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[Vena_86]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's be honest, DreDk.

Different people enjoy different aspects of games. It is impossible to please everyone all the time. Sometimes you will agree with our decisions and love the game we release, sometimes you won't. Is it impossible for us to predict what you as an individual will and won't enjoy, and it is a little misguided to believe that a) we can cater our games to individual gamers' tastes and preferences, and that you have to like everything we do.

I'm sorry you don't feel ME2 was as good as ME1. Perhaps you will like future products better.

Making a target-audience switch with a sequel will always result in people beeing dissappointed, more so than with independent franchises. It is one thing to make a sequel more attractive for a bigger audience but its another thing to concentrate on that new audience completely and forget about the existing one, the fans. And the real Mass Effect fans are mostly not hardcore shooter players. Since ME1 shooter combat was not that well developed, those people that really enjoyed the game loved other things about it then the shooting aspects. And most of these other things are inferior represented in the sequel, namely immersion, story, exploration, character progression, freedom.

Not only that the improved combat could have been done without sacrificing the mentioned aspects (which I would have loved) but so drasticly changing the design focus for a sequel will naturally result in a lot of dissappointed and for the futur turned off fans, which are those people that brought you where you are now with their support.

When I want to listen to classical music then I listen to Vivaldi when I want to listen to Metal then I listen to All Shall Perish (or others). If All Shall Perish release a classical album everyone will hate it, if a lost metal album of Vivaldi will be discovered (lol)  then it wont really be well precieved, no matter how good they are individually.

Modifié par Vena_86, 24 mars 2010 - 05:36 .

[Bigeyez]

At least we can all agree that Kotor is awesome.

[Solmenir]

KOTOR sucks btw.

[casedawgz]

Bigeyez wrote...

At least we can all agree that Kotor is awesome.

I still need to get it for pc. I've only ever played it on 360, and its backwards compatibility is terrible and renders it nearly unplayable.

[bjdbwea]

Vena_86 wrote...

Making a target-audience switch with a sequel will always result in people beeing dissappointed, more so than with independent franchises. It is one thing to make a sequel more attractive for a bigger audience but its another thing to concentrate on that new audience completely and forget about the existing one, the fans. And the real Mass Effect fans are mostly not hardcore shooter players. Since ME1 shooter combat was not that well developed, those people that really enjoyed the game loved other things about it then the shooting aspects. And most of these other things inferior represented in the sequel, namely immersion, story, exploration, character progression - mainly freedom.

Not only that the improved combat could have been done without sacrificing the mentioned aspects (which I would have loved) but so drasticly changing the design focus for a sequel will naturally result in a lot of dissappointed and for the futur turned off fans, which are those people that brought you where you are now with their support.

When I want to listen to classical music then I listen to Vivaldi when I want to listen to Metal then I listen to All Shall Perish (or others). If All Shall Perish release a classical album everyone will hate it, if a lost metal album of Vivaldi will be discovered (lol)  then it wont really be well precieved, no matter how good they are individually.

Well said. If you read this, Mr. Woo (and I think you might, even though you won't reply), then maybe you'll think about it. I know you can't say anything else openly than what you are saying, but perhaps you can influence something in your company. Once the RPG fans stop purchasing, and if the shooter fans stick with games that do the shooting part perfectly, it might be too late.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 24 mars 2010 - 05:40 .

[ImperialOperative]

DreDk wrote...

And what we have now instead? A bland shooter with:
No more RPG elements
No more intriguing
Story
No more intriguing quests
No more explorations
No more deep interaction with life-like characters
No more
vast area to play (like citadel)
No more "realistic" location (for example: citadel in ME1seems full of life..)

And ME1 wasn't a bland shooter?  Generally people find combat and shooting in this game to be improved.  ME1 is the game that can be considered a "mediocre shooter."

RPG elements are gone, because the inventory is gone?  Because there are less points to distribute?

