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[StowyMcStowstow]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's be honest, DreDk.

Different people enjoy different aspects of games. It is impossible to please everyone all the time. Sometimes you will agree with our decisions and love the game we release, sometimes you won't. Is it impossible for us to predict what you as an individual will and won't enjoy, and it is a little misguided to believe that a) we can cater our games to individual gamers' tastes and preferences, and that you have to like everything we do.

I'm sorry you don't feel ME2 was as good as ME1. Perhaps you will like future products better.

I am torn as to which Mass Effect game I like better. Mass Effect 1 had a more satisfying ending (since the bad guy was far, far more defined), but Mass Effect 2 improves on a bunch of things, like the shooter aspect.

However, what Bioware seems to have completely disregarded was their core fan-base is made up of RPG fans, not shooter fans. I understand the need to attract new players, and to make money, but Mass Effect 2 completely disregarded any RPG elements besides the Dialogue wheels, and even Christina Norman bashed the forums as not being completely representative of the entire Mass Effect community. I'm sorry, but isn't that the point of the forums? So developers can see how things went down, what was loved, what was hated, what worked and what didn't? Norman, in her speech, completely disregarded the RPG fans, and the entire forum community by saying that they basically don't matter.

It might be nearly impossible for game developers to predict what individuals want, but the forums serve that purpose. Maybe if the devs checked the forums once in a while, they'd see a few things. Although the trudge of "this and this are crap" with no real constructive criticism tends to bog things down, the entire ME3 wishlist is an excellent source for the devs to look at and see what the players really want. It might take a while, because it is so long, but quality games equals more money. 
 

[Dreadstruck]

how am i violating? how is it every freaking day we see multi threads of the same thing? is it really that hard for people to look and see if it was already discused?

You serious? Just because you are annoyed by his post, it doesn't mean you have to sling insults in return.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 24 mars 2010 - 05:05 .

[Repellerar]

Let's be serious. Bioware creates a game that's brilliant, fun and exotic.

Still you complain. I know this sounds cheesy, but go create a game yourself. Because you will never find a game that's perfect, fits you needs. A.k.a THAT IS LIFE.

Modifié par Repellerar, 24 mars 2010 - 05:07 .

[Tazzmission]

Avalla'ch wrote...

how am i violating? how is it every freaking day we see multi threads of the same thing? is it really that hard for people to look and see if it was already discused?

You serious? Just because you are as well annoyed by his post, it doesn't mean you have to sling another verbal insults in return.

thats my nature so get use to it. dont like it report me its not like i just woke up this morning and say to myself hey let me troll for the hell of it. i said what i said and if my comments are that bad than how come i havent been warned so far? im not here to troll or spam but seriously enough is enough with the same threads everyday

[Warlock Angel22]

You lost all credibility when you said Mass Effect 1 was a True Masterpiece. Also, speak for yourself. Stop saying "we". You definitely have people who agree with you but you have just as many who disagree with you. I loved Mass Effect 1, flaws and all but I love Mass Effect 2 more. Hopefully, I'll love Mass Effect 3 more than either.

[Druss99]

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's be honest, DreDk.

Different people enjoy different aspects of games. It is impossible to please everyone all the time. Sometimes you will agree with our decisions and love the game we release, sometimes you won't. Is it impossible for us to predict what you as an individual will and won't enjoy, and it is a little misguided to believe that a) we can cater our games to individual gamers' tastes and preferences, and that you have to like everything we do.

I'm sorry you don't feel ME2 was as good as ME1. Perhaps you will like future products better.

I am torn as to which Mass Effect game I like better. Mass Effect 1 had a more satisfying ending (since the bad guy was far, far more defined), but Mass Effect 2 improves on a bunch of things, like the shooter aspect.

However, what Bioware seems to have completely disregarded was their core fan-base is made up of RPG fans, not shooter fans. I understand the need to attract new players, and to make money, but Mass Effect 2 completely disregarded any RPG elements besides the Dialogue wheels, and even Christina Norman bashed the forums as not being completely representative of the entire Mass Effect community. I'm sorry, but isn't that the point of the forums? So developers can see how things went down, what was loved, what was hated, what worked and what didn't? Norman, in her speech, completely disregarded the RPG fans, and the entire forum community by saying that they basically don't matter.

