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[Grunt420]

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[hex23]

TJSolo wrote...

Yup equally bad seeing as Kalfears post didn't require any censoring. It is so obvious now.

Different boards have different levels of censorship, so that's completely retarded to mention. You let an internet forum dictate your level of tolerance? Both of them were disrespecful.

Saying "you're full of sh*t", or making references to someone getting a lobotomy, are both disrespectful. You agree with Kalfear therefore he's less disrespectful. This is the hypocrisy I mentioned above.

Modifié par hex23, 31 mars 2010 - 10:23 .

[TJSolo]

hex23 wrote...

Oh and for the record I've seen several people attacked for mentioning the review scores for "ME2". So let's not act like that doesn't happen. Or, they'll claim "ME2" has superior scores based on EA bribing someone, or some other ridiculous claim.

The "ME1" review scores though are conveniently legit. Why? Because they agree with those scores. Like someone said a few posts ago, it's blatant hypocrisy.

For the record get it correct that the vocal people that support ME2 attack more and get ME1 type threads closed more often than not.

The people that post ME2 reviews do so in any and every post that has a negative remark about ME2 even constructive ones. You see those posters get attacked because they insult(indirect and direct) and attack people that defame ME2 in their eyes.

[TJSolo]

hex23 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Yup equally bad seeing as Kalfears post didn't require any censoring. It is so obvious now.

Different boards have different levels of censorship, so that's completely retarded to mention. You let an internet forum dictate your level of tolerance? Both of them were disrespecful.

Saying "you're full of sh*t", or making references to someone getting a lobotomy, are both disrespectful. You agree with Kalfear therefore he's less disrespectful. This is the hypocrisy I mentioned above.

Only thing so far I will agree on with Kalfear is his song dedicated to the post he quoted.

Modifié par TJSolo, 31 mars 2010 - 10:37 .

[hex23]

TJSolo wrote...

For the record get it correct that the vocal people that support ME2 attack more and get ME1 type threads closed more often than not.

The people that post ME2 reviews do so in any and every post that has a negative remark about ME2 even constructive ones. You see those posters get attacked because they insult(indirect and direct) and attack people that defame ME2 in their eyes.

Incorrect. I've mentioned "ME2" reviews scores and had people go nuts with all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy theories about how Bioware/EA bribed someone. So I've seen it first hand.

As far as which side is more rabid in their attacks, look at the negative number of "ME2" threads, vs the positive ones. The ratio is something like 10:1. People who prefer "ME2" generally don't start threads talking about how great the game is....they do however respond to threads that say it sucks and/or EA ruined their life. These threads pop up day after day, and have been since January. It gets old, so obviously people adjust their response accordingly.

Modifié par hex23, 31 mars 2010 - 10:32 .

[Grilled Trout]

TJSolo wrote...

"EA ruining my favorite all time game franchise"
Without naming the respective franchises or IPs:
It has happens, it is currently happening, and history repeats itself.

Don't be stating your mere personal opinion based solely on your biased preference to list it as fact.

If you truly think EA is such a bad company, don't buy their games.  Buying them and then complaining about them repeatedly is waste of your time, and waste of my time having to encounter them in the forums.

[Grilled Trout]

hex23 wrote...

Incorrect. I've mentioned "ME2" reviews scores and had people go nuts with all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy theories about how Bioware/EA bribed someone. So I've seen it first hand.

As far as which side is more rabid in their attacks, look at the negative number of "ME2" threads, vs the positive ones. The ratio is something like 10:1. People who prefer "ME2" generally don't start threads talking about how great the game is....they do however respond to threads that say it sucks and/or EA ruined their life. These threads pop up day after day, and have been since January. It gets old, so obviously people adjust their response accordingly.

Correct.  People who enjoy the game tend to talk about gameplay aspects, tips on how to play certain sections, or any other things that might help out the poster him/herself during play or contributing helpful tips to others.

Most of the complainers are listing the same crap over and over again, for the millionth time.  How ME2 is not a roleplaying game, how it no longer has epic story, blah blah blah.  I seriously gave my time reading the OP's complaints.  By the time I was done with it, I couldn't come up with any other logical explanation than to conclude that people of this sort really have nothing better to do than post on the forums listing short-sighted biased opinions or claiming downright false and ridiculous arguments.

I can understand that people have difference of taste and preferences in video games.  However, I am annoyed by complaints of this sort, spamming the forums and continuously trying to push them to the first page.

If you don't like a certain video game, then don't play it.  If you think EA is such a bad company, don't buy its products.  No video game company can ruin your life... let alone ruin anything.  Games evolve and they change.  Games go through changes.  Why make new games if everything had to stay the same?

