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[RyrineaNara]

I too would at least like the other member of your squad to recognize your Li, and your Relationship. After Horizon, Joker mentions your dating Ashley/Kaidan. I'm not sure about the Liara thing with him thought.

[Ecael]

bushes289 wrote...

That's why I stated that it is merely my personal opinion, I actually view using the term I love too often as abusive. For example say a man cheats on a woman, if he still wants to be with her but doesn't really regret cheating, he will say I'm sorry, I love you constantly but his actions will show otherwise.

I've never been cheated on or even had a boyfriend but if I do find someone and he tells me he loves me, my overactive and suspicious mind will immediatly suspect foul play. It's not really fair of me especially since I don't have a personal experience to back it up, it's just how I feel. Heck my parents aren't even divorced and they tell each other the L word reasonably often. I did not mean to imply that you don't love your wife, I'm sorry that I came off that way. 

@Raphael diSanto

I am a female, but I'm a female who doesn't like the word love, flowers, romantic dates, chick-flicks, or anything that focuses strictly on romance(the only thing romantically cliche I love is chocolate, you can't go wrong with chocolate.) My idea of a perfect date would be staying up late watching gory movies or talking about the idiocy of Jack Thompson. I'm also straight. So yes I suppose I am in the minority when it come to females but I'm damn proud of it.

Thus, what I said:

Ecael wrote...

That just may be personal taste, though. Some people believe praise and affection through words is the best expression of love -- but for others, it might be just spending time with them, giving and receiving gifts, helping each other or simply physical affection. One person may prefer that it be 'translated' to them in one way, while at the same time they express themselves in different way.

(Yes, those are the five 'love languages')
:innocent:

you can't go wrong with chocolate.

I enjoy the taste of chocolate bars and treats.

That is NOT a joke.

[Collider]

I do want love to be at least be implied. This is the last game, let's have a few areas where we don't need to fill in the blanks.

[Suron]

Ecael wrote...

Personally, we should be able to tell that to anyone aboard the Normandy, just to see their reaction.

Zaeed's and Grunt's reactions coming from a male Shepard would be hilarious.

lol reminds me of DA:O talking to Oghren...

---slight convo spoiler with oghren---



he starts off talking like "y'know when two people travel together a lot..and...things..and...etc etc"

one of your responses is "I love you too, oghren"

if yer male he flips out "what..HEY..K....KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM....I was trying to be serious and you had to get all....THAT...on me"

if yer female he just makes a lewd comment..forget what it was


---end spoiler---


so I can see some hilarious reactions to this if you could lol

[Valmy]

bushes289 wrote...
That's why I stated that it is merely my personal opinion, I actually view using the term I love too often as abusive. For example say a man cheats on a woman, if he still wants to be with her but doesn't really regret cheating, he will say I'm sorry, I love you constantly but his actions will show otherwise.

Call me crazy but I think cheating on somebody and manipulating them is abusive.  I fail to see how that example has anything to do with saying I love you.  In fact it has zero to do with it.

Doing anything for an abusive reason is abusive.

Anyway I do say I love you to people I love alot.  As well as doing loving things for them.  I do not really see the point in NOT loving the people I love simply because...well...I don't know I cannot really think of a good reason not to.  Besides it is important for me myself to remind myself how important they are to me so I do not start taking it for granted.

Modifié par Valmy, 24 mars 2010 - 07:23 .

[CShep25]

Can you imagine Mark Meer saying I love you? -shudder-



If it is included, it shouldn't be made trivial. Perhaps right before a Shepard/LI death, it could be said without being ultra cheesy, and said with some degree of emotion and facial expression. But if Shepard gets the happy ending and they make out and skip off into the sunset, I don't think it needs to be said; the message is already be quite clear.

[Valmy]

CShep25 wrote...

Can you imagine Mark Meer saying I love you? -shudder-

If it is included, it shouldn't be made trivial. Perhaps right before a Shepard/LI death, it could be said without being ultra cheesy, and said with some degree of emotion and facial expression. But if Shepard gets the happy ending and they make out and skip off into the sunset, I don't think it needs to be said; the message is already be quite clear.

