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[Uidori]

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Yea Anders was cute but the only option with him were a couple minor lines squeezed into the dialogue tree (yea bad pun intended).  Nathaniel though, he really came close to what I felt for the old Origins people but that could be because my PC was a HNF and there was that connection between them pre Awakenings.

I prefer Anders to Nathaniel (and Alistair to both) but I would not have been able to resist trying out a relationship between my HN and Nathaniel if it was offered. I don't think any other pairing in the game could be nearly as dramatic (it doesn't hurt that Nate is a total dreamboat).

I could only have gone there in the playthrough where my Cousland accepted Alistair's need to break up to allow for an heir. Not happily, but accepted it. Cheating on Alistair would simply be impossible.

Cheating on Alistair if you're queen is totally acceptable with Zevran though it makes for a less touching parting from Alistair in the beginning of DAA.  I found it odd though I was queen and at 100% friendly with Alistair he makes some comment about how weird it is to be married though we aren't even friends(at end of DA:O)...really?  Weirdo.

That chin crap of Nathaniel's totally took away from his appeal for me though I liked the progression of him becoming more human and thawing towards you.

[Lady Jess]

Lowenhart wrote...

Well i dunno how one could possible care about what going on with past romances in DA, i mean anyone who has a logical view forward the world gotta know what impact being a adventurer has on relationships, being always on the road. Suppose if i had that life style in Real life most relationship be short termed since it make the most sense with the type of lifestyle.

Plus if you into the same gender as yourself there wont be leaving any pregnants or offsprings behind.

Really? Quite cynical. I've been happily married for 17 years, the last 8 of those have been with him being in the army and gone for days, weeks, months, and even a year+ at a time. A loving, solid, relationship can and does endure in real life.

[J-Reyno]

Uidori wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Godak wrote...
The bastard has quite a bit of support, and that peasant was raised to Teyrn. So, no, I don't find it preposterous.

And, really? Every single romance we see in Awakening can end in tragedy. Seems a bit unlikely.

The only love that can last is the love between a mage and his kitten.

If you recall that first romance ended in tragedy!  Poor Ser Pouncealot is DOOMED!

Indeed. When my mage hears the story about Anders' cat, she begins to wonder if it might be worth invetigating cats and their connection to the fade. What with the possessed feline we witness in Honnleath, you really have to wonder.

Ser Pounce-a-lot, or any cat, being close to a mage doesn't seem to bode well, I'm afraid.

[Sarah1281]

Really? Quite cynical. I've been happily married for 17 years, the last 8 of those have been with him being in the army and gone for days, weeks, months, and even a year+ at a time. A loving, solid, relationship can and does endure in real life.

I think it would be easier to do that now than in DA. Now there are so many ways to keep in contact while in DA even letters are difficult to deliver due to bandit attacks, darkspawn attacks, random elven women killing everyone in the forest attacks...Plus Nida really didn't come off as a remotely strong character. At least she was honest about being married?

[Stoomkal]

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

As far as I can tell, it's just flavor. There's a lot of bad romance things going on in Awakening: Justice/Kristoff/Aura, Alma/Karren, the Warden whose wife is cheating on him, the quest in Blackmarsh and, of course, Oghren.

I've got a pretty dark sense of humor, and I found many of the side-quests/points of interest in Awakening to be inexplicably depressing.

I've been thinking of them as 'pointlessly depressing.'  I thought it might be leading to something, but apparently not. It's just sad and depressing for no real reason. It's odd that it's so focused on lost love, suicide, and adultery, and really don't get what it was supposed to add to the gaming experience, but there ya go.

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Yes. There is a difference between a "theme" and rampantly forcing an issue...

The adultery thing goes way, way to far. There is too much of it., and badly handled.

My first thought is the same whenever you see a theme go overboard and become forced...

Who at Bioware is going through a divorce right now?

[Stoomkal]

Colenda wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Er, whee?

You're lucky I'll never be in charge of designing a game. I like Thomas Hardy. Widows would only be the beginning. 

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So... women in your fantasy game would die of "embarrasment" or "swooning" then? 

You not the only one to read Hardy.

Time to move into the new millenium.  

[sylvanaerie]

Uidori wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Yea Anders was cute but the only option with him were a couple minor lines squeezed into the dialogue tree (yea bad pun intended).  Nathaniel though, he really came close to what I felt for the old Origins people but that could be because my PC was a HNF and there was that connection between them pre Awakenings.

I prefer Anders to Nathaniel (and Alistair to both) but I would not have been able to resist trying out a relationship between my HN and Nathaniel if it was offered. I don't think any other pairing in the game could be nearly as dramatic (it doesn't hurt that Nate is a total dreamboat).

