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[MerinTB]

silverhammer08 wrote...
Sometimes I'm asking myself why people still buy games if everything they do is complain...

Not just games, but movies, books, comics, etc.

Often it feels to me like all people want to do is complain.  Like sometimes it feels they think they are only cool if they hate on stuff.  Or sometimes it feels like people believe they can only prove their love for one thing by trying to trash another thing.

It's tired.  It's old.  And I find it very, very sad.

[Tested-Faythe]

DreDk wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

DreDk wrote...

Mass Effect 1 is the TRUE Masterpiece.

No, it's not.  Thanks for trying.

Hey people are you able to read just beyond the first line?

I
know that the text is poorely written (I am not english after all), but
at least I am not a blind person and I have still my PERSONAL OPINIONs about life and things.

So why I have just to
shut up?

Dude, opinions are like a-holes... everyones got one. Your ass is no more special than the next guys. Same goes for opinions.

Modifié par Tested-Faythe, 25 mars 2010 - 01:13 .

[BatarianBob]

Noobius_Maximo wrote...

Thank you for being the millionth user to make the millionth topic on the same thing.

Seems to be more like the tenth poster making the millionth post.

[Sneelonz]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Let's be honest OP.
Are you expecting perfection in terms of your personal interests in what Bioware should have delivered in ME2?

You said ME1 was a masterpiece. A laundry list of complaints can be made about ME1 also or any other game for that matter.

I think constructive criticism is good, but I think some members are being a little too selfish. I also think that one should not expect and then complain that a game doesn't match every facet of their own personal opinion of what it should entail.

Bioware is not perfect.

Well, we should expect them to be.  Should we not expect a 100% complete game? It's like someone on these forums said, if we allow them to slip at 90% completion, they will go down to 80%, then 70%...

[hex23]

Sneelonz wrote...

Well, we should expect them to be.  Should we not expect a 100% complete game? It's like someone on these forums said, if we allow them to slip at 90% completion, they will go down to 80%, then 70%...

What? The game is complete. I've beaten it 3 times. I wouldn't be able to do that if it wasn't complete.

[Murmillos]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's be honest, DreDk.

Different people enjoy different aspects of games. It is impossible to please everyone all the time. Sometimes you will agree with our decisions and love the game we release, sometimes you won't. Is it impossible for us to predict what you as an individual will and won't enjoy, and it is a little misguided to believe that a) we can cater our games to individual gamers' tastes and preferences, and that you have to like everything we do.

I'm sorry you don't feel ME2 was as good as ME1. Perhaps you will like future products better.

Stanley, that is fine, and most people are willing for developers to be bold and try new things - as long as its still fun and engaging, but the problem is that the change from ME1 to ME2 is too drastic for many people to enjoy. ME2 was not the time to try out all these new ideas and crazy new concepts.

ME1 set the mood and table for was to follow, ME2 should have followed the same, if not dress up and fix the basic problems, not toss nearly every thing to try something new to where ME2 feels like a totally different game/genre then what we came to love (and hate) about ME1.

Modifié par Murmillos, 25 mars 2010 - 01:45 .

[wrexfan32hanalei]

the only mistake ME2 made was not inserting wrex into every scene. and sometimes twice per scene.

[Pocketgb]

Murmillos wrote...

ME1 set the mood and table for was to follow, ME2 should have followed the same, if not dress up and fix the basic problems, not toss nearly every thing to try something new to where ME2 feels like a totally different game/genre then what we came to love (and hate) about ME1.

I said it in a comment in a blog, and it's still pretty fitting: ME2 can be labeled an "RPG" the same way that Thief can be labaled an "FPS".

Only element that was necessarily lost was further custimization. Squadmates could use one or two more abilities as well.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 25 mars 2010 - 02:03 .

[Harcken]

Mass Effect 1's story was 10x better, but I enjoyed the smoother gameplay and companions of the second more than the first. If only we still had inventory, and some more skills to choose from...

[Hazelrah10]

I'll be honest... Mass Effect 2 is a awesome game! It's not perfect but then what is? I don't really care when genre it is labeled as. Just give me more ME because most other games feel boring now.

[Jackal904]

I like Mass Effect 2 much more than Mass Effect 1. But I also have concerns over EA's influence on Mass Effect in general.

[TAJ4Life]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's be honest, DreDk.

Different people enjoy different aspects of games. It is impossible to please everyone all the time. Sometimes you will agree with our decisions and love the game we release, sometimes you won't. Is it impossible for us to predict what you as an individual will and won't enjoy, and it is a little misguided to believe that a) we can cater our games to individual gamers' tastes and preferences, and that you have to like everything we do.