Well I think it goes without saying that anything they do needs to be done well or they should not do it at all.

Meer does alright with the emotional stuff but has a hard time with the flirty stuff.

[Ecael]

CShep25 wrote...

Can you imagine Mark Meer saying I love you? -shudder-

If it is included, it shouldn't be made trivial. Perhaps right before a Shepard/LI death, it could be said without being ultra cheesy, and said with some degree of emotion and facial expression. But if Shepard gets the happy ending and they make out and skip off into the sunset, I don't think it needs to be said; the message is already be quite clear.

Obligatory smile:

[Collider]

CShep25 wrote...

Can you imagine Mark Meer saying I love you? -shudder-

If it is included, it shouldn't be made trivial. Perhaps right before a Shepard/LI death, it could be said without being ultra cheesy, and said with some degree of emotion and facial expression. But if Shepard gets the happy ending and they make out and skip off into the sunset, I don't think it needs to be said; the message is already be quite clear.

I disagree. We should have it in the happy ending or have it implied during dialogue. Mark Meer is perfectly able to say it without being cheesy or inept, creepy sheploo smile aside.

[AmyBA]

bushes289 wrote...


That's why I stated that it is merely my personal opinion, I actually view using the term I love too often as abusive. For example say a man cheats on a woman, if he still wants to be with her but doesn't really regret cheating, he will say I'm sorry, I love you constantly but his actions will show otherwise.

I've never been cheated on or even had a boyfriend but if I do find someone and he tells me he loves me, my overactive and suspicious mind will immediatly suspect foul play. It's not really fair of me especially since I don't have a personal experience to back it up, it's just how I feel. Heck my parents aren't even divorced and they tell each other the L word reasonably often. I did not mean to imply that you don't love your wife, I'm sorry that I came off that way. 

I kind of get what you are saying and where you are coming from, but for someone like me, In my experience with relationships, it was always the ones that wouldn't say I love you or didnt like to say it that were the ones cheating or hiding something. When I was younger I had two different boyfriends who cheated on me, and neither of them liked the L word and gave the exact same reasoning you did. They both continued to cheat on their future partners frequently.

My older sister also thought saying i love you was fake and over used and didnt like it. Then one day her husband got up for work, Told her he loved her to which she just smiled and said have a good day, left the house and was killed. It has been 7 years and she says she still regrets deeply not saying I love you enough to him, or at least not saying it when he left that day.

I am married now, we say I love you everyday, and for both of us it causes us to feel warm and content to hear it from each other, it causes physical and emotional reactions.

I am also not a "normal girl". I dont like cutesy frilly lovey dovey things. I dont wear make up or dresses or get my hair and nails done. I've always been "one of the guys" to my friends. But I think REAL love and REAL loving relationships are important. I dont think its the over use of the word love, it is that too many people are willing to use it too freely instead of saving it for the right person and right situation, they dont seem to understand what REAL love is.

I think the ME love interest may not yet be to the LOVE stage, but they are supposed to be close and intimate and the classic idea of "meant to be" as it is a game and a "fantasy" after all, and maybe in ME3 they develope fully into love.

Modifié par AmyBA, 24 mars 2010 - 07:40 .

[bushes289]

Valmy wrote...

bushes289 wrote...
That's why I stated that it is merely my personal opinion, I actually view using the term I love too often as abusive. For example say a man cheats on a woman, if he still wants to be with her but doesn't really regret cheating, he will say I'm sorry, I love you constantly but his actions will show otherwise.

Call me crazy but I think cheating on somebody and manipulating them is abusive.  I fail to see how that example has anything to do with saying I love you.  In fact it has zero to do with it.

Doing anything for an abusive reason is abusive.

Anyway I do say I love you to people I love alot.  As well as doing loving things for them.  I do not really see the point in NOT loving the people I love simply because...well...I don't know I cannot really think of a good reason not to.  Besides it is important for me myself to remind myself how important they are to me so I do not start taking it for granted.