It might be nearly impossible for game developers to predict what individuals want, but the forums serve that purpose. Maybe if the devs checked the forums once in a while, they'd see a few things. Although the trudge of "this and this are crap" with no real constructive criticism tends to bog things down, the entire ME3 wishlist is an excellent source for the devs to look at and see what the players really want. It might take a while, because it is so long, but quality games equals more money. 
 

You talk as if everyone on the forum is of the same opinion, have you seen the polls that were taken? Even in the forums its a minority of fans. Millions of people loved ME2, its selling huge amounts, its critically acclaimed. The fact is she is correct the forum isnt completely representative of the ME community. Its sold millions, does everyone who bought it post on here? The forum is only a fraction of the community and the people complaining about the RPG elements are a fraction of the forum.

EDIT: I wasnt actually having a go at you, you do make some good points but Christina Norman was correct that its a minority who prefer ME1's rpg elements (which werent anymore of an rpg but im not getting into that) and as a company it doesnt make sense to cater just for the minority.

Modifié par Druss99, 24 mars 2010 - 05:12 .

[PseudoEthnic]

Yet again, another poster who thinks he speaks for everyone and makes a redundant thread that we've all seen over a million times. People like you make me sick.

[Tazzmission]

Warlock Angel22 wrote...

You lost all credibility when you said Mass Effect 1 was a True Masterpiece. Also, speak for yourself. Stop saying "we". You definitely have people who agree with you but you have just as many who disagree with you. I loved Mass Effect 1, flaws and all but I love Mass Effect 2 more. Hopefully, I'll love Mass Effect 3 more than either.

and i think people fail to realise that both mass effect games has about the same time rate with eachother.

[Solmenir]

Well, define an RPG. If RPG only means character building, big inventory system and kill-based xp, then ME2 is clearly disappointing. But story and character-wise, ME2 isn't much worse than ME1. Also, they vastly improved the combat system, the other aspect of the game, what is much more enjoyable now.

[FlyinElk212]

Let's say for argument's sake, we flipped around the release dates of the two games. So now, ME2 came first, with ME1 being the sequel. I could flip all of your arguments right around and make it so that ME2 was the masterpiece, and that "EA ruined Bioware's great game" w/ ME1, the sequel:

• You took away a tight fighting experience with choppy "bring up the wheel" sequences and powers that sometimes do the same exact thing (not to mention you can just pistol your way through the entire game easily)
• You gave us an extranneous inventory system that bogs down our gaming experience for negligable 1-5% upgrades-now I spend half my time reducing items to omni-gel to clear space.
• You took away the multiple varied, beautiful mission designs for a few clunky, palette-swapped levels
• You gave us a vehicle with clunky world terrain that makes it incredibly frustrating to get around (not defending planet scanning, though)
• You never gave the gamer a sense of impending doom--the final level on the Citadel didn't worry me at all
• You gave us less options for level variability for different experiences (only 3-4 worlds to choose in different orders as opposed to ME2's 8 recruitment mish's)
• You took away armor customization that forces me to stick with horrible pink armor sets for optimum efficiency
• You isolated the crew and made worlds seem less realistic without ongoing conversations
• You sacrificed great characters and character development for more 1 dimensional characters (face it, even Garrus and Tali in ME1 were a little 1 dimensional; Wrex was the only standout member)
• Conversation systems were trite and boring, lacking the amount of variability that it did in ME2 (some chosen options in ME1 even lead to the same response!! What is that?!)

And that's only 10 things I have time to write (gotta go to work now). I could easily come up with 10 more.

Face it--ME1 isn't "a masterpiece" compared to ME2. Both games are on the same level- they simply have different strengths and weaknesses. One game excels where the other miserably failed.

[Tazzmission]

Solmenir wrote...