I'm sorry you don't feel ME2 was as good as ME1. Perhaps you will like future products better.

Yes there is its by listening to the community that enjoy RPG's because that is what ME1 was and you got feedback on it such as the lifts and loading times.

Instead of catering for those that only love shooters you need to think 'emm what are looking to make? An RPG or a Gears of War clone?'

Bioware you are well known for your RPG games please do not turn your future titles into more shooter based ones.

I have personally  enjoyed your games such as KOTOR 1, Jade Empire and ME1 but think about what you are used to and improving on that instead of straying from it will please those true to what you make and that is fantastic RPG's.

Also please don't use the Unreal 3 engine for ME3 its a terrible engine and makes games look static and very gears of war like especially when you shoot things leaves no marks or no damage to areas which is extremely old gen.

Please consider using the new CryEngine 3 for ME3 and please make ME3 the best RPG you have ever made.

[Octorox]

Spyndel wrote...

There are some things I like better about ME1. There are somethings I wish they did differently in Me2.

Me1 though was never a masterpiece. It was pretty good.

There are some things I wish they had done differently in Me2, but overall it is a much better game.

This

[hex23]

TAJ4Life wrote...

Yes there is its by listening to the community that enjoy RPG's because that is what ME1 was and you got feedback on it such as the lifts and loading times.

Instead of catering for those that only love shooters you need to think 'emm what are looking to make? An RPG or a Gears of War clone?'

Bioware you are well known for your RPG games please do not turn your future titles into more shooter based ones.

I have personally  enjoyed your games such as KOTOR 1, Jade Empire and ME1 but think about what you are used to and improving on that instead of straying from it will please those true to what you make and that is fantastic RPG's.

Also please don't use the Unreal 3 engine for ME3 its a terrible engine and makes games look static and very gears of war like especially when you shoot things leaves no marks or no damage to areas which is extremely old gen.

Please consider using the new CryEngine 3 for ME3 and please make ME3 the best RPG you have ever made.

People seem to forget that "ME1" was supposed to be a console shooter/RPG....not a PC based game that's 90% RPG. It was supposed to be a "Gears of War" style game with RPG elements. The ground work for that is in the first game, but it was implemented poorly. Basically "ME2" is the game "ME1" was supposed to be.

Also they aren't going to switch graphics engines 2/3 of the way through the trilogy. And even if they did, they probably wouldn't go with CryEngine 3 considering they want a broad spectrum of people to play their games. It's the same reason Vavle continues to upgrade Source instead of going with a completely new engine.

Modifié par hex23, 25 mars 2010 - 02:37 .

[hex23]

DreDk wrote...

ME1 is a work of love for Xbox360 (with some flaws).

"Some flaws"? It was terrible. Texture pop-in, constant slow down, clipping, random bugs....the list goes on. It was such a poorly designed game on 360 that a superior PC port came out 6 months later by a totally different dev team. And the game wasn't even meant to be on PC initially.

How do people have rose tinted glasses for such an obviously flawed game? It's mind blowing.

[kromm71]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Warlock Angel22 wrote...

I don't want them to go back to an inferior system in my opinion and waste time on technical nonsense like  crouch and inventory.

Hehe. Cool that you mention that. It seems crouch is present in ME2. I've modified a config file. Works. Animation and all. Nice. I am trying it out currently to see if it adds something to the game play.

I only wish that ME3 added things like prone, lean left and lean right as well. That would be cool. I miss throwing genades too. Sprinting could be improved as well. And a dedicated key for jump and one for cover. Not that silly combination which causes me to jump over cover by accident. I really hate that.

Edit: And while they are at it, maybe the scroll wheel could zoom from third person view to first person view and back.

Since we're at it.  Let's bring back the old scripts from Quake2.  Bind the following actions to a key of your choice:  jump, jump, duck, jump, fire, jump

[Onyx Jaguar]

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Ok, now I'm convinced.  ME 1 was the true RPG and ME 2 is a shallow shell of its former glory.  

At least we still have Doom the roguelike, am I right?

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 25 mars 2010 - 04:10 .

[KotOREffecT]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

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Ok, now I'm convinced.  ME 1 was the true RPG and ME 2 is a shallow shell of its former glory. 

noe it waznt!!....!!!!! Mass Affectz 2 wuz jus a dumber downed shoota wit intenze actionz tat doeznt have tay system of 100 thangs to turnz into omnigel goo ova n ovaz agin! Tat makez it ta bestest rpg evarrr n im rite n u rong!