I think that what I'm saying is that I hate repetetiveness, everyday my father asks "how was school." I get unreasonably ticked off because he says it everyday, I can't stand repeated phrases. I don't need constant affirmation of affection through words, I rely on the way people act around me to gauge how they feel about me, I rarely place any stock in words.

As for the cheating thing, my point was that if my hypothetical boyfriend/husband told me he loved me, I'd start suspecting things. I'm unreasonably suspicious and always look for the worst in people. 

You also have to remember that you're a married adult, and I'm an 18 year old girl who lives with her parents and has never even hugged a guy (I despise physical contact, but not because of any weird religious reason, I wore a backbrace for scoliosis for two years, it made me extremely ticklish and sensitve to touch.) Our experiences with the phrase "I love you" is completely different, as in you have actual experience and I have none.

[Collider]

Bushes, who says the "I love you" in ME3 has to be repeated ad nauseum? It could be said once for all we know. Don't think there's much sense criticizing saying I love you in relationships if you've never been in one (sorry, you mentioned it).

[bushes289]

@collider

My issue with ME3 isn't repetetiveness, my issue is that every time a fictional couple has said I love you, it sounds fake and cheesy. I like the ME romances, I could handle the option of telling your LI you love them but I wouldn't like it if they told Shepard that, looking at you Kaidan, Jacob and Miranda.

Also, I never criticized other people, I merely said that I personally wouldn't like someone telling me that.

Modifié par bushes289, 24 mars 2010 - 08:44 .

[casedawgz]

Who said anything about love? I'm just trying to get you into bed. WORST PARAGON OPTION EVER.

[Ecael]

bushes289 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

bushes289 wrote...
That's why I stated that it is merely my personal opinion, I actually view using the term I love too often as abusive. For example say a man cheats on a woman, if he still wants to be with her but doesn't really regret cheating, he will say I'm sorry, I love you constantly but his actions will show otherwise.

Call me crazy but I think cheating on somebody and manipulating them is abusive.  I fail to see how that example has anything to do with saying I love you.  In fact it has zero to do with it.

Doing anything for an abusive reason is abusive.

Anyway I do say I love you to people I love alot.  As well as doing loving things for them.  I do not really see the point in NOT loving the people I love simply because...well...I don't know I cannot really think of a good reason not to.  Besides it is important for me myself to remind myself how important they are to me so I do not start taking it for granted.

I think that what I'm saying is that I hate repetetiveness, everyday my father asks "how was school." I get unreasonably ticked off because he says it everyday, I can't stand repeated phrases. I don't need constant affirmation of affection through words, I rely on the way people act around me to gauge how they feel about me, I rarely place any stock in words.

As for the cheating thing, my point was that if my hypothetical boyfriend/husband told me he loved me, I'd start suspecting things. I'm unreasonably suspicious and always look for the worst in people. 

You also have to remember that you're a married adult, and I'm an 18 year old girl who lives with her parents and has never even hugged a guy (I despise physical contact, but not because of any weird religious reason, I wore a backbrace for scoliosis for two years, it made me extremely ticklish and sensitve to touch.) Our experiences with the phrase "I love you" is completely different, as in you have actual experience and I have none.

As I mentioned, it seems like you and Valmy aren't coming to any kind of resolution, since you both see the methods of truly expressing love differently. Neither of you are wrong, but what feels awkward to one person may feel comforting to another (and vice-versa).

Anyway, back to Mass Effect...

[JamieCOTC]

Only if Shep can do the Han Solo "I know."

[casedawgz]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Only if Shep can do the Han Solo "I know."

Totally. My intent with my main Shepard is basically for him to be an amalgamation  of James Bond, Han Solo, and the Governator anyway.

[Neria Rose]

AmyBA wrote...

I kind of get what you are saying and where you are coming from, but for someone like me, In my experience with relationships, it was always the ones that wouldn't say I love you or didnt like to say it that were the ones cheating or hiding something. When I was younger I had two different boyfriends who cheated on me, and neither of them liked the L word and gave the exact same reasoning you did. They both continued to cheat on their future partners frequently.