It's just a video game.  Treat it as one, and not as the only thing that matters in your life to such a degree that a claim like EA ruining your life always comes up in the forums to a laughable degree of the very definition of the word "pathetic."

[TJSolo]

hex23 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

For the record get it correct that the vocal people that support ME2 attack more and get ME1 type threads closed more often than not.

The people that post ME2 reviews do so in any and every post that has a negative remark about ME2 even constructive ones. You see those posters get attacked because they insult(indirect and direct) and attack people that defame ME2 in their eyes.

Incorrect. I've mentioned "ME2" reviews scores and had people go nuts with all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy theories about how Bioware/EA bribed someone. So I've seen it first hand.

As far as which side is more rabid in their attacks, look at the negative number of "ME2" threads, vs the positive ones. The ratio is something like 10:1. People who prefer "ME2" generally don't start threads talking about how great the game is....they do however respond to threads that say it sucks and/or EA ruined their life. These threads pop up day after day, and have been since January. It gets old, so obviously people adjust their response accordingly.

Sigh. Rants are rants. I can not say the ratio of ME2 ranting is 10:1 no matter what side I look at. There are far more posts that fall inbetween and are not accurately labeled as positive or negative; just critisim and a show of preference. Your stance is one that generally overstates the situation to aid your point of view.
Threads popup, so what. Of course threads talking about ME2 popped up after January that was when the game was released, it just make sense for the customer dialogue to start. 

The idea that people upset about a product are more vocal than the ones actively enjoying it is an old school retail notion, when an upset customer has to talk or make some sort of effort to find a way to complain. The ease and anonymity of the Internet makes that idiom less accurate.

[TJSolo]

Grilled Trout wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

"EA ruining my favorite all time game franchise"
Without naming the respective franchises or IPs:
It has happens, it is currently happening, and history repeats itself.

Don't be stating your mere personal opinion based solely on your biased preference to list it as fact.

If you truly think EA is such a bad company, don't buy their games.  Buying them and then complaining about them repeatedly is waste of your time, and waste of my time having to encounter them in the forums.

No actually if you research the history of EA and their buyouts. It will show my statement true not one of personal preference. Also the IPs and franchises were not games I was into at the time, I am not biased because of personal interest the dead IPs and companies after EA buyouts are just facts to me.

What I will and will not do with my money is beyond the scope of this topic. In fact in topics that were actually on buying from certain companies, I provided answers.

[Grilled Trout]

People claim that they are "customers" that needed to be tend to on an individual basis when they buy video games. How is that even possible? There is only ONE version of every single video game. It is impossible to completely satisfy every single person that buys the game. All that the companies can do is, through smart marketing, let the gamers know in advance with reasonable detail, what the game is about. Even then, people come up with their own expectations, sometimes reaching grossly hyped status to a point where the expectations become too high.



This whole "customer" argument with video games is a pretty bad argument. There are industries and places where this "customer" and "customer service" concept is very important. In video game industry, it cannot possibly work the same way.



Case in point:



Somebody who bought and played a certain video game is not enjoying the game, and decides to post on the forums about how bad the game is. And then starts making claims that he/she, as a customer, deserves attention and the right to post complaints. Then, there are people who like the game as is, and disagree with the person who didn't. Now, we are talking about a video game that is fixed... cannot be changed to fit for each and every single person's personal preference. Only one version exists. You either like it or don't. So how preposterious is this whole thing? Need I answer this question?

[TJSolo]

Grilled Trout wrote...

People claim that they are "customers" that needed to be tend to on an individual basis when they buy video games. How is that even possible? There is only ONE version of every single video game. It is impossible to completely satisfy every single person that buys the game. All that the companies can do is, through smart marketing, let the gamers know in advance with reasonable detail, what the game is about. Even then, people come up with their own expectations, sometimes reaching grossly hyped status to a point where the expectations become too high.

This whole "customer" argument with video games is a pretty bad argument. There are industries and places where this "customer" and "customer service" concept is very important. In video game industry, it cannot possibly work the same way.

Case in point:

Somebody who bought and played a certain video game is not enjoying the game, and decides to post on the forums about how bad the game is. And then starts making claims that he/she, as a customer, deserves attention and the right to post complaints. Then, there are people who like the game as is, and disagree with the person who didn't. Now, we are talking about a video game that is fixed... cannot be changed to fit for each and every single person's personal preference. Only one version exists. You either like it or don't. So how preposterious is this whole thing? Need I answer this question?