Story is no longer intriguing? subjective

Intriguing quests? subjective

Exploration? lol, right because Mass Effect 1 had so much exploration.  Trekking generic plots of land and going into generic copypasta bunkers was great.

Deep interaction with life-like characters is gone? What?  What exactly changed?

Citadel was bigger? Well ME1 gave a thin illusion of "grand" locations through excessive use of long elevators, long hallways, and a lot of empty space.  In reality there is not much difference in the area size between the games.  Actually, collectively ME2 probably has more "city" type area.

Fact: no area in Mass Effect seemed "full of life."  No Bioware game has ever made a "life-like" locale, ever.

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 24 mars 2010 - 05:41 .

[Bigeyez]

Solmenir wrote...

KOTOR sucks btw.

*Shakes fist in anger*

[TurbanSoviet]

ah lets be honest DreDk ME2 had a different role in the mass effect universe than ME1

ME1 was the opener you were an alliance marine explore for answer

ME2 you now are working with Cerberus to find answers that Cerberus know sort of where they are but not what the answers are

both are different so the story can't really be comparable IMHO
and it is Biowares world not ours and they know the grand scheme of how this all fits together

Modifié par TurbanSoviet, 24 mars 2010 - 05:48 .

[yuncas]

Vena_86 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's be honest, DreDk.

Different people enjoy different aspects of games. It is impossible to please everyone all the time. Sometimes you will agree with our decisions and love the game we release, sometimes you won't. Is it impossible for us to predict what you as an individual will and won't enjoy, and it is a little misguided to believe that a) we can cater our games to individual gamers' tastes and preferences, and that you have to like everything we do.

I'm sorry you don't feel ME2 was as good as ME1. Perhaps you will like future products better.

Making a target-audience switch with a sequel will always result in people beeing dissappointed, more so than with independent franchises. It is one thing to make a sequel more attractive for a bigger audience but its another thing to concentrate on that new audience completely and forget about the existing one, the fans. And the real Mass Effect fans are mostly not hardcore shooter players. Since ME1 shooter combat was not that well developed, those people that really enjoyed the game loved other things about it then the shooting aspects. And most of these other things are inferior represented in the sequel, namely immersion, story, exploration, character progression, freedom.

Not only that the improved combat could have been done without sacrificing the mentioned aspects (which I would have loved) but so drasticly changing the design focus for a sequel will naturally result in a lot of dissappointed and for the futur turned off fans, which are those people that brought you where you are now with their support.

When I want to listen to classical music then I listen to Vivaldi when I want to listen to Metal then I listen to All Shall Perish (or others). If All Shall Perish release a classical album everyone will hate it, if a lost metal album of Vivaldi will be discovered (lol)  then it wont really be well precieved, no matter how good they are individually.

werd.

[DarthKaldriss]

DreDk wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

DreDk wrote...

Mass Effect 1 is the TRUE Masterpiece.

No, it's not.  Thanks for trying.

Hey people are you able to read just beyond the first line?

I
know that the text is poorely written (I am not english after all), but
at least I am not a blind person and I have still my PERSONAL OPINIONs about life and things.

So why I have just to
shut up?

               H'mmm I've read your post and disagree with you. Now does that make me blind eh because I don't agree with you ?  
                      Also your post is boring and stale I can understand why people do not read beyond the first line of which is a whine thread after all. But still your welcome to your opinion, that does not mean you have to share it with others........

[jlb524]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Definitely one of the most disappointing "main plots" Ive played in a while. Little more than a "shopping list" that finishes up as an "epic sooeyside mishin!!!"

The problem with the plot was that it focused too much on the individual stories of these 10 squad mates you have to recruit.  You, as Shepard, felt 'disconnected' from it. 

This character focused plot could have worked, IMO, if there was more of a focus on relationship building going on;  either between squad mates themselves or between squad mates and Shepard.  There simply wasn't, unless you romance someone, so Shepard felt like a spectator just watching other people's stories.  For example, I think KOTOR 2 had a more character driven plot but there was a sense of interaction between the crew and a sense of relationship building between the Exile and his/her crewmembers.  I think this worked and made the story enjoyable even though the main plot of that game was weaker than in KOTOR 1.

