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[NoBrandOnMe]

Taranatar9 wrote...

Noobius_Maximo wrote...

Thank you for being the millionth user to make the millionth topic on the same thing.

Seems to be more like the tenth poster making the millionth post.

Umm we are are Biowares forums.. The whole purpose of this site is for people to give their feedback.

[KainrycKarr]

DreDk wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

DreDk wrote...

Mass Effect 1 is the TRUE Masterpiece.

No, it's not.  Thanks for trying.

Hey people are you able to read just beyond the first line?

I
know that the text is poorely written (I am not english after all), but
at least I am not a blind person and I have still my PERSONAL OPINIONs about life and things.

So why I have just to
shut up?

'cos we've heard this opinion like 50 thousand times since the game came out.

[KainrycKarr]

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

Taranatar9 wrote...

Noobius_Maximo wrote...

Thank you for being the millionth user to make the millionth topic on the same thing.

Seems to be more like the tenth poster making the millionth post.

Umm we are are Biowares forums.. The whole purpose of this site is for people to give their feedback.

That doesn't mean say the same thing over, and over, and over, and over....

[TJSolo]

KainrycKarr wrote...

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

Taranatar9 wrote...

Noobius_Maximo wrote...

Thank you for being the millionth user to make the millionth topic on the same thing.

Seems to be more like the tenth poster making the millionth post.

Umm we are are Biowares forums.. The whole purpose of this site is for people to give their feedback.

That doesn't mean say the same thing over, and over, and over, and over....

Different people state the same basic issue a few times. The wording is different as well. It only appears to be the same from the view point of a person that isn't reading and just looking for something to disagree about.

[Pocketgb]

TJSolo wrote...

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Like I said in the post you just quoted, I'm not saying "LOL EFF YOU GUYS". Don't attempt to label me. I wasn't trying to label you.

I only provided two well know facets of a "minority of players". Modern Warfare 2's (PC) raging success supports this, even though they've completely dismayed, ticked off, and spot on the longtime PC players.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 25 mars 2010 - 06:48 .

[TJSolo]

Pocketgb wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

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Like I said in the post you just quoted, I'm not saying "LOL EFF YOU GUYS". Don't attempt to label me. I wasn't trying to label you.

I only provided two well know facets of a "minority of players". Modern Warfare 2's raging success supports this, even though they've completely dismayed, ticked off, and spot on the longtime PC players.

I have not labeled any one.(intentionally) I try not to use labels just to make points easier to argue against. I have no basis of comparison for your MW2, as I am not part of that customer base. Sales of a game proves nothing in the regards to this topic. History of Bioware games show that the vocal people get attention and get their wants/needs addressed somehow within the games Bioware makes.

[Pocketgb]

TJSolo wrote...

I have not labeled any one.(intentionally) I try not to use labels just to make points easier to argue against. I have no basis of comparison for your MW2, as I am not part of that customer base. Sales of a game proves nothing in the regards to this topic. History of Bioware games show that the vocal people get attention and get their wants/needs addressed somehow within the games Bioware makes.

To understand what happened with MW2 for the PC, imagine that the role-playing elements in ME2 were not just changed (or in the case of weapon modification, removed) but completely gone: MW2 for the PC lost dedicated servers or server list period - meaning, no huge servers with a bunch of your friends, no games that are customized to the server's choosing, no admins (hence TONS of hackers and hacked servers), list goes on.

In ME2, imagine not being able to customize your armor, not being able to choose your weapon, not being able to choose where you went for missions, not having ANY leveling...That's akin to how much MW2 lost.

And no it's not part of the topic, we've gone far from that. I was joining the side convo we had here, and how insignificant the minority's sales accomplish.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 25 mars 2010 - 07:40 .

[Moldy Poptarts]

I just have to laugh, so many whiners on every gaming forum Id consider going to. First, take off the nostalgia goggles. ME1 is a poor third person shooter with better than average rpg elements(ignoring ludicrous weapon skills, god that is so archaic). ME2 is a fairly good third person shooter with better than average rpg elements.

and whats with the hate on the story? i thought it was done well and bioware went about storytelling in a different manner that was rather enjoyable and kinda forced you to go into character development of your squad.


The problem with most games now that include choice is that its either save the orphanage or burn it down and beat the children to death with flayed kittens. And thats it, no way of really affecting the story outcome because it will end up either happy or sad, nothing else. Im hoping that all of these decisions we are making in these two games really add up to create a very diverse ending for every character you create. Grey areas make things more enjoyable as it adds depth. The idea of a suicide mission with squad mates not surviving is great, but was implemented poorly as the only way of really failing is by not playing the game, by not exploring the characters(who are the game) we were given.

I think people miss having an easily identifiable character as the antagonist. Saren was a good character and the Collecters pale in comparison.
Sure, Reapers have been present all along but they are a nebulous great death that are only slightly more tangible than your own inevitable death. Collectors were tools that only interacted with you by shooting and telling you were a dead man. Saren atleast acted in ways that made you hate him and then displayed that he had (twisted) reasoning behind his actions.

Heres an idea

story:
make it epic- lots of squad character exploration and development and have a story that makes us have a vested interest, a goal other than stop the apocalypse.

choices must have very meanigful consequences, prior made and then th ones you make.

squadmates should be aware of the surroundings and each other. I was very surprised the fantastic party banter present in DAO was absolutely gone and you couldnt even have dialogue options.

Combat: shooter mechancis as is works rather well. could use some tweaking to finesse the system but overall, works well.

Powers need to have more significance on higher difficulties. I will not go on about this as there are threads on it already.

Make weapon mods meangiful and visible. An upgraded uber sniper should look like a deathcannon instead of the generic you pick up at the military surplus retailer.

Character progression:
the morality system = persuasion was rather interesting, however it didnt help when trying to play a more well rounded character if starting from scratch.

Leveling up needs to be done differently as well. I honestly loved the mage in DAO as it allowed for a high degree of customization to suit your playstyle. Im not asking for somthing to that degree for each class but it would be nice to make one persons sentinal(or whatever) seem rather dissimilar to anothers instead of a slightly different allocation of points.

AND NO TEDIUS BUSYWORK TO BULK OUT GAMETIME. Grinding is bad, depsite what WoW would tell you.

Modifié par Moldy Poptarts, 25 mars 2010 - 07:50 .

[hangmans tree]

Noobius_Maximo wrote...

Thank you for being the millionth user to make the millionth topic on the same thing.

I just wanted to point out that if it were truth then BW should do everything to please those concerns
And if there are millon other like the OP, they are right you know? And BW should act accordingly to their wishes.
Thats all.

[Dracotamer]

Sadly, I agree with OP.

[Shallina]

ME2 is ME1 with improved combat controle but also with half of the feature of the first.



It's good that they improved combat controle, but why delete half of the feature of the first game while doing it?

[Mehow_pwn]

The only thing that maybe makes the ME2 better is the combat otherwise ME1 is better... with its rpg elements



And just to metion SO you think that god of war 3 is an rpg? because it contains souls and you can build up your weapons and your characters finds chests and new items from bosses?



No ,but what makes ME2 Is the dialogo and the fact that you can chose what you want to do and play with his ROLE



Otherwise im not sure if anyone has better explantion please go ahead



Also I love both ME2 and ME1, But indeed what bothers me is why they have to delete best features that made the game so great...

[Murmillos]

Pocketgb wrote...

Murmillos wrote...

ME1 set the mood and table for was to follow, ME2 should have followed the same, if not dress up and fix the basic problems, not toss nearly every thing to try something new to where ME2 feels like a totally different game/genre then what we came to love (and hate) about ME1.

I said it in a comment in a blog, and it's still pretty fitting: ME2 can be labeled an "RPG" the same way that Thief can be labaled an "FPS".

Only element that was necessarily lost was further custimization. Squadmates could use one or two more abilities as well.

I'm not talking about if the game falls under RPG.. or TPS..  I'm talking about the mood and genernal style and overall game play of the game.

Regardless of what ME1 was or wasn't, and what ME2 became and lost, the differences between the two games is enough to make most people unhappy.

Again, I clearly state, I love ME2, I just don't love that ME2 follows ME1.

[Druss99]

Kalfear wrote...

Notice he also doesnt mention the dozen or so websites that gave ME1 a 9.0 and ME2 a 6.7.

But thats the whole story with the fanboy crowd, they quote the bought and paid for reveiws like Game spot and ignore all the reveiws that didnt get free promotional content and bought and judged the game on its own merit as normal customers who paid for the product!

I fully agree All the usual big business web sites gave ME2 a great score, just like they do for every single game that BUYS ADVETISING SPACE and gives them access to interveiws and content!
I can name a boat load of crappy games these sites gave over 8.5 scores to, as can pretty much anyone else but hey, lets ignore all that if it promotes our minority opinion.

Im in minority Druss?? Welp we on the Mass Effect2 web site, prove it! Come on loud mouth, floors all yours, show me how the thousands upon thousands of negative posters manage to be the minority to the same vocal hundreads that loved the game!
I wont ask you to go anywhere else where the split only gets bigger and more vocal, show me the numbers on this very site!
I wont hold my breath cause unless you flat out lie(which based upon your scoring is possible) you will find the positive side is grossly out numbered by the negative reveiws! But hey, you want to waste time, go for it.