Very few of the rational thought out posts are requesting custom built games. Just because someone posts their opinions about ME2 does not mean they are calling it a bad game or not enjoying it.
Your entire point is moot. Since this forum is for quote-unquote customers to share their concerns, critisms, and feedback of Bioware products.
There is a section of video gaming that is heavy into customer service; MMOs. Bioware is venturing into MMO country soon.

[Grilled Trout]

TJSolo wrote...

Very few of the rational thought out posts are requesting custom built games. Just because someone posts their opinions about ME2 does not mean they are calling it a bad game or not enjoying it.
Your entire point is moot. Since this forum is for quote-unquote customers to share their concerns, critisms, and feedback of Bioware products.
There is a section of video gaming that is heavy into customer service; MMOs. Bioware is venturing into MMO country soon.

The problem is, many of the complaints,are NOT rational.  I've seen some really good posts made by people who have listed very understandable concerns, even if I didn't agree with them.  But those seem to be overshadowed.

Again, please stop using the word "customer."  We may simply be gamers or fans, but certainly, the word "customer" should be applied in another situation and industry.  If you go watch a movie made by Steven Spielburg, are you going to say you are his customer?  Of course not.  If you can understand this distinction, which you seem to, then you surely should understand where I am coming from.

You take risks when you purchase an entertainment media.  These include video games, movies, music, and maybe even books.  You also take risks when you pay for certain entertainment performances.  The satisfaction level derived from these things are purely based on each and every individual's personal biased preference, and they will all be different.  Everyone is different after all.  And there is always ONE version.  You can't change it to cater to one specific person.

Yet, here in the forums, most of these so-called "concerns, criticisms, and feedback" are nothing more than a simple downright outcry of something like "I didn't enjoy this game, this game sucks, the game company ruined the game I love, etc etc."  Add on top of this, throw in a whole bunch of short-sighted opinions or outright fabrications to support the ever-thirsty need to keep posting complaints, just for the sake of complaining.  None of this is ever constructive.  These serve merely as trolling and spamming, nothing more.

If you look hard enough, there are some great threads started by people who had good intention to be constructive by giving out ideas, criticisms, and praises backed up by very logical evidence and explanations.  Thread like this one however, is completely a laughing stock, and as I see more of these, I, as a forum user, am annoyed and appalled by their very existence that makes my forum experience less enjoyable.

Modifié par Grilled Trout, 01 avril 2010 - 12:17 .

[TJSolo]

Grilled Trout wrote...

The problem is, many of the complaints,are NOT rational.  I've seen some really good posts made by people who have listed very understandable concerns, even if I didn't agree with them.  But those seem to be overshadowed.

There are posts you will call good and posts you will call bad. Which ones are rational? Subjective and best for the mods to sort.

Again, please stop using the word "customer."  We may simply be gamers or fans, but certainly, the word "customer" should be applied in another situation and industry.  If you go watch a movie made by Steven Spielburg, are you going to say you are his customer?  Of course not.  If you can understand this distinction, which you seem to, then you surely should understand where I am coming from.

No I will not stop using the word customer and inregards to me using the word customer in MMOs is how the word is supposed to be used. Thanks to the intertwining of online stores such as from EA and Bioware, the term customer can be applied.

Yet, here in the forums, most of these so-called "concerns, criticisms, and feedback" are nothing more than a simple downright outcry of something like "I didn't enjoy this game, this game sucks, the game company ruined the game I love, etc etc."  Add on top of this, throw in a whole bunch of short-sighted opinions or outright fabrications to support the ever-thirsty need to keep posting complaints, just for the sake of complaining.  None of this is ever constructive.  These serve merely as trolling and spamming, nothing more.

Sorry that is just you straw manning peoples opinions. Everyone is not capable of expressing their opinions on the level you want. This is the system Bioware put in place and they are accepting to any opinion provided it fits their TOS not your rules.

If you look hard enough, there are some great threads started by people who had good intention to be constructive by giving out ideas, criticisms, and praises backed up by very logical evidence and explanations.  Thread like this one however, is completely a laughing stock, and as I see more of these, I, as a forum user, am annoyed and appalled by their very existence that makes my forum experience less enjoyable.

Honestly. You feelings are your own fault on this matter. People will post their opinions, this thread started with a decent post from the OP but if you read it he even apologized for some of the wording since he is Italian.
Your emotions on this is your fault.

[fyckeg]

I agree as well.



ME 1 is a MASTERPIECE!!!!!!!!!!!!!



ME 2 is not. It's a totally different game and it truly saddens me because I was expecting another Mass Effect experience...



It's funny because I never cared about ME1 until I decided to rent it months after it came out.

Then, after falling in love in the game-play and story, I following ME2 every single day until its release. Now I'm just disappointed and pretty much don't know what to think about ME3.