Modifié par jlb524, 24 mars 2010 - 06:16 .

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

DreDk wrote...

Mass Effect 1 is the TRUE Masterpiece.

No, Mass Effect 1 was a horrible joke. ME2 surpasses it in pretty much every way.

Modifié par Spaghetti_Ninja, 24 mars 2010 - 06:18 .

[Dreadstruck]

I really don't get the hate for ME1 in here. That game was epic and ME2 continues in its footsteps, a fooking badass franchise. What's so "horribly funny" about it, Spaghetti?

[AngryFrozenWater]

At least Mr Woo had the courtesy to respond to the OP. He obviously did not agree with the OP, but he was civil about it. On the other side of the spectrum I see a bunch of trolls destroying this thread to prevent any discussion. The OP raised some valid points, others were far fetched. Could be an interesting discussion if the thread wasn't flooded with comments that made absolutely no sense. Ah, well.

[Dethateer]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

DreDk wrote...

Mass Effect 1 is the TRUE Masterpiece.

No, Mass Effect 1 was a horrible joke. ME2 surpasses it in pretty much every way.

THEY'RE BOTH HORRIBLE JOKES, CAN WE SEE AN END TO THIS NOW?

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

The problem with the plot was that it focused too much on the individual stories of these 10 squad mates you have to recruit.  You, as Shepard, felt 'disconnected' from it. 

Precisely.  Shepard spends the whole game running around, solving everyone else's personal problems.  But since they all clam up after their loyalty missions, you're left feeling used.  The only possible emotional connections are with those squadmates who are interested in romance, but I stayed loyal to Liara.  So my Shepard was left feeling disconnected and lonely for the vast majority of the game.  It's ironic, since Bioware spent so much time pre-launch beating us over the head with their "emotionally engaging" talking points.

[Kalfear]

DreDk wrote...

Mass Effect 1 is the TRUE Masterpiece.

Mass Effect 2 is a good game that due much of its glory exclusively to the first episode: beacuse, as a stand alone game, ME2 is only a very bland and monotone shooter with unuseful dialogues.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW that our love for the second one came mainly from the HERITAGE that ME1 has leave to us.

And please Bioware do not compare ME2 to Empire Strike Back,  it would be better if you compare it to The Phantom Menace.

ME1 is a work of love for Xbox360 (with some flaws).
ME2 is only a good
multiplatform game (I am more than sure that it will come out also for the PS3):
ME2
just performs ZERO OPTIMIZATION for the Xbox360: it just use the
last hiteration of Unreal Engine as it is.
Where is the anti
aliasing? Where is the motion Blur? Why ALL the
in-game texts are UNREADABLE?
Ok, the frame rate now is stable, and there are no clipping anymore... But I am quite sure that ME2 achive all of this only thanks to the last progress made by the Unreal Engine itself!!!
And how they solve the infamous elevator scenes problems: just
replaced it with loading screens...

My ideal Mass Effect 2 would have been the first one without texture clipping and frame rate issue (and maybe a better inventory system).

And what we have now instead? A bland shooter with:
No more RPG elements
No more intriguing
Story
No more intriguing quests
No more explorations
No more deep interaction with life-like characters
No more
vast area to play (like citadel)
No more "realistic" location (for example: citadel in ME1seems full of life..)

Furthermore, ME2 is such an inferior Cinematic Experience:
-) missions
screens,
-) loading screens,
-) areas that become unplayable soon after you have finished a mission (some time with sudden "jumps" back to Normandy or the magical "press B" to end mission ),
-) No more direct passage between ship and land/planets,
-) Many many super short and super linear level with nothing to do (except shoot...)
-) Space "cut scenes" that are rendered with a different style
-) The impossbility to talk to your fellows during the missions
-) Less inspired design
-) Inferior cinematic-visual appeal (no anti-aliasing & no motion blur & different grain filter).

