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[CatatonicMan]

kraidy1117 wrote...

2pac Shakur wrote...

ME2 is more of a shooter than an RPG, which makes a lot of fanboys mad. Understandable, as there are many better TPS out there, that focus on entirely being shooters. ME2 gameplay is a much better improvement over ME1, but the story was kinda meh compared to 1

That it is one of my complaints, the story could have been better, but the side stories and the characters made up for it it IMO.

It took me a while to realize this, but the characters basically are the story.

Not really a good decision on BW's part, personally; it made the game fell more like a dozen unrelated short stories than a single unified whole.

The character stories should have been important, but there really needed to be more of a strong, developed, central backbone plot to hold all the story ribs in place and give them form; all we have now is a pile of disconnected story bones.

Modifié par CatatonicMan, 19 avril 2010 - 11:37 .

[kraidy1117]

CatatonicMan wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

2pac Shakur wrote...

ME2 is more of a shooter than an RPG, which makes a lot of fanboys mad. Understandable, as there are many better TPS out there, that focus on entirely being shooters. ME2 gameplay is a much better improvement over ME1, but the story was kinda meh compared to 1

That it is one of my complaints, the story could have been better, but the side stories and the characters made up for it it IMO.

It took me a while to realize this, but the characters basically are the story.

Not really a good decision on BW's part, personally; it made the game fell more like a dozen unrelated short stories than a single unified whole.

The character stories should have been important, but there really needed to be more of a strong, developed, central backbone plot to hold all the story ribs in place and give them form; all we have now is a pile of disconnected story bones.

Ya but at least they are good, complex and very well done stories. I find the side stories more intresting then the Reaper threat

[2pac Shakur]

you know the character driven plot was fine, the ME2 overall plot could have been better if they added just a few more missions where you discover galactic revelating shi.t, and these missions would have involved more collectors. We really do encounter the collectors 3 times in the entire game despite them supposed to being the main enemy

[kraidy1117]

2pac Shakur wrote...

you know the character driven plot was fine, the ME2 overall plot could have been better if they added just a few more missions where you discover galactic revelating shi.t, and these missions would have involved more collectors. We really do encounter the collectors 3 times in the entire game despite them supposed to being the main enemy

This, tho at least there missions are kinda longer then the others

[Iakus]

CatatonicMan wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

2pac Shakur wrote...

ME2 is more of a shooter than an RPG, which makes a lot of fanboys mad. Understandable, as there are many better TPS out there, that focus on entirely being shooters. ME2 gameplay is a much better improvement over ME1, but the story was kinda meh compared to 1

That it is one of my complaints, the story could have been better, but the side stories and the characters made up for it it IMO.

It took me a while to realize this, but the characters basically are the story.

Not really a good decision on BW's part, personally; it made the game fell more like a dozen unrelated short stories than a single unified whole.

The character stories should have been important, but there really needed to be more of a strong, developed, central backbone plot to hold all the story ribs in place and give them form; all we have now is a pile of disconnected story bones.

 You hit the nail on the head.

If there had been a strong central story with a strong central villain, I'd say this could have been  the best game Bioware ever made.  As it is, I feel like we got a bundle of side quests, an expansion pack without a game to connect it to.  Good stuff, but by itself can't carry the game

[kraidy1117]

iakus wrote...

CatatonicMan wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

2pac Shakur wrote...

ME2 is more of a shooter than an RPG, which makes a lot of fanboys mad. Understandable, as there are many better TPS out there, that focus on entirely being shooters. ME2 gameplay is a much better improvement over ME1, but the story was kinda meh compared to 1

That it is one of my complaints, the story could have been better, but the side stories and the characters made up for it it IMO.

It took me a while to realize this, but the characters basically are the story.

Not really a good decision on BW's part, personally; it made the game fell more like a dozen unrelated short stories than a single unified whole.

The character stories should have been important, but there really needed to be more of a strong, developed, central backbone plot to hold all the story ribs in place and give them form; all we have now is a pile of disconnected story bones.

 You hit the nail on the head.

If there had been a strong central story with a strong central villain, I'd say this could have been  the best game Bioware ever made.  As it is, I feel like we got a bundle of side quests, an expansion pack without a game to connect it to.  Good stuff, but by itself can't carry the game

We did have a fantastic villain and people seem to forget, his name was TIM and he was way better then Saren or Narraza, I still think ME2 is Biowares best game because of the gameplay and the characters, story was disapointing but the gameplay and the characters and even the side stories make up for it.