My older sister also thought saying i love you was fake and over used and didnt like it. Then one day her husband got up for work, Told her he loved her to which she just smiled and said have a good day, left the house and was killed. It has been 7 years and she says she still regrets deeply not saying I love you enough to him, or at least not saying it when he left that day.

I am married now, we say I love you everyday, and for both of us it causes us to feel warm and content to hear it from each other, it causes physical and emotional reactions.

I am also not a "normal girl". I dont like cutesy frilly lovey dovey things. I dont wear make up or dresses or get my hair and nails done. I've always been "one of the guys" to my friends. But I think REAL love and REAL loving relationships are important. I dont think its the over use of the word love, it is that too many people are willing to use it too freely instead of saving it for the right person and right situation, they dont seem to understand what REAL love is.

I think the ME love interest may not yet be to the LOVE stage, but they are supposed to be close and intimate and the classic idea of "meant to be" as it is a game and a "fantasy" after all, and maybe in ME3 they develope fully into love.

So well said!

[Funcokler Xerow]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Only if Shep can do the Han Solo "I know."

How about Peter Griffin as Han Solo? "**** off."

[LiquidGrape]

Here's a scenario for you;

[INT. NORMANDY SR-2 - STARBOARD OBSERVATION]

In spite of Shepards efforts, the reaper armada proved impossible to quench.
An initual onslaught was only barely defeated by the united power of the council races; a fleeting victory as the main force of the ancient machines would soon be upon them.
The Normandy was badly damaged in the [massive, yet ultimately anticlimactic finale] and is now drifting in space; only the most basic ship functions operational.
Shepard and [Love Interest] sit motionless on the observation deck floor, gazing through the window screen which dominates the starboard bulkhead.
     In the vast emptiness beyond, a mass of light grows steadily larger; far too wavering in nature for a stellar phenomena, yet too palpable to be a mere trick of the eye.
- They both know what it is, and what that knowledge entails.

***Optional addition: Shepard and [Love Interest] are both naked; facing their inescapable death as proverbial "innocents", their vulnerability enhanced due to their lack of protective garments.***

A final dialogue/action wheel appears.
The options enclosed:

- [Embrace]
- [Do Nothing]
- ["I love you"]
- [Joke]
- [Comfort]
- [Seek Comfort]

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 24 mars 2010 - 09:24 .

[janeym27]

^^^^^ I can't tell if above is being sarcastic, but it's very, very sweet. lol



I don't know if the words 'I love you need to be said' in order for love to be evident, but it would certainly be nice to have the option. But let's face it, a lot of these guys have problems expressing themselves honestly when it comes to 'feelings'. (Not Kaiden and Thane, though. They just talk talk talk....)



I think, if handled well, an entirly wordless encounter with the LI could have the same implications though.



Also what about translator glitch! Shep says I love you, translator can't quite put that into exactly the right terms, so it comes out more like 'I enjoy you like an ice cream sundae'. And lo, another inter-species relationship is cut down in it's prime by technology!

[Qwepir]

justinnstuff wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Personally, we should be able to tell that to anyone aboard the Normandy, just to see their reaction.

Zaeed's and Grunt's reactions coming from a male Shepard would be hilarious.

That would be awesome.

Shepard: Grunt, I love you.

Grunt: HA!

Fixed.

Also:

Ecael wrote...
Obligatory smile:

I haven't seen that face in any of my playthroughs. Where does that happen?

Modifié par Qwepir, 25 mars 2010 - 12:54 .

[Gavinthelocust]

They knew I would pretty much dump my LI after sex in hopes of a female turian in the near future.

[Azint]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

They knew I would pretty much dump my LI after sex in hopes of a female turian in the near future.

You're going to make her injest, aren't you?

[Gavinthelocust]

Azint wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

They knew I would pretty much dump my LI after sex in hopes of a female turian in the near future.

You're going to make her injest, aren't you?

Yes
I never said I was going to stay with her, I have a galaxy to save and no time for shenanagins like "relationships".
+ 50 Renegade

Modifié par Gavinthelocust, 25 mars 2010 - 01:02 .