And what has happend to the epic wonderful soundtrack?!?! Considering that it is created by the same people who created the first one, the only reason for such difference is that Bioware/EA leave a very short amount of time to the composers to create the music (or a shorter budget...)...

Also the characters and their dialogues seem to be less deep and efficient. And also their moods, motivations (etc..) are so weak...
Just consider the re-union scenes with Liara, Tali or Wrex. Very badly
written!
This time around all the character seems just lone puppets (not aware of what happend araund them) that are poor interpreters of a very limited and confined "dialogue tree". No progression in them, no evolution, no adaption to the plot (well actually, which is the plot?).

My only deep concern here is that usually the second episode of a trilogy is the most important one in terms of plot and storyline...
With ME2 the guys of the Bioware seems to have just finished their ideas!!!

But what the hell is happened to Bioware in the last 2/3 year?Have you spent all this time to convert ME2 to PS3?!?

Considering that ME2 came from  the same Company that has gives us so many MASTERPIECE, I just came to think that maybe all the problems here came directly from EA.
It is THE EA EFFETC?
Just considering what is happened with Dragon Age (A PC-game brutally ported in "some way" on the consoles) maybe this is the case...

But I do not understand why EA keep following bad business decision!!! The NEW-EA is still the OLD EA!!!
With ME2 everything seems to point out that EA just want to use the prestige and the heritage of ME Brand in order to make a mass marekt game. EA STILL follow short time sales!!!!
The problem is that If ME3 will be like ME2... well, Mass Effect brand will have a certain death!
Is it possible that no one can understand that?
It is sad to said that but, following this path, in the long period also Bioware will have a certain death!
And un fortunatelly this has already happened many time in the past under EA!

Please Bioware do not let EA rape and waste your IPs!
Please Bioware do not let EA rape and waste your IDENTITY!
Please Bioware do not let EA rape and waste your CORE BASE!

If is it true that Bioware listen to their fan, I really hope this time they will be able not only to listen but ALSO to UNDERSTAND what their fans are telling them!

Sorry for my English (I am Italian)
Sorry if I was too Hard with you.
I have deeply loved your game, I really hope that I will able love them also in the future.

Good luck!

FL


P.s.: This sentence from Mrs Christina Norman has really worried me:
“Fans complaining (About lack of RPG experience in ME2) is a small
percentage of the overall post (In the Bioware forums)” ...

Excellent post thats reflective of most of the community no matter what website you go to!

PS: Christina Norman opinions have ALOT worried cause its obvious she hasnt been listening or only listens to the fan boys.
Its no accident that the endless threads that try to bring issues to the forfront go uncommented on by the mods and developers but idiotic fandon threads not based in reality get almost instant replies!
I really wish I had won the 41 million lottery, id buy huge shares in Bioware/EA and bring miss Norman to task on her comments! (not really but jesus, you would think one of the good doctors would step in and bring sanity to the travesty, or maybe they really no longer care now they sold company)

[Masticetobbacco]

mass effect 2 was superior to mass effect 1 in combat, missions, and graphics



mass effect 1 had a much better story. ME2 story was get your squad and GTFO to the collector base

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

Kalfear wrote...

DreDk wrote...

Mass Effect 1 is the TRUE Masterpiece.

Mass Effect 2 is a good game that due much of its glory exclusively to the first episode: beacuse, as a stand alone game, ME2 is only a very bland and monotone shooter with unuseful dialogues.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW that our love for the second one came mainly from the HERITAGE that ME1 has leave to us.

And please Bioware do not compare ME2 to Empire Strike Back,  it would be better if you compare it to The Phantom Menace.