[kromm71]

Sneelonz wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Let's be honest OP.
Are you expecting perfection in terms of your personal interests in what Bioware should have delivered in ME2?

You said ME1 was a masterpiece. A laundry list of complaints can be made about ME1 also or any other game for that matter.

I think constructive criticism is good, but I think some members are being a little too selfish. I also think that one should not expect and then complain that a game doesn't match every facet of their own personal opinion of what it should entail.

Bioware is not perfect.

Well, we should expect them to be.  Should we not expect a 100% complete game? It's like someone on these forums said, if we allow them to slip at 90% completion, they will go down to 80%, then 70%...

It's already happening and has been happening for some time.  In the old, real, forums (ie newsgroups like comp.sys.ibm.pc.rpg) purests were complaining about patches being d/l off the net.  That the games weren't being shipped as a finished product.  Patching was lowering the quality of games.

Now this "tradition" of incompletion continues.  We live in an era of always improving consumer electronics.  Buy the newest biggest tv, surround system.  Every year, the equipment gets better and we want the latest stuff.  Now consoles rule the gaming industry.  What is a console?  A streamlined PC.  Specifically, a PC from about 6-8 years ago. 

Games are made for consoles and then ported to PC.  PCs are still and will always be the tech leaders.  To be clear, it is not my intent to bash consoles, not at all. 

My point is that game developers *used* to push the tech envelope and now they don't (anybody remember trying to play Quake on a 486 or Morrowind on a 400Mhz?).  This is incongruent with current trends in consumer electronics. 

We have hit a glass cieling in gaming technology.  Consoles are great fun, I like them.  But they are not tech leaders.  You can only get so much horsepower out of a machine that costs less than my power supply.  This is like having  the latest in home theatre tech, hd, surround and all, but vhs tapes are more popular than dvds cuz they're cheaper, and all blu rays are simply upscaled vhs recordings.

To sum up, yes we should expect perfection and let's keep the candle burning, but the bar is continually being lowered.  It's a heresy that I cannot justify replacing my two year old 4870x2 card, cuz no game today can tax it.

[Kalfear]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

You know when people bash forums about the over all consensus?
When those forums saying not what the person wants to hear.
Bioware forums (and many many many many others) been over flowing in negativity about ME2, to a point that you cant miss or dismiss the general feeling for game unless you have already decided how you feel and the masses be damned.

Thats what I get from Christina Norman and the few hundread, but vocal, minority people that claim the game was a huge success. They just not paying attention to whats really being said and probably had no intention on doing so from the get go!

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that 95% of the pre sales are ME1 players and people convinced to play the game because they loved ME1. ME2 doesnt figure into those sales at all. I know I brought 5 new players to try ME2 because I loved ME1 so much and it showed in my passion about game. Not one of those 5 will be buying ME3 and I had to get reamed out (while appoligizing greatly) for wasting their time and money! But that dissatisfaction is obvious to all with but a glance at the forums. But Miss Norman not only says ME2 outsold ME1 on the strenght of ME2 (false) but that the same team that brought us ME2 should be retained over rehireing the ME1 team. Anouther falsehood that she just creates outta the blue to satisfy her obviously enormous ego. Again, Ignoreing what the forums say. 

I dont think developers should do point by point following of the forums but if you want a accurate over all feeling towards a product, a glance at the REAL forums attitude is all thats needed. And the REAL forum attitude has not been a positive one! Oh sure the same hundread fan boys start a congrats thread every second day to battle the endless stream of negative threads made on daily basis but again, you dont need to be a rocket scientic to see thats all smoke and mirrors and false imagery.

As I said before though, what I find really disappointing is so many threads are made that make great points (this one included or mine in signature as but a example) and yet none of those get any sort of responce (on topic that is, not mod saying "you cant please everyone") from Bioware yet I seen Javier sticking many of the copy and paste "thank you" threads werew the same people say the same thing over and over and nothing constructive or helpful mentioned. 

I think you will find your the minority. Posting the same thing in thread after thread wont change that. Look at the user reviews on gamefaqs the lowest it scores is 6 and its mostly 9/10 or 10/10. Also its user score on gamespot is 9.4 and 8.8 on metacritic. How about instead of a long rant that just makes you look like your foaming at the mouth and making stuff up you come back with facts to back up your claims? Because you dont need to be a rocket scientist to see YOUR all smoke and mirrors and false imagery.

Nice that you mention that. User score for ME2 was 8.8. Why didn't you mention that ME1 had a score of 8.4. Or was a 0.4 difference too close?

Source: Mass Effect.