I could only have gone there in the playthrough where my Cousland accepted Alistair's need to break up to allow for an heir. Not happily, but accepted it. Cheating on Alistair would simply be impossible.

Cheating on Alistair if you're queen is totally acceptable with Zevran though it makes for a less touching parting from Alistair in the beginning of DAA.  I found it odd though I was queen and at 100% friendly with Alistair he makes some comment about how weird it is to be married though we aren't even friends(at end of DA:O)...really?  Weirdo.

That chin crap of Nathaniel's totally took away from his appeal for me though I liked the progression of him becoming more human and thawing towards you.

I really didn't care much for his looks when I first met him (Kept seeing Rendon not Nate) but as I got to know the boy he won me over, esp when I would click on him to open something. He went from snarky/mean to really really sweet replies when I clicked him. He is SO not his father!!

[Lady Jess]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Really? Quite cynical. I've been happily married for 17 years, the last 8 of those have been with him being in the army and gone for days, weeks, months, and even a year+ at a time. A loving, solid, relationship can and does endure in real life.

I think it would be easier to do that now than in DA. Now there are so many ways to keep in contact while in DA even letters are difficult to deliver due to bandit attacks, darkspawn attacks, random elven women killing everyone in the forest attacks...Plus Nida really didn't come off as a remotely strong character. At least she was honest about being married?

I don't know, where he's deployed now all we really have is letters so, it's doable. I just hate seeing the cheating soldier wife crap perpetuated in her character.

[errant_knight]

Uidori wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Yea Anders was cute but the only option with him were a couple minor lines squeezed into the dialogue tree (yea bad pun intended).  Nathaniel though, he really came close to what I felt for the old Origins people but that could be because my PC was a HNF and there was that connection between them pre Awakenings.

I prefer Anders to Nathaniel (and Alistair to both) but I would not have been able to resist trying out a relationship between my HN and Nathaniel if it was offered. I don't think any other pairing in the game could be nearly as dramatic (it doesn't hurt that Nate is a total dreamboat).

I could only have gone there in the playthrough where my Cousland accepted Alistair's need to break up to allow for an heir. Not happily, but accepted it. Cheating on Alistair would simply be impossible.

Cheating on Alistair if you're queen is totally acceptable with Zevran though it makes for a less touching parting from Alistair in the beginning of DAA.  I found it odd though I was queen and at 100% friendly with Alistair he makes some comment about how weird it is to be married though we aren't even friends(at end of DA:O)...really?  Weirdo.

That chin crap of Nathaniel's totally took away from his appeal for me though I liked the progression of him becoming more human and thawing towards you.

I didn't mean that it was literally impossible. Just that it wouldn't happen.

[errant_knight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Really? Quite cynical. I've been happily married for 17 years, the last 8 of those have been with him being in the army and gone for days, weeks, months, and even a year+ at a time. A loving, solid, relationship can and does endure in real life.

I think it would be easier to do that now than in DA. Now there are so many ways to keep in contact while in DA even letters are difficult to deliver due to bandit attacks, darkspawn attacks, random elven women killing everyone in the forest attacks...Plus Nida really didn't come off as a remotely strong character. At least she was honest about being married?

Not cheating is a lot like not stealing. All it takes is the realization that you can't have what you want all the time, and that it's not always about you. There's also the whole behaving with a certain honor thing, but folks that don't get why cheating is bad probably won't get that either. Excuses are just excuses, whatever century/world you live in. (Note: this only applies to people who married voluntarily)

[Sarah1281]

Not cheating is a lot like not stealing. All it takes is the realization that you can't have what you want all the time, and that it's not always about you. There's also the whole behaving with a certain honor thing, but folks that don't get why cheating is bad probably won't get that either. Excuses are just excuses, whatever century/world you live in. (Note: this only applies to people who married voluntarily)

And yet that never seems to apply to non-HNF in a relationship with Alistair willingly either marry him to Anora or know that when they crown him he'll need to get married at some point...

[errant_knight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Not cheating is a lot like not stealing. All it takes is the realization that you can't have what you want all the time, and that it's not always about you. There's also the whole behaving with a certain honor thing, but folks that don't get why cheating is bad probably won't get that either. Excuses are just excuses, whatever century/world you live in. (Note: this only applies to people who married voluntarily)

And yet that never seems to apply to non-HNF in a relationship with Alistair willingly either marry him to Anora or know that when they crown him he'll need to get married at some point...

Both these things can be true.
And I think people are willing to do things in video games that they would consider despicable in RL. Most people that can do so in the game wouldn't abandon a real Redcliffe, or actually kill a child. I hope.

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 mars 2010 - 12:34 .

[Thalorin1919]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

SurelyForth ...