ME1 is a work of love for Xbox360 (with some flaws).
ME2 is only a good
multiplatform game (I am more than sure that it will come out also for the PS3):
ME2
just performs ZERO OPTIMIZATION for the Xbox360: it just use the
last hiteration of Unreal Engine as it is.
Where is the anti
aliasing? Where is the motion Blur? Why ALL the
in-game texts are UNREADABLE?
Ok, the frame rate now is stable, and there are no clipping anymore... But I am quite sure that ME2 achive all of this only thanks to the last progress made by the Unreal Engine itself!!!
And how they solve the infamous elevator scenes problems: just
replaced it with loading screens...

My ideal Mass Effect 2 would have been the first one without texture clipping and frame rate issue (and maybe a better inventory system).

And what we have now instead? A bland shooter with:
No more RPG elements
No more intriguing
Story
No more intriguing quests
No more explorations
No more deep interaction with life-like characters
No more
vast area to play (like citadel)
No more "realistic" location (for example: citadel in ME1seems full of life..)

Furthermore, ME2 is such an inferior Cinematic Experience:
-) missions
screens,
-) loading screens,
-) areas that become unplayable soon after you have finished a mission (some time with sudden "jumps" back to Normandy or the magical "press B" to end mission ),
-) No more direct passage between ship and land/planets,
-) Many many super short and super linear level with nothing to do (except shoot...)
-) Space "cut scenes" that are rendered with a different style
-) The impossbility to talk to your fellows during the missions
-) Less inspired design
-) Inferior cinematic-visual appeal (no anti-aliasing & no motion blur & different grain filter).

And what has happend to the epic wonderful soundtrack?!?! Considering that it is created by the same people who created the first one, the only reason for such difference is that Bioware/EA leave a very short amount of time to the composers to create the music (or a shorter budget...)...

Also the characters and their dialogues seem to be less deep and efficient. And also their moods, motivations (etc..) are so weak...
Just consider the re-union scenes with Liara, Tali or Wrex. Very badly
written!
This time around all the character seems just lone puppets (not aware of what happend araund them) that are poor interpreters of a very limited and confined "dialogue tree". No progression in them, no evolution, no adaption to the plot (well actually, which is the plot?).

My only deep concern here is that usually the second episode of a trilogy is the most important one in terms of plot and storyline...
With ME2 the guys of the Bioware seems to have just finished their ideas!!!

But what the hell is happened to Bioware in the last 2/3 year?Have you spent all this time to convert ME2 to PS3?!?

Considering that ME2 came from  the same Company that has gives us so many MASTERPIECE, I just came to think that maybe all the problems here came directly from EA.
It is THE EA EFFETC?
Just considering what is happened with Dragon Age (A PC-game brutally ported in "some way" on the consoles) maybe this is the case...

But I do not understand why EA keep following bad business decision!!! The NEW-EA is still the OLD EA!!!
With ME2 everything seems to point out that EA just want to use the prestige and the heritage of ME Brand in order to make a mass marekt game. EA STILL follow short time sales!!!!
The problem is that If ME3 will be like ME2... well, Mass Effect brand will have a certain death!
Is it possible that no one can understand that?
It is sad to said that but, following this path, in the long period also Bioware will have a certain death!
And un fortunatelly this has already happened many time in the past under EA!

Please Bioware do not let EA rape and waste your IPs!
Please Bioware do not let EA rape and waste your IDENTITY!
Please Bioware do not let EA rape and waste your CORE BASE!

If is it true that Bioware listen to their fan, I really hope this time they will be able not only to listen but ALSO to UNDERSTAND what their fans are telling them!

Sorry for my English (I am Italian)
Sorry if I was too Hard with you.
I have deeply loved your game, I really hope that I will able love them also in the future.

Good luck!

FL


P.s.: This sentence from Mrs Christina Norman has really worried me:
“Fans complaining (About lack of RPG experience in ME2) is a small
percentage of the overall post (In the Bioware forums)” ...

Excellent post thats reflective of most of the community no matter what website you go to!