Source: Mass Effect 2.

Notice he also doesnt mention the dozen or so websites that gave ME1 a 9.0 and ME2 a 6.7.

But thats the whole story with the fanboy crowd, they quote the bought and paid for reveiws like Game spot and ignore all the reveiws that didnt get free promotional content and bought and judged the game on its own merit as normal customers who paid for the product!

I fully agree All the usual big business web sites gave ME2 a great score, just like they do for every single game that BUYS ADVETISING SPACE and gives them access to interveiws and content!
I can name a boat load of crappy games these sites gave over 8.5 scores to, as can pretty much anyone else but hey, lets ignore all that if it promotes our minority opinion.

Im in minority Druss?? Welp we on the Mass Effect2 web site, prove it! Come on loud mouth, floors all yours, show me how the thousands upon thousands of negative posters manage to be the minority to the same vocal hundreads that loved the game!
I wont ask you to go anywhere else where the split only gets bigger and more vocal, show me the numbers on this very site!
I wont hold my breath cause unless you flat out lie(which based upon your scoring is possible) you will find the positive side is grossly out numbered by the negative reveiws! But hey, you want to waste time, go for it.

[KotOREffecT]

Kalfear wrote...

Im in minority Druss?? Welp we on the Mass Effect2 web site, prove it! Come on loud mouth, floors all yours, show me how the thousands upon thousands of negative posters manage to be the minority to the same vocal hundreads that loved the game!
I wont ask you to go anywhere else where the split only gets bigger and more vocal, show me the numbers on this very site!
I wont hold my breath cause unless you flat out lie(which based upon your scoring is possible) you will find the positive side is grossly out numbered by the negative reveiws! But hey, you want to waste time, go for it.

Actually, if DarthCain is around, he has the official Poll and the Poll says that the majority enjoyed ME 2 far more.

As much as I and others loved ME 1, your grasping here is quite pathetic, and your one of the reasons why these forums are starting to suck hard.

Modifié par KotOREffecT, 25 mars 2010 - 05:39 .

[TJSolo]

KotOREffecT wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Im in minority Druss?? Welp we on the Mass Effect2 web site, prove it! Come on loud mouth, floors all yours, show me how the thousands upon thousands of negative posters manage to be the minority to the same vocal hundreads that loved the game!
I wont ask you to go anywhere else where the split only gets bigger and more vocal, show me the numbers on this very site!
I wont hold my breath cause unless you flat out lie(which based upon your scoring is possible) you will find the positive side is grossly out numbered by the negative reveiws! But hey, you want to waste time, go for it.

Actually, if DarthCain is around, he has the official Poll and the Poll says that the majority enjoyed ME 2 far more.

As much as I and others loved ME 1, your grasping here is quite pathetic, and your one of the reasons why these forums are starting to suck hard.

His poll is not official and it is a fan poll, it is ok to look at to get an idea of impact of ME2 but can't be stated as fact.
If a poll does not have a way of qualifing whether or not a person have played ME1 and ME2 it will lead to a bias.
You can even look over some of the comments on the poll, there are people with no registered ME2, there are even people if you follow their avatar to their XBL account have no evidence of ever playing ME1.

[Pocketgb]

The other thing is that people who are generally displeased with an issue will go to pretty far lengths to let it be known.



Either way, there's two issues with a minority:

1. They very rarely provide a view of the majority, and

2. Have no effect on sales. A good look at MW2 for the PC will show this.



This isn't to say "lol you guyz suck!", just providing some fact.

[TJSolo]

Pocketgb wrote...

The other thing is that people who are generally displeased with an issue will go to pretty far lengths to let it be known.

Either way, there's two issues with a minority:
1. They very rarely provide a view of the majority, and
2. Have no effect on sales. A good look at MW2 for the PC will show this.

This isn't to say "lol you guyz suck!", just providing some fact.

Labels, fun and irratating all at the same time.
"Minority" or not as you want to claim even with out a proper Bioware poll, still provide feedback and influence on products.
The "minority" stated for weeks that ME2 was too light on exploration, weapons, stats, and other features. This produced a response from Bioware showing the "minority" view was accurate. The slideshow detailed how the features the "minority" talked about were indeed cut back and from the lead designers view too much. The "minority" view has influenced the lead designer for ME3 so that these various features are improved upon somehow. 

[NoBrandOnMe]

Have to agree with OP on this one.. ME1 had a much more epic feeling to it. ME2 still has some epicness, it just seems like the whole story is recruiting and dealing with your squad.. There are so many more options in ME1 and that's why it remains my favorite game.