the stick up miranda's ****
#1
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 08:54
#2
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 09:33
#3
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 09:36
#4
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 09:41
That is, until she got all petty with Jack. I just can't be on Miranda's side.
Miranda
"my dad's an **** whose ego drove him to make the most perfect person ever - me! Only Cerberus and understands me. TIM loves me!"
Jack
"Cerberus nearly tortured me to death every waking moment of my entire childhood and locked me alone in a room, pumping me with drugs and lethal chemicals, letting me out only to have me fight and kill other children."
Yeah, Jack has my sympathy every time.
Modifié par binaryemperor, 24 mars 2010 - 09:43 .
#5
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 09:43
#6
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 09:46
#7
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 09:51
Bigdoser wrote...
I never really understood what joker meant by that stick up garrus ass can someone explain it to me? i am slow when it comes to jokes XD
Heh, when a person is said to have a "stick up their ass" they are very rigid, strict, kind of a killjoy.
In the first game Garrus was very uptight and stuck with the dark avenger motive, what with getting revenge on criminals and whatnot.
in ME2 Garrus lightened up a bit in terms of how he socializes with people, but he got even more aggressive with his criminal killing spree.
So he managed to lighten up, but he got even more murderous in the process. At least that's how I got it.
#8
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 09:56
binaryemperor wrote...
Bigdoser wrote...
I never really understood what joker meant by that stick up garrus ass can someone explain it to me? i am slow when it comes to jokes XD
Heh, when a person is said to have a "stick up their ass" they are very rigid, strict, kind of a killjoy.
In the first game Garrus was very uptight and stuck with the dark avenger motive, what with getting revenge on criminals and whatnot.
in ME2 Garrus lightened up a bit in terms of how he socializes with people, but he got even more aggressive with his criminal killing spree.
So he managed to lighten up, but he got even more murderous in the process. At least that's how I got it.
Ah that makes alot of sense thanks.
#9
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 11:10
When you put it like that, Miranda's complains about her childhood seem superficial. I don't think they are, however. The trauma of her childhood is just not that obvious as the one from Jack. To show you what I mean, I shall compare the two loyalty missions with each other.binaryemperor wrote...
miranda seemed annoying at first, but after sheshowed me her boobswarmed up to me, she started to be cooler.
That is, until she got all petty with Jack. I just can't be on Miranda's side.
Miranda
"my dad's an **** whose ego drove him to make the most perfect person ever - me! Only Cerberus and understands me. TIM loves me!"
Jack
"Cerberus nearly tortured me to death every waking moment of my entire childhood and locked me alone in a room, pumping me with drugs and lethal chemicals, letting me out only to have me fight and kill other children."
Yeah, Jack has my sympathy every time.
First, there is the one from Jack on Pragia. Ruined research facility, logs about experimenting on children, Jack telling stories about how she would get stuffed with drugs and was forced to fight other children. Really easy to understand how her childhood was traumatic.
Then there's the loyalty mission from Miranda. Actually the more interesting one if you ask me, because it subtly shows what went wrong with her childhood and how she projects her idea of an ideal one at her sister. She wants a loving family for Oriana because she never had one. Her father didn't even see her as a daughter, let alone love her as one. He wasn't even remotely proud of her, despite all her accomplishments.
There's also an interesting parallel between Oriana's career choice and Miranda's childhood. Oriana wants to become a social worker. That wouldn't be a fitting job for Miranda, because she never got to be social. Her father didn't allow her to have friends, to play with other kids from her age. That must have been pretty crushing for her, because it's obvious how she longed for it. Love, friends, having a father, a mother...
All this makes the confrontation between Miranda and Jack all the more ironic. They are too blinded by their own trauma's to see how they are actually very much alike. What connects them is their childhood, they both never had one.
#10
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 11:14
well all this means is i guess i just think with my penis. oh well, atleast i cant get the herpes in a vid.
#11
Posté 24 mars 2010 - 11:56
#12
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 12:35
#13
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 01:33
Also... if you're going to genetically engineer a perfect person to take over your empire... why make it the opposing gender? Think about it...
#14
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 02:07
binaryemperor wrote...