I'm not sure that's true, and if it is what right do you have to speak for 'most' of the community?  It may be your opinion, but it may not be everyone elses.  Many sites i've been to certainly have their share of posts discussing ME2 (and ME1's) drawbacks, but to say the majority have the same view as the OP simply isn't the case.

ME2 has plenty of flaws (in my opinion) and i too hope certain things are changed, but my opinion of things that aren't quite right with ME2 aren't the same as someone elses.   Too bad there aren't many people here that can't discuss flaws or positives without being open minded about it.  A differing opinion isn't a wrong opinion - it's just a different opinion.

[Kalfear]

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's be honest, DreDk.

Different people enjoy different aspects of games. It is impossible to please everyone all the time. Sometimes you will agree with our decisions and love the game we release, sometimes you won't. Is it impossible for us to predict what you as an individual will and won't enjoy, and it is a little misguided to believe that a) we can cater our games to individual gamers' tastes and preferences, and that you have to like everything we do.

I'm sorry you don't feel ME2 was as good as ME1. Perhaps you will like future products better.

I am torn as to which Mass Effect game I like better. Mass Effect 1 had a more satisfying ending (since the bad guy was far, far more defined), but Mass Effect 2 improves on a bunch of things, like the shooter aspect.

However, what Bioware seems to have completely disregarded was their core fan-base is made up of RPG fans, not shooter fans. I understand the need to attract new players, and to make money, but Mass Effect 2 completely disregarded any RPG elements besides the Dialogue wheels, and even Christina Norman bashed the forums as not being completely representative of the entire Mass Effect community. I'm sorry, but isn't that the point of the forums? So developers can see how things went down, what was loved, what was hated, what worked and what didn't? Norman, in her speech, completely disregarded the RPG fans, and the entire forum community by saying that they basically don't matter.

It might be nearly impossible for game developers to predict what individuals want, but the forums serve that purpose. Maybe if the devs checked the forums once in a while, they'd see a few things. Although the trudge of "this and this are crap" with no real constructive criticism tends to bog things down, the entire ME3 wishlist is an excellent source for the devs to look at and see what the players really want. It might take a while, because it is so long, but quality games equals more money. 
 

You know when people bash forums about the over all consensus?
When those forums saying not what the person wants to hear.
Bioware forums (and many many many many others) been over flowing in negativity about ME2, to a point that you cant miss or dismiss the general feeling for game unless you have already decided how you feel and the masses be damned.

Thats what I get from Christina Norman and the few hundread, but vocal, minority people that claim the game was a huge success. They just not paying attention to whats really being said and probably had no intention on doing so from the get go!

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that 95% of the pre sales are ME1 players and people convinced to play the game because they loved ME1. ME2 doesnt figure into those sales at all. I know I brought 5 new players to try ME2 because I loved ME1 so much and it showed in my passion about game. Not one of those 5 will be buying ME3 and I had to get reamed out (while appoligizing greatly) for wasting their time and money! But that dissatisfaction is obvious to all with but a glance at the forums. But Miss Norman not only says ME2 outsold ME1 on the strenght of ME2 (false) but that the same team that brought us ME2 should be retained over rehireing the ME1 team. Anouther falsehood that she just creates outta the blue to satisfy her obviously enormous ego. Again, Ignoreing what the forums say. 

I dont think developers should do point by point following of the forums but if you want a accurate over all feeling towards a product, a glance at the REAL forums attitude is all thats needed. And the REAL forum attitude has not been a positive one! Oh sure the same hundread fan boys start a congrats thread every second day to battle the endless stream of negative threads made on daily basis but again, you dont need to be a rocket scientic to see thats all smoke and mirrors and false imagery.

As I said before though, what I find really disappointing is so many threads are made that make great points (this one included or mine in signature as but a example) and yet none of those get any sort of responce (on topic that is, not mod saying "you cant please everyone") from Bioware yet I seen Javier sticking many of the copy and paste "thank you" threads werew the same people say the same thing over and over and nothing constructive or helpful mentioned. 

