didn't go so well for the Quarians.