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[KotOREffecT]

TJSolo wrote...

KotOREffecT wrote...

Yea they weren't as big, I think it had a lot to do with them using a lot of the hubs areas for the recuit/loyalty missions, which is why they did not "appear" as big as the Citadel. But they weren't that small, and they got the job done. Like Omega, I like how you can go below it and end up in the club for example. In general though, the hubs were still pretty in-depth esp during missions and had as much soul as the Citadel did dispite not being "lush". This was a darker game too. Plus the Citadel in ME 2 had a far more colorful futuristic vibe going for it, esp with the large vids with movie trailers and advertisments.

The hubs were just as good as ME 1, just not as big. But hey, if we could somehow get 4 huge hubs in ME 3, then thats even better!

Without getting into this further basically,
Larger hubs that better represent the scale of the universe and area are better than seemingly small hubs only to convenience the player.

I agree, they do represent the scale better, and the Citadel was pretty breathtaking in ME 1, but that doesn't mean  the hubs main area in ME 2 weren't as good just because they were smaller.

[Dudebag]

Lets be honest DreDk ME1 is nowhere near as good as ME2 and you are full of ****. In fact I am going to say that in my honest opinion that the first Mass Effect has to be the worst game Bioware has ever created, sure there are a few things Bioware could have done better in ME2 but I for one am glad that they gave the gameplay of ME1 a complete overhaul as it was rubbish.

[TJSolo]

Dudebag wrote...

Lets be honest DreDk ME1 is nowhere near as good as ME2 and you are full of ****. In fact I am going to say that in my honest opinion that the first Mass Effect has to be the worst game Bioware has ever created, sure there are a few things Bioware could have done better in ME2 but I for one am glad that they gave the gameplay of ME1 a complete overhaul as it was rubbish.

Modifié par TJSolo, 31 mars 2010 - 05:00 .

[Aristorum]

Both games are enjoyable to a decent and impressive degree. ME1 was fresh in its time, had a great story, easy combat, and decent characters. ME2 was another breath of fresh air in the current game market and brought back what was good in the first game and lost what was bad. Its story was a bit lacking compared to the first game but the variety and depth of the characters, both new and old, made up for most of the shortcomings. Gameplay wise, I favor ME2 but storywise, ME1 wins.



Overall, ME2 tops ME1 by a margin.

[Kalfear]

Dudebag wrote...

Lets be honest DreDk ME1 is nowhere near as good as ME2 and you are full of ****. In fact I am going to say that in my honest opinion that the first Mass Effect has to be the worst game Bioware has ever created, sure there are a few things Bioware could have done better in ME2 but I for one am glad that they gave the gameplay of ME1 a complete overhaul as it was rubbish.

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Hi ho the lobotomy waiting for me
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All togather now!

[implodinggoat]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

ME1 and ME2 both have their strengths and weaknesses. ME1 had a better story, more meaningful choices, and better character, squad, armor, and weapon customization. ME2 has a vastly more entertaining combat system, a less clunky inventory (though perhaps oversimplified), and a collection of weapons and powers which provide far more variety than their ME1 counterparts.

Overall I'd say that ME2 is the superior game due to the more entertaining combat; but ME1 (like KOTOR) has a soft spot in my heart that ME2 doesn't. ME1 was the more ambitious game, while ME2 was the better executed game. Somewhere between the two lies perfection.

This. I'm playing ME1 again right now, and while I think that ME2 is a better game, ME1 has that special something that keeps bringing me back.

Yeah,  ME1 is the sort of game I'll wax God damned nostalgic about 10 years from now, and ME2 isn't.  ME2 is far more replayable and ultimately more fun due to the far superior combat; but the story doesn't stick in your memory like ME1's did.   I think ME1 gives me the warm fuzzies in a way that ME2 doesn't simply because I enjoy the ME1 storyline so much more. 

The scale of the events in ME1 (particularly the battle for the Citadel) feels far more grand than anything that occurs in ME2.  On top of that none of the character's in ME2 ever succeeded in endearing themselves to me in the same way that Wrex or Liara did (although the way Bioware developed Tali and the Quarian's in ME2 was exceptional).  

So What is that special something that ME2 is missing?   FREEDOM.       

More than anything else though ME1 gave me a sense of freedom and power that ME2 doesn't.  In ME1, I was an elite agent tracking down a rouge operative and investigating an ancient mystery on my own damned terms.  While in ME2, I'm the Illusive Man's damned errand boy, going where he tells me, dancing to his tune and generally playing the part of a good little puppet.  Hell, I was hoping that I'd get the chance to systematically exterminate every last Cerberus agent in the galaxy; but in ME2 the game makes me work for them while going to extreme lengths to try and make them seem noble.   Worst of all though the game not only leashes the formerly antiauthoritarian badass Shepard, it doesn't even give him the chance to resist. 

In ME1 I was a lone wolf, in ME2 I'm a docile sheep.

[Massadonious1]

I'm 12 and how do I spam teh immunitiez?

[hex23]

Kalfear wrote...