Jack
"Cerberus nearly tortured me to death every waking moment of my entire childhood and locked me alone in a room, pumping me with drugs and lethal chemicals, letting me out only to have me fight and kill other children."
Yeah, Jack has my sympathy every time.
Nice way of paying attention eh?Cerberus didn't do that to her. It was a rogue group. In the end the project was supposed to be like the ascenion program. But got out of hand to the point where the staff there stopped communicating with cerberus.
#15
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 02:35
OniGanon wrote...
I found Miranda annoying until her loyalty mission, and then I got to thinking more on her childhood. Miranda isn't the type to come out and say everything, and I get the impression her childhood was much worse than she describes, especially with the way she made damn sure her sister didn't suffer the same.
Also... if you're going to genetically engineer a perfect person to take over your empire... why make it the opposing gender? Think about it...
(IMO) I don't mean to single your post out or be in any way offensive but I am genuinely perplexed when I see a statement like this. I know that you know that Miranda doesn't exist. She never existed other than as a creature of fiction. There was never a childhood that was much worse than the one that she described. It just leaves me scratching my head sometimes when I see these types of posts. There's no offense intended to you or anyone, but you're rationalizing a fictional characters behavior to another poster on this board, based solely on your own assumptions or imagination. Huh? (IMO)
#16
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 03:49
Cammy has issues.
#17
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 03:51
binaryemperor wrote...
miranda seemed annoying at first, but after sheshowed me her boobswarmed up to me, she started to be cooler.
That is, until she got all petty with Jack. I just can't be on Miranda's side.
Miranda
"my dad's an **** whose ego drove him to make the most perfect person ever - me! Only Cerberus and understands me. TIM loves me!"
Jack
"Cerberus nearly tortured me to death every waking moment of my entire childhood and locked me alone in a room, pumping me with drugs and lethal chemicals, letting me out only to have me fight and kill other children."
Yeah, Jack has my sympathy every time.
LOL, I think Miranda showed everyone her boobs. And some were like:
Modifié par DragonShepard138, 25 mars 2010 - 03:53 .
#18
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 03:56
Rikketik wrote...
When you put it like that, Miranda's complains about her childhood seem superficial. I don't think they are, however. The trauma of her childhood is just not that obvious as the one from Jack. To show you what I mean, I shall compare the two loyalty missions with each other.binaryemperor wrote...
miranda seemed annoying at first, but after sheshowed me her boobswarmed up to me, she started to be cooler.
That is, until she got all petty with Jack. I just can't be on Miranda's side.
Miranda
"my dad's an **** whose ego drove him to make the most perfect person ever - me! Only Cerberus and understands me. TIM loves me!"
Jack
"Cerberus nearly tortured me to death every waking moment of my entire childhood and locked me alone in a room, pumping me with drugs and lethal chemicals, letting me out only to have me fight and kill other children."
Yeah, Jack has my sympathy every time.
First, there is the one from Jack on Pragia. Ruined research facility, logs about experimenting on children, Jack telling stories about how she would get stuffed with drugs and was forced to fight other children. Really easy to understand how her childhood was traumatic.
Then there's the loyalty mission from Miranda. Actually the more interesting one if you ask me, because it subtly shows what went wrong with her childhood and how she projects her idea of an ideal one at her sister. She wants a loving family for Oriana because she never had one. Her father didn't even see her as a daughter, let alone love her as one. He wasn't even remotely proud of her, despite all her accomplishments.
There's also an interesting parallel between Oriana's career choice and Miranda's childhood. Oriana wants to become a social worker. That wouldn't be a fitting job for Miranda, because she never got to be social. Her father didn't allow her to have friends, to play with other kids from her age. That must have been pretty crushing for her, because it's obvious how she longed for it. Love, friends, having a father, a mother...
All this makes the confrontation between Miranda and Jack all the more ironic. They are too blinded by their own trauma's to see how they are actually very much alike. What connects them is their childhood, they both never had one.
Except that everything Miranda went through Jack went through as well.
Not allowed to have friends? Check.
Achievements not her own because of what she was made into? Check.
Betrayed every time she trusted someone? Check.
There is nothing Miranda suffers through that Jack doesn't.