Yes. Nathaniel comes to terms with you killing his father and forgives the act. It still does erase the fact that you killed his father. I can tell you from personal experience that you can absolutely hate your parent, but they are still your parent. No matter how horrible that person is, there is this connection that just can't seem to be broken. This esoteric relationship would create conflict in anyone who was romantically involved with the child of this parent if the romantic interest had destroyed that parent.

As for the Alistair & Anora marriage, Alistair and Anora marry purely for political reasons. This is by no means a romantic relationship. So this conflict will not exist. it's more like a business arrangement.

The Alistair & Anora marriage could develop a romantic relationship if he is hardened I think. Anora wasnt really attracted to Cailan due to the fact she has known him since they were kids, and that they were both very different people. He kind of turned his back on his responsibilitys and had mistresses while she did everything, and that caused a rift between them.

I think Anora in time could come to love Alistair. If he his hardened, he will spend alot of time in court, and he is already a proven warrior. She could come to respect that, and Alistair is not a likely person to have mistresses, unless its the warden.

It's possible, but in the end, I always make him King by himself anyways. It would frickin suck to marry your half-brothers widow who is several years older then you, and to marry the girl who's father killed your half-brother and demolished your sacred order.

[Sarah1281]

It's possible, but in the end, I always make him King by himself anyways. It would frickin suck to marry your half-brothers widow who is several years older then you, and to marry the girl who's father killed your half-brother and demolished your sacred order.

As long as Loghain dies I think he's too thrilled about that development to care much about the problems with Anora. If he's not dead, though...yeah, sucks to be Alistair.

[errant_knight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's possible, but in the end, I always make him King by himself anyways. It would frickin suck to marry your half-brothers widow who is several years older then you, and to marry the girl who's father killed your half-brother and demolished your sacred order.

As long as Loghain dies I think he's too thrilled about that development to care much about the problems with Anora. If he's not dead, though...yeah, sucks to be Alistair.

Well, except for the fact that he says he doesn't want to marry her. Doesn't mean you can't convince him, but he'd rather not.

[Sabriana]

Nida wasn't married to Kristoff. Aura was, and they had a loving, faithful relationship, afaik.

[lisakover]

http://social.biowar...7/index/1849731

[Stoomkal]

Colenda wrote...

Stoomkal wrote...

Colenda wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Er, whee?

You're lucky I'll never be in charge of designing a game. I like Thomas Hardy. Widows would only be the beginning. 

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So... women in your fantasy game would die of "embarrasment" or "swooning" then? 

You not the only one to read Hardy.

Time to move into the new millenium.  

Er,  not quite sure what novelist you're thinking of there. And 'time to move into the new millenium' seems a strange comment from someone who spends time playing a crpg of Dragon Age's ilk. Doesn't all that platemail weigh you down too much to get beyond 1999? 

Apropos Nida:

Did she marry Kristoff before or after he became a Grey Warden? If before and he volunteered, then I have no sympathy for him. 

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Dear, oh dear.

If you *say* you are a Thomas Hardy fan, yet you cannot remember a Hardy novel where a woman dies from pure embarrasment, then you are not a Thomas Hardy fan...

Try one of his most famous and widely read novels, and then do not try and claim any literary expertise.

I will give you a hint... it has "-bridge" in the title...

[Sarah1281]

Apropos Nida:



Did she marry Kristoff before or after he became a Grey Warden? If before and he volunteered, then I have no sympathy for him.

I don't think they ever say whether Keenan was a GW or a husband first but from what I could tell, her main objection to all of this was being left alone in a strange country. If she hadn't had to move then it would be just like when her husband was simply in an army and she could stay in her community. Of course, she might have still cheated, but who knows?

[Legbiter]

Hillbillies meting out hillbilly justice.

[errant_knight]

Colenda wrote...

Apropos Nida:
Did she marry Kristoff before or after he became a Grey Warden? If before and he volunteered, then I have no sympathy for him. 

Really? So if there's a war--not a murky one, but one where there's a clear and present danger to everyone, say, WW2--and a man or woman feels the need to enlist, they're at fault if their spouse cheats? Are you sure that's the argument you want to make?

[errant_knight]

Colenda wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Colenda wrote...

Apropos Nida:
Did she marry Kristoff before or after he became a Grey Warden? If before and he volunteered, then I have no sympathy for him. 

Really? So if there's a war--not a murky one, but one where there's a clear and present danger to everyone, say, WW2--and a man or woman feels the need to enlist, they're at fault if their spouse cheats? Are you sure that's the argument you want to make?

'Feel no sympathy for him' was a mischosen phrase that I shouldn't have used. However, if someone 'feels the need to enlist' so strongly that they put it above the wishes of their spouse, then I'm not sure what other outcome they expect. 

Love? Loyalty? Respect for their sacrifice? Basic human decency?