(sings)
a trolling we will go
a trolling we will go
Hi ho the lobotomy waiting for me
the trolling we will go!

All togather now!

This is the only place I've seen people so up in arms about "ME1". Like it's some sort of legendary special game that the sequel needs to "live up to". I don't get it.

It's not a terrible game but it's not all that either. It's glitchy, repetitive, bug ridden, has kinda terrible combat, horrific texture pop in, and an extremely clunky inventory system. I know the story is great, but this isn't a novel, it's a game....and as a game "ME1" isn't that good. To put it into perspective the obviously superior PC port wasn't even made by Bioware.

Anyway, long story short to suggest someone is trolling because they think "ME2" is better than "ME1"....or that "ME1" is a bad game....it's silly.

[Dudebag]

Kalfear wrote...

Dudebag wrote...

Lets be honest DreDk ME1 is nowhere near as good as ME2 and you are full of ****. In fact I am going to say that in my honest opinion that the first Mass Effect has to be the worst game Bioware has ever created, sure there are a few things Bioware could have done better in ME2 but I for one am glad that they gave the gameplay of ME1 a complete overhaul as it was rubbish.

(sings)
a trolling we will go
a trolling we will go
Hi ho the lobotomy waiting for me
the trolling we will go!

All togather now!

I take it you disagree with  my opinion, ok then apart from its story and characters could you please tell me what was so good about ME1? In my honest opinion the story in Mass Effect 1 wasnt very good, you get inducted into a group that is above galactic law and above everyone else then you get sent out to save the galaxy from a rouge spectre and a sentient machine race whoopdie doo, really the best thing about ME1 is the characters and even they are much better in ME2.

So please tell me what makes ME1 so good?

[Massadonious1]

Don't mind Kalfear, he ran out of useful things to say a long time ago. The only thing he's good for is conspiracy theories, and personal insults based purely  on your opinion.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 31 mars 2010 - 06:44 .

[TJSolo]

hex23 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

(sings)
a trolling we will go
a trolling we will go
Hi ho the lobotomy waiting for me
the trolling we will go!

All togather now!

This is the only place I've seen people so up in arms about "ME1". Like it's some sort of legendary special game that the sequel needs to "live up to". I don't get it.

It's not a terrible game but it's not all that either. It's glitchy, repetitive, bug ridden, has kinda terrible combat, horrific texture pop in, and an extremely clunky inventory system. I know the story is great, but this isn't a novel, it's a game....and as a game "ME1" isn't that good. To put it into perspective the obviously superior PC port wasn't even made by Bioware.

Anyway, long story short to suggest someone is trolling because they think "ME2" is better than "ME1"....or that "ME1" is a bad game....it's silly.

LOL you need to read the post that was replied to. It isn't about differing opinions. It is about how insulting Dudebag is in his post towards the OP. Liking one or the other is perfectly fine. The insult was not needed and makes the rest of his post look belligerent.
Also the statement of ME1 not being that good, hilarious as it is has generally high reviews and has won GOTY and RPG of the year.
The abrasive statements, exaggerations, and insult is why his post looks green. Nothing to do with ME2

[Massadonious1]

ME2 generally has high reviews, too.



What's your point?

[jeffreykm]

They are both great games, and I think it is hard to appreciate that each game may be going for a different "feel," seeing as the first has a "I'm the hero and everyone knows it and supports me," sensation from the galaxy, while the second has a more "I'm the hero and everyone doesn't know and distrusts me [even though I'm back from the dead]" feel to it. First is light side, second is dark side, and maybe third should fit a cosmic universal redemption theme.

[TJSolo]

Massadonious1 wrote...

ME2 generally has high reviews, too.

What's your point?

Defensive much? I was only talking about reviews and the history of ME1 to show that Dudebags comments about it were way off.

[Massadonious1]

TJSolo wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

ME2 generally has high reviews, too.

What's your point?

Defensive much? I was only talking about reviews and the history of ME1 to show that Dudebags comments about it were way off.

Not really.

His comments (though abrasive) and hex23's comments were their opinions, and you countered with the "reviews r gud" argument.

Plenty of people like to bash ME2 like it was the worst game since Superman Returns, and whenever someone whips out the reviews, they are lambasted like no other.

I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy.

[RobbertDewulf]

DreDk wrote...

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You really should learn what an RPG is.

Another wasted thread by someone who doesn't seem to know anything about anything,lol.

[TJSolo]

Massadonious1 wrote...
Not really.

His comments (though abrasive) and hex23's comments were their opinions, and you countered with the "reviews r gud" argument.

Plenty of people like to bash ME2 like it was the worst game since Superman Returns, and whenever someone whips out the reviews, they are lambasted like no other.

I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy.

Lets be honest DreDk ME1 is nowhere near as good as ME2 and you are full of ****

Sorry I don't see the hypocrisy in calling a post with a statement like that green. Seeing has that statement pretty much attacks the OPs opinion and calls the OP a liar based on his opinion.
Dude can have his opinion but calling the OP full of @#$@ is not an opinion. Which then is followed by comically exaggerated opinions about ME1, stated in a way to arouse a response.