Well, define an RPG. If RPG only means character building, big inventory system and kill-based xp, then ME2 is clearly disappointing. But story and character-wise, ME2 isn't much worse than ME1. Also, they vastly improved the combat system, the other aspect of the game, what is much more enjoyable now.

me2 is me1 but with better gameplay and graphics. but still both games rule.

[ratzerman]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Yet again, another poster who thinks he speaks for everyone and makes a redundant thread that we've all seen over a million times. People like you make me sick.

Over a million times, huh?  People who resort to hyperbole make me sick.

[jlb524]

Tazzmission wrote...

Solmenir wrote...

Well, define an RPG. If RPG only means character building, big inventory system and kill-based xp, then ME2 is clearly disappointing. But story and character-wise, ME2 isn't much worse than ME1. Also, they vastly improved the combat system, the other aspect of the game, what is much more enjoyable now.

me2 is me1 but with better gameplay and graphics. but still both games rule.

Right, gameplay and graphics may have been improved but the ME2 story was forgettable.  Lack of compelling storyline and a lack of feeling 'connected' with the gameplay universe kills replay chances for me, unfortunately.

[Solmenir]

Tazzmission wrote...

Solmenir wrote...

Well, define an RPG. If RPG only means character building, big inventory system and kill-based xp, then ME2 is clearly disappointing. But story and character-wise, ME2 isn't much worse than ME1. Also, they vastly improved the combat system, the other aspect of the game, what is much more enjoyable now.

me2 is me1 but with better gameplay and graphics. but still both games rule.

qft :-)

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

Both Mass Effect games are masterpieces to me - flawed, but great in differing ways from each other. And looking at some of the games currently doing the rounds this gen, I think sometimes the ME games are taken for granted a bit. Sure, acknowledge the flaws, but look at how much both games do well. It still suprises me when I stop and look.



Being open minded and enjoying games for what they are, rather than what they aren't is a virtue i'm grateful for.

[Tazzmission]

jlb524 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Solmenir wrote...

Well, define an RPG. If RPG only means character building, big inventory system and kill-based xp, then ME2 is clearly disappointing. But story and character-wise, ME2 isn't much worse than ME1. Also, they vastly improved the combat system, the other aspect of the game, what is much more enjoyable now.

me2 is me1 but with better gameplay and graphics. but still both games rule.

Right, gameplay and graphics may have been improved but the ME2 story was forgettable.  Lack of compelling storyline and a lack of feeling 'connected' with the gameplay universe kills replay chances for me, unfortunately.

completed my 15th me1 game this morning with my 2pac shepard and now on my 12th me2 playthrough with him. this time i got wrex not to be killed so yea boy! i also noticed collectors in the me1 reaper vision youll see it if you look very close

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

jlb524 wrote...

Right, gameplay and graphics may have been improved but the ME2 story was forgettable.  Lack of compelling storyline and a lack of feeling 'connected' with the gameplay universe kills replay chances for me, unfortunately.

This. Yeah the individual writing wasnt bad, but it was so disconnected and relied upon the "new shooter combat" to prop it up, it finished up being an utterly forgettable experience.

Definitely one of the most disappointing "main plots" Ive played in a while. Little more than a "shopping list" that finishes up as an "epic sooeyside mishin!!!"

[MagicalSarai]

The actual combat of ME2 didn't really change. The only thing that changed were the item hoards and the convoluted menus... I think they did a remarkable job.

[StowyMcStowstow]

Druss99 wrote...

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's be honest, DreDk.

Different people enjoy different aspects of games. It is impossible to please everyone all the time. Sometimes you will agree with our decisions and love the game we release, sometimes you won't. Is it impossible for us to predict what you as an individual will and won't enjoy, and it is a little misguided to believe that a) we can cater our games to individual gamers' tastes and preferences, and that you have to like everything we do.

I'm sorry you don't feel ME2 was as good as ME1. Perhaps you will like future products better.

I am torn as to which Mass Effect game I like better. Mass Effect 1 had a more satisfying ending (since the bad guy was far, far more defined), but Mass Effect 2 improves on a bunch of things, like the shooter aspect.