[xCirdanx]

kraidy1117 wrote...
We did have a fantastic villain and people seem to forget, his name was TIM and he was way better then Saren or Narraza, I still think ME2 is Biowares best game because of the gameplay and the characters, story was disapointing but the gameplay and the characters and even the side stories make up for it.

Interessting view...how was he the villian again? I mean he was in part one..or better the whole organization because we didnt really know about him in ME1. I fail to see how he is the main villian when the reapers are standing infront of your door. However, working for him should have been one way..not the whole game, i kinda hate to work for an "evil" guy with no option to bug out or even saying my opinion. 

I actualy found the story ok for a "midd-filler" the second part is always the hardest of a triology.

And BG2 is the best Bioware game

[TJSolo]

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...
 You hit the nail on the head.

If there had been a strong central story with a strong central villain, I'd say this could have been  the best game Bioware ever made.  As it is, I feel like we got a bundle of side quests, an expansion pack without a game to connect it to.  Good stuff, but by itself can't carry the game[/quote]

We did have a fantastic villain and people seem to forget, his name was TIM and he was way better then Saren or Narraza, I still think ME2 is Biowares best game because of the gameplay and the characters, story was disapointing but the gameplay and the characters and even the side stories make up for it.

[/quote]

TIM a gread villain, really now.
For all we know he could be the savior of humanity in ME3. Afterall Cerberus was redeemed from being butchers in ME1, to being slightly misunderstood rogue agents in ME2.

[sergeant tango]

Ah, more compliants. Wonderful.

[kraidy1117]

xCirdanx wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
We did have a fantastic villain and people seem to forget, his name was TIM and he was way better then Saren or Narraza, I still think ME2 is Biowares best game because of the gameplay and the characters, story was disapointing but the gameplay and the characters and even the side stories make up for it.

Interessting view...how was he the villian again? I mean he was in part one..or better the whole organization because we didnt really know about him in ME1. I fail to see how he is the main villian when the reapers are standing infront of your door. However, working for him should have been one way..not the whole game, i kinda hate to work for an "evil" guy with no option to bug out or even saying my opinion. 

I actualy found the story ok for a "midd-filler" the second part is always the hardest of a triology.

And BG2 is the best Bioware game

Both BG2 and ME2 are IMO Biowares best games.

[Iakus]

kraidy1117 wrote...

We did have a fantastic villain and people seem to forget, his name was TIM and he was way better then Saren or Narraza, I still think ME2 is Biowares best game because of the gameplay and the characters, story was disapointing but the gameplay and the characters and even the side stories make up for it.

I wouldn't call TIM a villain. He's more of an antagonist.  Someone who gets on your nerves and even hampers your efforts occassionally.  But he really doesn't rise much higher on the villainy list than, say, the Council in the first game.  (at least in stuff we can prove)

The real villains in the series are, of course the Reapers.  Saren, as thier chief henchman made a great "face" for them.  Who do we have this time?  Harbringer?  He's just some voice tossing out vague threats,  The Collector General?  He inspires more pity than fear.

And yes, BG2 still takes the gold:)

[kraidy1117]

iakus wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

We did have a fantastic villain and people seem to forget, his name was TIM and he was way better then Saren or Narraza, I still think ME2 is Biowares best game because of the gameplay and the characters, story was disapointing but the gameplay and the characters and even the side stories make up for it.

I wouldn't call TIM a villain. He's more of an antagonist.  Someone who gets on your nerves and even hampers your efforts occassionally.  But he really doesn't rise much higher on the villainy list than, say, the Council in the first game.  (at least in stuff we can prove)

The real villains in the series are, of course the Reapers.  Saren, as thier chief henchman made a great "face" for them.  Who do we have this time?  Harbringer?  He's just some voice tossing out vague threats,  The Collector General?  He inspires more pity than fear.

And yes, BG2 still takes the gold:)

Personaly I find the Reapers borining .  TIM and Saren where very intresting.

[kraidy1117]

iakus wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

We did have a fantastic villain and people seem to forget, his name was TIM and he was way better then Saren or Narraza, I still think ME2 is Biowares best game because of the gameplay and the characters, story was disapointing but the gameplay and the characters and even the side stories make up for it.

I wouldn't call TIM a villain. He's more of an antagonist.  Someone who gets on your nerves and even hampers your efforts occassionally.  But he really doesn't rise much higher on the villainy list than, say, the Council in the first game.  (at least in stuff we can prove)

The real villains in the series are, of course the Reapers.  Saren, as thier chief henchman made a great "face" for them.  Who do we have this time?  Harbringer?  He's just some voice tossing out vague threats,  The Collector General?  He inspires more pity than fear.