[AngryFrozenWater]

I found a cool post by someone who first played ME2 and decided to play ME1. This is what he or she said:

Before 4 weeks ago I didn't even know Mass Effect existed.

Then I pick up ME2 and thought it was the best game ever ... But decided to pick up ME1 just cause I wanted to see this "Sovereign" guy ... Whatever that was.

I just finished ME1 and ... I am speechless.

This is simply the best game EVER.

It's epic.

It's the first game where I honestly had "feelings" for the characters.

I felt so damn bad for the Proteans ...

I was awestruck by Sovereign ... Anchored to the citadel like the most evil squid ever conceived.

It was just incredible to see those tentacles pound on the citadel tower as Shep was walking on it ... Fighting her way TO IT.

This game is just beyond anything I expected. Pure and simple.

Again ... Best game ever ... And yes ... Even better than ME2 (although ME2 is still damn good).

Source: ME1 ... wow ... just wow.

It seems that the OP is not the only one who loves ME1.

As for me... I've played ME1 13 times. I have a hard time completing ME2 for the 4th time. I don't think I'll do a 5th. It just doesn't cut it for me. I rather play a true shooter than ME2.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 24 mars 2010 - 07:29 .

[spacehamsterZH]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

mass effect 2 was superior to mass effect 1 in combat, missions, and graphics

mass effect 1 had a much better story. ME2 story was get your squad and GTFO to the collector base

Oh look, reason. Good luck with that, it usually doesn't get you very far in threads like this.

[Druss99]

Kalfear wrote...

You know when people bash forums about the over all consensus?
When those forums saying not what the person wants to hear.
Bioware forums (and many many many many others) been over flowing in negativity about ME2, to a point that you cant miss or dismiss the general feeling for game unless you have already decided how you feel and the masses be damned.

Thats what I get from Christina Norman and the few hundread, but vocal, minority people that claim the game was a huge success. They just not paying attention to whats really being said and probably had no intention on doing so from the get go!

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that 95% of the pre sales are ME1 players and people convinced to play the game because they loved ME1. ME2 doesnt figure into those sales at all. I know I brought 5 new players to try ME2 because I loved ME1 so much and it showed in my passion about game. Not one of those 5 will be buying ME3 and I had to get reamed out (while appoligizing greatly) for wasting their time and money! But that dissatisfaction is obvious to all with but a glance at the forums. But Miss Norman not only says ME2 outsold ME1 on the strenght of ME2 (false) but that the same team that brought us ME2 should be retained over rehireing the ME1 team. Anouther falsehood that she just creates outta the blue to satisfy her obviously enormous ego. Again, Ignoreing what the forums say. 

I dont think developers should do point by point following of the forums but if you want a accurate over all feeling towards a product, a glance at the REAL forums attitude is all thats needed. And the REAL forum attitude has not been a positive one! Oh sure the same hundread fan boys start a congrats thread every second day to battle the endless stream of negative threads made on daily basis but again, you dont need to be a rocket scientic to see thats all smoke and mirrors and false imagery.

As I said before though, what I find really disappointing is so many threads are made that make great points (this one included or mine in signature as but a example) and yet none of those get any sort of responce (on topic that is, not mod saying "you cant please everyone") from Bioware yet I seen Javier sticking many of the copy and paste "thank you" threads werew the same people say the same thing over and over and nothing constructive or helpful mentioned. 

I think you will find your the minority. Posting the same thing in thread after thread wont change that. Look at the user reviews on gamefaqs the lowest it scores is 6 and its mostly 9/10 or 10/10. Also its user score on gamespot is 9.4 and 8.8 on metacritic. How about instead of a long rant that just makes you look like your foaming at the mouth and making stuff up you come back with facts to back up your claims? Because you dont need to be a rocket scientist to see YOUR all smoke and mirrors and false imagery.