Looks green to me.

Also don't justify that post because it happens in other topics. Plus people supporting ME2 with reviews are not lambasted, it is the other way around.

[Massadonious1]

TJSolo wrote...
Also don't justify that post because it happens in other topics. Plus people supporting ME2 with reviews are not lambasted, it is the other way around.

Clearly you're not reading the same threads that I am.

And, I already pointed out that his opinion was abrasive, but it's still his opinion. I don't see how saying ME2 is better than ME1 should prompt the review card. The game won GOTY, good for it. Still doesn't mean he can't think ME2 is the better product.

[TJSolo]

Massadonious1 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...
Also don't justify that post because it happens in other topics. Plus people supporting ME2 with reviews are not lambasted, it is the other way around.

Clearly you're not reading the same threads that I am.

And, I already pointed out that his opinion was abrasive, but it's still his opinion. I don't see how saying ME2 is better than ME1 should prompt the review card. The game won GOTY, good for it. Still doesn't mean he can't think ME2 is the better product.

Lets be honest DreDk ME1 is nowhere near as good as ME2 and you are full of ****

This is not an opinion it is a direct insult to the OPs opinion. This statement tints all of the comments green after that.

You are not reading anything I am saying because I have not stated anything about either game being better in response to Dudebag. So if you want to address my opinion that Dudebags post was then do so. I didn't call Dudebag wrong for his ME1 opinion but it was laughable at how over the top it was, my putting in some ME1 information was to further show how laughable his exagerrated statements were.

Didn't I aleady put that this issue right now is not about ME2 compared to ME1 yet you still attempt to degrade it as such.

The bolded part is all that I will respond to about this.

[Bryy_Miller]

TJSolo wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...
Also don't justify that post because it happens in other topics. Plus people supporting ME2 with reviews are not lambasted, it is the other way around.

Clearly you're not reading the same threads that I am.

And, I already pointed out that his opinion was abrasive, but it's still his opinion. I don't see how saying ME2 is better than ME1 should prompt the review card. The game won GOTY, good for it. Still doesn't mean he can't think ME2 is the better product.

Lets be honest DreDk ME1 is nowhere near as good as ME2 and you are full of ****

This is not an opinion it is a direct insult to the OPs opinion. 

His opinion is that the OP is full of ****. That's an opinion. It's not very mature, but it's an opinion.

[Wintersembrace]

well i think both games have are cool and both have faults but it did not reduce my enjoyment of them still regardless we might not all agree but at least have the respect to ignore the post or be civil



proud owner of bg1,totsc,bg2.tob.nwn,1,2.D.A O.waiting on D,A A, M.E 1,2 keep up the good work bio even though i might not all-ways agree with the changes you make but all-ways enjoy the effort that go's into your games

[Maj.Pain007]

I have to agree sadly. ME blew me away I guess its because I had high(unrealistic) expectations of the game. ME 2 is great but to me it didn't have the same impact ME did.



I think for me is Mass Effect 2 was oh so very different that its almost like their 2 different games and I think thats the issue with me.

[Dudebag]

TJSolo wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...
Also don't justify that post because it happens in other topics. Plus people supporting ME2 with reviews are not lambasted, it is the other way around.

Clearly you're not reading the same threads that I am.

And, I already pointed out that his opinion was abrasive, but it's still his opinion. I don't see how saying ME2 is better than ME1 should prompt the review card. The game won GOTY, good for it. Still doesn't mean he can't think ME2 is the better product.

Lets be honest DreDk ME1 is nowhere near as good as ME2 and you are full of ****

This is not an opinion it is a direct insult to the OPs opinion. This statement tints all of the comments green after that.

You are not reading anything I am saying because I have not stated anything about either game being better in response to Dudebag. So if you want to address my opinion that Dudebags post was then do so. I didn't call Dudebag wrong for his ME1 opinion but it was laughable at how over the top it was, my putting in some ME1 information was to further show how laughable his exagerrated statements were.

Didn't I aleady put that this issue right now is not about ME2 compared to ME1 yet you still attempt to degrade it as such.

The bolded part is all that I will respond to about this.

Drop the strawman and adress the point at hand, this isnt about me insulting the OP (honestly if you think that insult was bad then you need to learn a lot more about life) but because you disagree with my opinion of the game. Let me tell you nothing in my post was an exaggeration.

Ok so you disagree with my opinion, please tell me what makes ME1 a good game apart from its story and characters? The gameplay is in shambles, the AI is horrible, the missions are boring and repetitive and really the only thing that saves ME1 from being a flop is its story and characters and in my honest opinion they arent that good either. In my opinion Mass Effect 1 has to be the worst game Bioware has ever released.

[Dreadstruck]

Dudebag wrote...
In my opinion Mass Effect 1 has to be the worst game Bioware has ever released.

[MrAnthonyDraft]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Dudebag wrote...
In my opinion Mass Effect 1 has to be the worst game Bioware has ever released.

I agree - :blink::blink: