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[errant_knight]

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Yea Anders was cute but the only option with him were a couple minor lines squeezed into the dialogue tree (yea bad pun intended).  Nathaniel though, he really came close to what I felt for the old Origins people but that could be because my PC was a HNF and there was that connection between them pre Awakenings.

I prefer Anders to Nathaniel (and Alistair to both) but I would not have been able to resist trying out a relationship between my HN and Nathaniel if it was offered. I don't think any other pairing in the game could be nearly as dramatic (it doesn't hurt that Nate is a total dreamboat).

I could only have gone there in the playthrough where my Cousland accepted Alistair's need to break up to allow for an heir. Not happily, but accepted it. Cheating on Alistair would simply be impossible.

[Godak]

Colenda wrote...

We've had one game full of relative triumph, now we may as well have an expansion full of relative failure.

You're missing my point. It completely destroys immersion! It just turns into "Oh, another war widow." or "Oh, another man who hanged himself." It removes all sense of tragedy/drama.

Modifié par Godak, 24 mars 2010 - 06:39 .

[DJ0000]

errant_knight wrote...
I remember someone from Bioware saying that there would be sexual tension between the party members and there was absolutely none--unless you count Oghren.

Have you tried running with Nate and Velanna.  He was definately coming on to her, espicially in the "You know you're beautiful" dialogue.

If romances were available I might have taken the option to kill him to get him out of the way : )

Modifié par DJ0000, 24 mars 2010 - 06:46 .

[errant_knight]

Colenda wrote...

Godak wrote...

Colenda wrote...

Godak wrote...

RPGlover732 wrote...

This is a dark fantasy, i think you guys forgot about that.

if you remeber in one of the origins your cousin gets raped thats not very fun either

There's a fine line between "dark" and "preposterous". BioWare kind of crossed it. If there is a romance in Awakening, it's probably going to end horribly, horribly wrong.

And yet you don't find it preposterous that a bastard or a peasant's daughter may be permitted to ascend to the throne? The odds of a bad love affair happening are much more likely. 

No one said fantasy had to be nice. 

The bastard has quite a bit of support, and that peasant was raised to Teyrn. So, no, I don't find it preposterous.

Yep - now look at the real medieval era. Do you see lots of social mobility? No? That's because there wasn't. 

The only odd thing about the affairs in Awakenings is the death rate and drama, which, like bastard kings, comes with the territory of heroic fantasy. All love ends, and, judging by the divorce rates in modern countries, it usually ends sooner rather than later. 

We've had one game full of relative triumph, now we may as well have an expansion full of relative failure.

Er, whee?

[errant_knight]

DJ0000 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
I remember someone from Bioware saying that there would be sexual tension between the party members and there was absolutely none--unless you count Oghren.

Have you tried running with Nate and Velanna.  He was definately coming on to her, espicially in the "You know you're beautiful" dialogue.

If romances were available I might have taken the option to kill him to get him out of the way : )

It didn't read to me like that at all, I'm afraid.

[Godak]

Colenda wrote...

Godak wrote...

Colenda wrote...

We've had one game full of relative triumph, now we may as well have an expansion full of relative failure.

You're missing my point. It completely destroys immersion! It just turns into "Oh, another war widow." or "Oh, another man who hanged himself." It removes all sense of tragedy/drama.

Buy Ferelden is going to be full of widows and the mentally troubled. It's had two civil wars, and one army of invading monsters. Those things don't typically bode well for the population's health.

Remember, Amaranthine wasn't affected much by the blight. The darkspawn pretty much sacked Ostagar, moved towards southern Ferelden, sacking smaller towns/villages, and marched straight to Denerim. Seeing how Howe (ha!) held back his men to slaughter the Couslands, I doubt that the death toll was anywhere near what other Arlings experienced.

[Sarah1281]

It didn't read to me like that at all, I'm afraid.

Especially when he says she has clown ears. And Sigrun later agrees.

[Godak]

Sarah1281 wrote...

It didn't read to me like that at all, I'm afraid.

Especially when he says she has clown ears. And Sigrun later agrees.

That's one of their first dialogues. Later on, he really does seem to have the hots for her.

[Godak]

Colenda wrote...

Godak wrote...

Colenda wrote...

Godak wrote...

Colenda wrote...

We've had one game full of relative triumph, now we may as well have an expansion full of relative failure.

You're missing my point. It completely destroys immersion! It just turns into "Oh, another war widow." or "Oh, another man who hanged himself." It removes all sense of tragedy/drama.

Buy Ferelden is going to be full of widows and the mentally troubled. It's had two civil wars, and one army of invading monsters. Those things don't typically bode well for the population's health.

Remember, Amaranthine wasn't affected much by the blight. The darkspawn pretty much sacked Ostagar, moved towards southern Ferelden, sacking smaller towns/villages, and marched straight to Denerim. Seeing how Howe (ha!) held back his men to slaughter the Couslands, I doubt that the death toll was anywhere near what other Arlings experienced.

True, but the game's set in a violent world. It has to be, in order to give the player an excuse to butcher lots of people. How many quests end in giving the characters involved a hug and a carebear? Very few. The impression I get from Origins is that 1/6 of the population are imprisoned because they're mages, 1/3 are oppressed, 1/6 are infighting nobles, 1/6 are criminal and the others do all the farming, manufacturing and trading to keep the rest fed and clothed. Most of the named characters carry arms, and if they don't, it's because they're mages. 

Shhhhh! I'm denying you logic!

Lalalalalalalalalala!

[urvashi]

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Yea Anders was cute but the only option with him were a couple minor lines squeezed into the dialogue tree (yea bad pun intended).  Nathaniel though, he really came close to what I felt for the old Origins people but that could be because my PC was a HNF and there was that connection between them pre Awakenings.

I prefer Anders to Nathaniel (and Alistair to both) but I would not have been able to resist trying out a relationship between my HN and Nathaniel if it was offered. I don't think any other pairing in the game could be nearly as dramatic (it doesn't hurt that Nate is a total dreamboat).

I could only have gone there in the playthrough where my Cousland accepted Alistair's need to break up to allow for an heir. Not happily, but accepted it. Cheating on Alistair would simply be impossible.

If Nathaniel were romancible, I'd create a HNF who didn't romance Alistair (as hard as that would be) just so I could romance Nate. 
At one point I had Nathaniel going around opening locked chests for my mage, and he kept saying 'Does this please you?'. Eventually I blurted out, "Yeah, baby, you can pick my lock any time." My husband got a good laugh out of that.

[goofygoff]

urvashi wrote...

At one point I had Nathaniel going around opening locked chests for my mage, and he kept saying 'Does this please you?'. Eventually I blurted out, "Yeah, baby, you can pick my lock any time." My husband got a good laugh out of that.

I thought that was very cruel of them to have that line in there and no way to respond to it.

Cruel, I say!

[SurelyForth]

urvashi wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I could only have gone there in the playthrough where my Cousland accepted Alistair's need to break up to allow for an heir. Not happily, but accepted it. Cheating on Alistair would simply be impossible.

If Nathaniel were romancible, I'd create a HNF who didn't romance Alistair (as hard as that would be) just so I could romance Nate. 
At one point I had Nathaniel going around opening locked chests for my mage, and he kept saying 'Does this please you?'. Eventually I blurted out, "Yeah, baby, you can pick my lock any time." My husband got a good laugh out of that.

I have a HN who romanced Alistair only to spare Loghain and pair Alistair with Anora. She would be a prime candidate for a Nathaniel relationship (except for the fact that she's kind of poisonous, but he seems to be ok with that).

[Patriciachr34]

As much a I find Nathaniel compelling, the fact that I killed his father and destroyed his family honor would make a romance near impossible. This would be true especially as a Cousland. Duty and family honor kind of demand that I do not legitimize his family name by becoming his spouse. Tell me, would you marry the person who killed the father you idolized even knowing this same father was a brutal murderer? There's just too much water under the bridge for any healthy relationship to exist.



Back on topic, I actually like the fact that not all the relationships in Ferelden are pristine. Oddly enough, I found this rather large dose or realism a bit refreshing. We're not moving about in the English Countryside world of Jane Austen where in the end the girl always gets the guy of her dreams and the villains are always drummed out of society. The setting is gritty, violent, and heart rending. The romance option in Origins allowed us the necessary moments of release from an otherwise brutal world. However, I believe I now understand why Bioware did not put romance options in this expansion. I think it would have distracted too much from the plot setting. It is suppose to be dark and oppressive. Sorrow and despair will often drive people to do sad and terrible things. Hence all of the broken relationships, suicides, etc. If you don't believe me, just read the paper. The world right now is in a period of despair. There seems to be an escalation of family related violence and violence against established institutions (this is why I no longer read the paper or watch the news).

[SurelyForth]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

As much a I find Nathaniel compelling, the fact that I killed his father and destroyed his family honor would make a romance near impossible. This would be true especially as a Cousland. Duty and family honor kind of demand that I do not legitimize his family name by becoming his spouse. Tell me, would you marry the person who killed the father you idolized even knowing this same father was a brutal murderer? There's just too much water under the bridge for any healthy relationship to exist.

Alistair will marry Anora even  though she worships her father who was responsible for the death of his father-figure (and she'll marry him despite the fact that he demands Loghain's execution). I don't think them falling in love somewhere down the road is entirely out of the question.

I also don't think Nathaniel really idolized his father as much as he wanted his approval. He seems to be pretty full of bitter memories. Once he comes to realize that a) his father was a monster responsible for his own demise and  the PC didn't kill him for unjust reasons, it doesn't seem to be a real issue at all.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 24 mars 2010 - 07:40 .

[lady winde]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

As much a I find Nathaniel compelling, the fact that I killed his father and destroyed his family honor would make a romance near impossible. This would be true especially as a Cousland. Duty and family honor kind of demand that I do not legitimize his family name by becoming his spouse. Tell me, would you marry the person who killed the father you idolized even knowing this same father was a brutal murderer? There's just too much water under the bridge for any healthy relationship to exist.

Love is blind as they say and Cupid has proven to have a rather sick sense of humor. Anything is possible.

[Patriciachr34]

SurelyForth ...



Yes. Nathaniel comes to terms with you killing his father and forgives the act. It still does erase the fact that you killed his father. I can tell you from personal experience that you can absolutely hate your parent, but they are still your parent. No matter how horrible that person is, there is this connection that just can't seem to be broken. This esoteric relationship would create conflict in anyone who was romantically involved with the child of this parent if the romantic interest had destroyed that parent.



As for the Alistair & Anora marriage, Alistair and Anora marry purely for political reasons. This is by no means a romantic relationship. So this conflict will not exist. it's more like a business arrangement.

[SurelyForth]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

SurelyForth ...

Yes. Nathaniel comes to terms with you killing his father and forgives the act. It still does erase the fact that you killed his father. I can tell you from personal experience that you can absolutely hate your parent, but they are still your parent. No matter how horrible that person is, there is this connection that just can't seem to be broken. This esoteric relationship would create conflict in anyone who was romantically involved with the child of this parent if the romantic interest had destroyed that parent.

As for the Alistair & Anora marriage, Alistair and Anora marry purely for political reasons. This is by no means a romantic relationship. So this conflict will not exist. it's more like a business arrangement.

I think there are extenuating circumstances at work in this situation (the PC doesn't choose to kill Howe, but is forced to because Howe attacks them). The PC doesn't just murder him in his sleep or anything. I actually think PC Cousland would have more hang-ups about falling in love with a Howe than Nate would have with falling for the PC.

I know that Anora/Alistair is political, but you can kind of get a hint that it might work out in the end if the PC doesn't become his mistress or spare Loghain.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 24 mars 2010 - 07:54 .

[Patriciachr34]

SurelyForth wrote...

Patriciachr34 wrote...

SurelyForth ...

Yes. Nathaniel comes to terms with you killing his father and forgives the act. It still does erase the fact that you killed his father. I can tell you from personal experience that you can absolutely hate your parent, but they are still your parent. No matter how horrible that person is, there is this connection that just can't seem to be broken. This esoteric relationship would create conflict in anyone who was romantically involved with the child of this parent if the romantic interest had destroyed that parent.

As for the Alistair & Anora marriage, Alistair and Anora marry purely for political reasons. This is by no means a romantic relationship. So this conflict will not exist. it's more like a business arrangement.

I think there are extenuating circumstances at work in this situation (the PC doesn't choose to kill Howe, but is forced to because Howe attacks them). The PC doesn't just murder him in his sleep or anything. I actually think PC Cousland would have more hang-ups about falling in love with a Howe than Nate would have with falling for the PC.

I know that Anora/Alistair is political, but you can kind of get a hint that it might work out in the end if the PC doesn't become his mistress or spare Loghain.

The Cousland hang-up thing is very true.  Playing my Cousland and running with Nathan left me very conflicted.  Initially I had to take him as he was one of the first characters that you aquire and he could pick locks.  However, I grew rather fond of him which left me with all sorts of guilt feelings for detroying his family despite the fact that it was justifiable.  Good job Bioware!  Seriously.  Well done indeed!

I honestly have never been able to marry Alistair to Anora.  So, I'll take your word on this one.  I always feel this would be like putiing a kitten in a wolves den.

[Ceridraen]

Khayness wrote...

He had sex without wearing underwear. He had it coming.

   My favorte part of the Morrigan/pc romance is when she puts ON clothes for their encounter. 'Must wear bra!' This also goes for the stripping down to purify before the Ashes. 



And there's this: You TRY to get away from real life news, go play a fantasy game, & ... here we go again.

Modifié par Ceridraen, 24 mars 2010 - 08:26 .

[Lowenhart]

Well i dunno how one could possible care about what going on with past romances in DA, i mean anyone who has a logical view forward the world gotta know what impact being a adventurer has on relationships, being always on the road. Suppose if i had that life style in Real life most relationship be short termed since it make the most sense with the type of lifestyle.

Plus if you into the same gender as yourself there wont be leaving any pregnants or offsprings behind.

Modifié par Lowenhart, 24 mars 2010 - 09:30 .

[Uidori]

SurelyForth wrote...

Godak wrote...
The bastard has quite a bit of support, and that peasant was raised to Teyrn. So, no, I don't find it preposterous.

And, really? Every single romance we see in Awakening can end in tragedy. Seems a bit unlikely.

The only love that can last is the love between a mage and his kitten.

If you recall that first romance ended in tragedy!  Poor Ser Pouncealot is DOOMED!