And yes, BG2 still takes the gold:)

Personaly I find the Reapers borining .  TIM and Saren where very intresting.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I also am not a fan of the Reaper plot. ME 2's main story dealt directly with the Reapers however the majority of the game was vested in the ME universe. As a fan of the Universe thats why I consider the Storyline a Success. I liked ME 1 mainly because of Saren and the Indoctrination, while that is an aspect of the Reapers, the actual premise of them is not that interesting. I've saved the world enough times.

[DreDk]

After another month my personal feeling & judgment about ME2 are getting worse & worser.

And luckily I am not alone!

The attempt of EA/Bioware to use the ME franchise in order to create a mass-market shooter (a la Modern Warfare) has just failed brutally.

With the result that many many originally devoted ME fans now feel themselfs betrayed by Bioware. I personally have lost faith in Bioware and my affection for ME franchise has been reduced enormously after ME2.



If you go around the web, inside the forums, on comment sections of videogames sites, literally e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e people are complaining about ME2!



Now finally Bioware is no more in the position to lie saying “people complaining about ME2 are few and just on our site”. Bioware now can not hide the evidence, no more.

The disappointment about ME2 is everywhere.



Bioware, I really hope you can save this fanchise.

[Aradace]

DreDk wrote...

Mass Effect 1 is the TRUE Masterpiece.

Mass Effect 2 is a good game that due much of its glory exclusively to the first episode: beacuse, as a stand alone game, ME2 is only a very bland and monotone shooter with unuseful dialogues.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW that our love for the second one came mainly from the HERITAGE that ME1 has leave to us.

And please Bioware do not compare ME2 to Empire Strike Back,  it would be better if you compare it to The Phantom Menace.

ME1 is a work of love for Xbox360 (with some flaws).
ME2 is only a good
multiplatform game (I am more than sure that it will come out also for the PS3):
ME2
just performs ZERO OPTIMIZATION for the Xbox360: it just use the
last hiteration of Unreal Engine as it is.
Where is the anti
aliasing? Where is the motion Blur? Why ALL the
in-game texts are UNREADABLE?
Ok, the frame rate now is stable, and there are no clipping anymore... But I am quite sure that ME2 achive all of this only thanks to the last progress made by the Unreal Engine itself!!!
And how they solve the infamous elevator scenes problems: just
replaced it with loading screens...

My ideal Mass Effect 2 would have been the first one without texture clipping and frame rate issue (and maybe a better inventory system).

And what we have now instead? A bland shooter with:
No more RPG elements
No more intriguing
Story
No more intriguing quests
No more explorations
No more deep interaction with life-like characters
No more
vast area to play (like citadel)
No more "realistic" location (for example: citadel in ME1seems full of life..)

Furthermore, ME2 is such an inferior Cinematic Experience:
-) missions
screens,
-) loading screens,
-) areas that become unplayable soon after you have finished a mission (some time with sudden "jumps" back to Normandy or the magical "press B" to end mission ),
-) No more direct passage between ship and land/planets,
-) Many many super short and super linear level with nothing to do (except shoot...)
-) Space "cut scenes" that are rendered with a different style
-) The impossbility to talk to your fellows during the missions
-) Less inspired design
-) Inferior cinematic-visual appeal (no anti-aliasing & no motion blur & different grain filter).

And what has happend to the epic wonderful soundtrack?!?! Considering that it is created by the same people who created the first one, the only reason for such difference is that Bioware/EA leave a very short amount of time to the composers to create the music (or a shorter budget...)...

Also the characters and their dialogues seem to be less deep and efficient. And also their moods, motivations (etc..) are so weak...
Just consider the re-union scenes with Liara, Tali or Wrex. Very badly
written!
This time around all the character seems just lone puppets (not aware of what happend araund them) that are poor interpreters of a very limited and confined "dialogue tree". No progression in them, no evolution, no adaption to the plot (well actually, which is the plot?).

My only deep concern here is that usually the second episode of a trilogy is the most important one in terms of plot and storyline...
With ME2 the guys of the Bioware seems to have just finished their ideas!!!

But what the hell is happened to Bioware in the last 2/3 year?Have you spent all this time to convert ME2 to PS3?!?

Considering that ME2 came from  the same Company that has gives us so many MASTERPIECE, I just came to think that maybe all the problems here came directly from EA.
It is THE EA EFFETC?
Just considering what is happened with Dragon Age (A PC-game brutally ported in "some way" on the consoles) maybe this is the case...