And here you are again making claims with nothing to back it up while demanding I do it. Why should I? I can sit here and blatantly claim opinions as facts too. Even though you proved my point yourself, thousands upon thousands eh? The game was bought by millions upon millions but dont let that get in the way of your fantastical mathematics. That would put the thousands in the minority incase your having trouble working it out. But im not here to deal with your wild delusions.

Where are these dozen or so negative reviews? Because I cant find them here...

http://www.gamestats...es.html#reviews ME2XBOX

http://www.gamestats...es.html#reviews ME2PC

http://uk.gamespot.c...ry;critic-score ME2XBOX

http://uk.gamespot.c...ry;critic-score ME2PC

http://www.metacriti...ffect 2#critics ME2XBOX

http://www.metacriti...q=mass effect 2 ME2PC

Out of all that theres 2 reviews that scored under 80 I believe. Hardly the dozens you speak of. Please present them.

Just for Angry Frozen Waters amusement here are the ME scores too, though to be honest Im not refuting any claims that it was a great game Im just arguing against this notion that ME2 is some sort of disaster.

http://uk.gamespot.c...ry;critic-score

http://uk.gamespot.c...ry;critic-score

http://www.gamestats...es.html#reviews

http://www.gamestats...es.html#reviews

http://www.metacriti...s/pc/masseffect

http://www.metacriti...x360/masseffect

There thats the critic scores, if you want to get into the user scores we can do that another day. Look Im not trying to prove ME2 is a better game thats your opinion I wont change that and I dont want to, your entitled to it. Im arguing against you trying to force it down peoples throats that your opinion is the majority. If you can prove it do it. If you cant then thats fine but calling people fanboys and acting like a rabid fanboy yourself isnt getting you anywhere.

[aksoileau]

ME2 >>>>> ME1

[KotOREffecT]

Mehow_pwn wrote...

The only thing that maybe makes the ME2 better is the combat otherwise ME1 is better... with its rpg elements 

But indeed what bothers me is why they have to delete best features that made the game so great...

Yes, because spending butt loads of time trying to keep track of all your items in a cluster**** of a flawed system is what really made ME 1(an excellent game) great... ........................... No.

[yoomazir]

KotOREffecT wrote...

Mehow_pwn wrote...

The only thing that maybe makes the ME2 better is the combat otherwise ME1 is better... with its rpg elements 

But indeed what bothers me is why they have to delete best features that made the game so great...

Yes, because spending butt loads of time trying to keep track of all your items in a cluster**** of a flawed system is what really made ME 1(an excellent game) great... ........................... No.

So you didn't like kotor then?

[ImperialOperative]

yoomazir wrote...

So you didn't like kotor then?

The inventory (and general UI) in KotOR was essentially the worst thing about the game.

[yoomazir]

ImperialOperative wrote...

yoomazir wrote...

So you didn't like kotor then?

The inventory (and general UI) in KotOR was essentially the worst thing about the game.

how so?

[KotOREffecT]

yoomazir wrote...

KotOREffecT wrote...

Mehow_pwn wrote...

The only thing that maybe makes the ME2 better is the combat otherwise ME1 is better... with its rpg elements 

But indeed what bothers me is why they have to delete best features that made the game so great...

Yes, because spending butt loads of time trying to keep track of all your items in a cluster**** of a flawed system is what really made ME 1(an excellent game) great... ........................... No.

So you didn't like kotor then?

No, KotOR much like Dragon Age was a better example of an inventory system that isn't a over-cumbersome mess and is flawed.

[ImperialOperative]

yoomazir wrote...

how so?

Because it's designed for consoles.

That said, it's still much better system than ME1.

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 25 mars 2010 - 04:18 .

[yoomazir]

ImperialOperative wrote...

yoomazir wrote...

how so?

Because it's designed for consoles.

That said, it's still much better system than ME1.

I always thought that the "console" accusation was always wrong, there are consoles rpgs that have good inventory mechanics. Don't blame the consoles, blame de developers then.

[KotOREffecT]

The thing about ME 1's system was that it was a pain to go down a list of items and have to omingel them, then start from the bottom of the list over and over, esp when you have a butt load of items. Not to mention accidently omnigeling an item that you didn't want to, never had this problem in KotOR or DAO.

In KotOR/Dragon Age, the inventory map is much better and more detailed for you and easier to navigate.

Modifié par KotOREffecT, 25 mars 2010 - 04:29 .

[sirandar]

Both games had their positive aspects, but overall I still thought ME1 was far closer to a masterpiece than ME2

[Shallina]

yup instead improving something that was cool. Equiping your squad, customising stuff and so on.



Only the UI that was not that good. Well instead of improving it and put a good one like the one in DAO or KOTOR. Completly deleting that feature is better !!! Oh yeah !



For ME3 let's delette the combat system as well !! and the texture !!! Some guys didn't like them.