#19
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 03:57
OniGanon wrote...
I found Miranda annoying until her loyalty mission, and then I got to thinking more on her childhood. Miranda isn't the type to come out and say everything, and I get the impression her childhood was much worse than she describes, especially with the way she made damn sure her sister didn't suffer the same.
Also... if you're going to genetically engineer a perfect person to take over your empire... why make it the opposing gender? Think about it...
Because he wants to found a dynasty. A woman cannot knock up some random stranger in one hour and not know about it.
#20
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 03:59
CodyMelch wrote...
binaryemperor wrote...
Jack
"Cerberus nearly tortured me to death every waking moment of my entire childhood and locked me alone in a room, pumping me with drugs and lethal chemicals, letting me out only to have me fight and kill other children."
Yeah, Jack has my sympathy every time.
Nice way of paying attention eh?Cerberus didn't do that to her. It was a rogue group. In the end the project was supposed to be like the ascenion program. But got out of hand to the point where the staff there stopped communicating with cerberus.
Ah yes. Cerberus' good old fashioned "went rouge" excuse. Even if you buy that crap it just means that the Illusive Man is incompetent.
What happened to her is his responsibility.
#21
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 04:04
xfairyofnightx wrote...
does anyone else find her untrustworthy and a complete pain in the ass they just wish could be killed off if not for the achievement?
Nope she is very trustworthy and totally awesome.
#22
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 04:58
Commands loyalty? Heh, no way.
Garrus and Jacob all the time, no way I would let her lead. She's a tactician sure, but leader? Heh
#23
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 07:24
Rikketik wrote...
When you put it like that, Miranda's complains about her childhood seem superficial. I don't think they are, however. The trauma of her childhood is just not that obvious as the one from Jack. To show you what I mean, I shall compare the two loyalty missions with each other.binaryemperor wrote...
miranda seemed annoying at first, but after sheshowed me her boobswarmed up to me, she started to be cooler.
That is, until she got all petty with Jack. I just can't be on Miranda's side.
Miranda
"my dad's an **** whose ego drove him to make the most perfect person ever - me! Only Cerberus and understands me. TIM loves me!"
Jack
"Cerberus nearly tortured me to death every waking moment of my entire childhood and locked me alone in a room, pumping me with drugs and lethal chemicals, letting me out only to have me fight and kill other children."
Yeah, Jack has my sympathy every time.
First, there is the one from Jack on Pragia. Ruined research facility, logs about experimenting on children, Jack telling stories about how she would get stuffed with drugs and was forced to fight other children. Really easy to understand how her childhood was traumatic.
Then there's the loyalty mission from Miranda. Actually the more interesting one if you ask me, because it subtly shows what went wrong with her childhood and how she projects her idea of an ideal one at her sister. She wants a loving family for Oriana because she never had one. Her father didn't even see her as a daughter, let alone love her as one. He wasn't even remotely proud of her, despite all her accomplishments.
There's also an interesting parallel between Oriana's career choice and Miranda's childhood. Oriana wants to become a social worker. That wouldn't be a fitting job for Miranda, because she never got to be social. Her father didn't allow her to have friends, to play with other kids from her age. That must have been pretty crushing for her, because it's obvious how she longed for it. Love, friends, having a father, a mother...
All this makes the confrontation between Miranda and Jack all the more ironic. They are too blinded by their own trauma's to see how they are actually very much alike. What connects them is their childhood, they both never had one.
This. I understand Miranda's problems, but she needs to understand that Jack was destroyed by who she believes was cerberus, and this knowledge makes her NUTS.
At the endgame Miranda says something about how she understands that there is a lot more to Cerberus than she thought. Perhaps this means she may open up to Jack to some extent.
Modifié par binaryemperor, 25 mars 2010 - 07:27 .
#24
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 10:10
Oops, I said it. *hides*
#25
Posté 25 mars 2010 - 12:17
OneBadAssMother wrote...
Only thing I find weird is that she is a 'right choice' for fireteam leader during suicide run.
Commands loyalty? Heh, no way.
Garrus and Jacob all the time, no way I would let her lead. She's a tactician sure, but leader? Heh
Yeah i see her more as a tactician than a leader.




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