But I do not understand why EA keep following bad business decision!!! The NEW-EA is still the OLD EA!!!
With ME2 everything seems to point out that EA just want to use the prestige and the heritage of ME Brand in order to make a mass marekt game. EA STILL follow short time sales!!!!
The problem is that If ME3 will be like ME2... well, Mass Effect brand will have a certain death!
Is it possible that no one can understand that?
It is sad to said that but, following this path, in the long period also Bioware will have a certain death!
And un fortunatelly this has already happened many time in the past under EA!

Please Bioware do not let EA rape and waste your IPs!
Please Bioware do not let EA rape and waste your IDENTITY!
Please Bioware do not let EA rape and waste your CORE BASE!

If is it true that Bioware listen to their fan, I really hope this time they will be able not only to listen but ALSO to UNDERSTAND what their fans are telling them!

Sorry for my English (I am Italian)
Sorry if I was too Hard with you.
I have deeply loved your game, I really hope that I will able love them also in the future.

Good luck!

FL


P.s.: This sentence from Mrs Christina Norman has really worried me:
“Fans complaining (About lack of RPG experience in ME2) is a small
percentage of the overall post (In the Bioware forums)” ...

wrong...wrong...wrong...100 times wrong....That is all...Thank you for playing.

[kraze07]

Too many big walls of text so I'll just say for me ME1 was like The Phantom Menace while ME2 was like Attack of the Clones. The Phantom Menace seem to be more focused on story while Attack of the Clones was more about the action.

[KitsuneRommel]

kraze07 wrote...

Too many big walls of text so I'll just say for me ME1 was like The Phantom Menace while ME2 was like Attack of the Clones. The Phantom Menace seem to be more focused on story while Attack of the Clones was more about the action.

So you mean both of them were horrible? Meesa gonna cry.

[CHT87]

ME2 is far better than ME1.
It also sold more units...

I think the OP should just leave the vicinity... ^___^

Also:

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 18 mai 2010 - 05:23 .

[Throw_this_away]

DreDk wrote...

Mass Effect 1 is the TRUE Masterpiece.

No

[Ecael]

DreDk wrote...

After another month my personal feeling & judgment about ME2 are getting worse & worser.
And luckily I am not alone!
The attempt of EA/Bioware to use the ME franchise in order to create a mass-market shooter (a la Modern Warfare) has just failed brutally.

Of course it failed brutally. It's still not a mass-market shooter - it's an RPG, just as much as Mass Effect 1 is.

With the result that many many originally devoted ME fans now feel themselfs betrayed by Bioware. I personally have lost faith in Bioware and my affection for ME franchise has been reduced enormously after ME2.

Hyperbole much?

If you go around the web, inside the forums, on comment sections of videogames sites, literally e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e people are complaining about ME2!

Now finally Bioware is no more in the position to lie saying “people complaining about ME2 are few and just on our site”. Bioware now can not hide the evidence, no more.
The disappointment about ME2 is everywhere.

If you go around the web, literally everywhere people are complaining about everything.

Try reading some actual critic reviews instead of relying on your biased collection of data and biased interpretation.

Bioware, I really hope you can save this fanchise.

They're not having any trouble after helping to lift EA out of a financial slump with their game sales.

[iharal5]

This OP is maybe the most hyperbolic thing I have ever read. I also feel that most people disagree with him on all points, so please BioWare, don't go back to the ME1 game mechanics. Because, seriously, ME1 was pretty horrible on everything but the story.

[Throw_this_away]

Ecael wrote...

If you go around the web, inside the forums, on comment sections of videogames sites, literally e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e people are complaining about ME2!

Now finally Bioware is no more in the position to lie saying “people complaining about ME2 are few and just on our site”. Bioware now can not hide the evidence, no more.
The disappointment about ME2 is everywhere.

If you go around the web, literally everywhere people are complaining about everything.

Try reading some actual critic reviews instead of relying on your biased collection of data and biased interpretation.

I call it rule #35.  (see my sig)

[AlanC9]

Ecael wrote...
Try reading some actual critic reviews instead of relying on your biased collection of data and biased interpretation.

But remember, if a critic likes something you didn't, it's only because EA bribed him.

[Druss99]

OP did you really need to open this up again with yet more hyperbole and vague claims that you cant back up?



I saw this yesterday..



http://www.computera...e.php?id=246755



Voted for by xbox users. I dont see much complaining going on. Mind you I havent devoted a month to going around the web looking for complainers, I just happened across that.