However, what Bioware seems to have completely disregarded was their core fan-base is made up of RPG fans, not shooter fans. I understand the need to attract new players, and to make money, but Mass Effect 2 completely disregarded any RPG elements besides the Dialogue wheels, and even Christina Norman bashed the forums as not being completely representative of the entire Mass Effect community. I'm sorry, but isn't that the point of the forums? So developers can see how things went down, what was loved, what was hated, what worked and what didn't? Norman, in her speech, completely disregarded the RPG fans, and the entire forum community by saying that they basically don't matter.

It might be nearly impossible for game developers to predict what individuals want, but the forums serve that purpose. Maybe if the devs checked the forums once in a while, they'd see a few things. Although the trudge of "this and this are crap" with no real constructive criticism tends to bog things down, the entire ME3 wishlist is an excellent source for the devs to look at and see what the players really want. It might take a while, because it is so long, but quality games equals more money. 
 

You talk as if everyone on the forum is of the same opinion, have you seen the polls that were taken? Even in the forums its a minority of fans. Millions of people loved ME2, its selling huge amounts, its critically acclaimed. The fact is she is correct the forum isnt completely representative of the ME community. Its sold millions, does everyone who bought it post on here? The forum is only a fraction of the community and the people complaining about the RPG elements are a fraction of the forum.

EDIT: I wasnt actually having a go at you, you do make some good points but Christina Norman was correct that its a minority who prefer ME1's rpg elements (which werent anymore of an rpg but im not getting into that) and as a company it doesnt make sense to cater just for the minority.

I get what you're saying. But then again, the Bioware forums aren't the only fourms that have Mass Effect threads. The Escapist, Game Faqs, and dozens,  if not hundreds of other websites have Mass Effect threads and Mass Effect fans. Norman might not be wrong, but she isn't right either.

[Repellerar]

Let's be honest. This thread does NOT help anyone.

[Warlock Angel22]

That's my biggest complaint with some of these threads, Pseudo, people who think they speak for every fan. I agree with everything you said. Internet forums like this only make up a small percentage of fandom for any media.

Most people don't have the time or care to post about a game, a television show or movie. People who love the game probably post even less. I don't post as much as some but I am a "loyal" fan. Based on some of the comments you would think only "loyal" fans complain. For most people, it's in childhood when they understand that they are no longer the center of the universe. Guess what kiddies, there are plenty of people who don't believe the same as you and maybe even more.

In reality, it's a free forum, complain all you want in as many threads as you want. But saying stuff like "we", "most of us", "loyal fans" like you've done gallup polls and have been elected to represent all of us is silly.

I don't want Bioware to think people like you are speaking for everyone.

Edit: you could combine every  ME forum on the internet and you're not going to have even 100,000 people. Most people have too much to do than stay online posting about ME1 & 2. Hey, I'm shooting the breeze while at work and now I'm off to go do an audit. Bye.

Modifié par Warlock Angel22, 24 mars 2010 - 05:37 .

[Chuvvy]

ITT: People with varying opinions. 

Modifié par Slidell505, 24 mars 2010 - 05:33 .

[Tazzmission]

Warlock Angel22 wrote...

That's my biggest complaint with some of these threads, Pseudo, people who think they speak for every fan. I agree with everything you said. Internet forums like this only make up a small percentage of fandom for any media.

Most people don't have the time or care to post about a game, a television show or movie. People who love the game probably post even less. I don't post as much as some but I am a "loyal" fan. Based on some of the comments you would think only "loyal" fans complain. For most people, it's in childhood when they understand that they are no longer the center of the universe. Guess what kiddies, there are plenty of people who don't believe the same as you and maybe even more.

In reality, it's a free forum, complain all you want in as many threads as you want. But saying stuff like "we", "most of us", "loyal fans" like you've done gallup polls and have been elected to represent all of us is silly.

I don't want Bioware to think people like you are speaking for everyone.

i co-sighn on your statement because comments like the op's is what can indeed ruin what is a great franchise