I beat ME1 five or six times... I have finished ME2... I came back for the hammerhead... I now feel sadder than ever.

[TJSolo]

mrfoo1 wrote...

oh goodie a TJSolo argument thread.

@thread
Rose tinted glasses = Personal Opinion. Everyone wears them.

Well bite me, if it isn't mrfoo1.
Everyone you say? Even folks that traded in ME2 for new games but still have and play ME1. I will let my friends know they are just wearing rose tinted glasses. Such a simple generalization, why didn't I think of it before.

[Cancermeat]

I think im the only person that didnt like the fact that you couldnt go back to areas in me2

[TJSolo]

mrfoo1 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

mrfoo1 wrote...

oh goodie a TJSolo argument thread.

@thread
Rose tinted glasses = Personal Opinion. Everyone wears them.

Well bite me, if it isn't mrfoo1.
Everyone you say? Even folks that traded in ME2 for new games but still have and play ME1. I will let my friends know they are just wearing rose tinted glasses. Such a simple generalization, why didn't I think of it before.

Because your constantly to busy trying to bring up an argument of how EA is the destoryer of games.

First a nostalgia analogy and now a side step to EA, impressive. I would rather the topic stay on well the OPs post and not me, thanks though.

[TJSolo]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Rose tinted glasses. Really, we already went over that.

Silly me. Analogies on this board are like analogies on this board.

[legendace]

is it just me or am i the only 1 who thinks games that have better graphics and cutscenes make up the best game?

[Grilled Trout]

TJSolo wrote...

There are posts you will call good and posts you will call bad. Which ones are rational? Subjective and best for the mods to sort.

Sure.  But then I am sure that even the very annoying ones are still allowed to exist, partly due to the fact that any closing of threads with negative things to say about the game will instantly bring about yet even more complaints.. this time accusing Bioware of censoring out negative posts.  This happens all the time, and not until people start attacking other posters personally, do these threads get closed.

No I will not stop using the word customer and inregards to me using the word customer in MMOs is how the word is supposed to be used. Thanks to the intertwining of online stores such as from EA and Bioware, the term customer can be applied.

First, Mass Effect is NOT an MMO.  Second, I have already explained what kind of "product" it is when you buy an entertainment media such as a video game, and how the concept of "customer" doesn't really apply to the same sense as in other cases.  Your lack of understanding in this simple matter, or your downright refusal to even accept it is quite sad.  I feel sorry for you.

Sorry that is just you straw manning peoples opinions. Everyone is not capable of expressing their opinions on the level you want. This is the system Bioware put in place and they are accepting to any opinion provided it fits their TOS not your rules.

That is no excuse... everyone not capable?  Then make yourselves capable.  Unless you are one of those types who believe that you can interact and write recklessly because you have no fear of real consequences of your actions.  After all, you are only hidden behind your internet alias, so what's the harm right?

Like I said, opinions can be disruptive or constructive.  They can be made well informed, or made short sighted.  Not all opinions carry the same merits.

Honestly. You feelings are your own fault on this matter. People will post their opinions, this thread started with a decent post from the OP but if you read it he even apologized for some of the wording since he is Italian.
Your emotions on this is your fault.

Please don't kid yourself with the OP's post being any decent.  I have clearly said that I have participated in many threads containing criticisms of this game, and have seen many valid ones.  OP's posts were derived purely from frustration, listing a whole bunch of BS just for the sake of arguing.  I don't even need to explain it, unless you are so dead centered on complaining the heck out of this game to oblivion.  And I am not emotional at all, so don't be making any assumptions for me.  I only see a pathetic line of reasoning and I am merely letting you know that even though you may think you can post whatever the heck you want in the internet, it is not always appreciated by everyone no matter what the agenda is.


It is obviously a waste of time talking to you, so I don't look forward to communicating with you in the future.

[TJSolo]

mrfoo1 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

mrfoo1 wrote...

Rose tinted glasses. Really, we already went over that.

Silly me. Analogies on this board are like analogies on this board.

Page 2 post 4. Sums up why the OP while entitled to his opinion is, more or less, wrong.

Instead of a discussion o what would make the game better in regards to certain mechanics, design aspects etc the forum has far to many of threads like this one.

Uh huh. Funny I didn't read Woo calling the OP wrong for his opinion. That inference of youra is rather distracting.  That post also uses basic statements that Bioware can't please everyone and don't make games for individuals. The latter wasn't even a request from the OP. Also if the OP was really ranting and as bad as some of the posters here say it is, Page 2 post 4 would include End of line. Until then this topic and the OP seem to have some merit.