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[swk3000]

OniGanon wrote...
Also... if you're going to genetically engineer a perfect person to take over your empire... why make it the opposing gender? Think about it...

I don't know what's more disturbing: this meaning what I think it means, or the fact that I'm picking up on it.

[Cody]

IoCaster wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

I found Miranda annoying until her loyalty mission, and then I got to thinking more on her childhood. Miranda isn't the type to come out and say everything, and I get the impression her childhood was much worse than she describes, especially with the way she made damn sure her sister didn't suffer the same.

Also... if you're going to genetically engineer a perfect person to take over your empire... why make it the opposing gender? Think about it...

(IMO) I don't mean to single your post out or be in any way offensive but I am genuinely perplexed when I see a statement like this. I know that you know that Miranda doesn't exist. She never existed other than as a creature of fiction. There was never a childhood that was much worse than the one that she described. It just leaves me scratching my head sometimes when I see these types of posts. There's no offense intended to you or anyone, but you're rationalizing a fictional characters behavior to another poster on this board, based solely on your own assumptions or imagination. Huh? (IMO)

Actually a lot of people do this. Not only with game characters but with book and movie characters as well. It shows how much a person likes the story because it pulls them in to the point where they are making assumptions with their imagination about the characters. AS long as they know the fine line between ral and fiction then it's fine. Again mainly people do this because the story has pulled them in so much, and they get so interested in it that they analyze on the characters and other aspects of the story. Kinda fascinating really. At least in my opinion.

[tonnactus]

xfairyofnightx wrote...

 does anyone else find her untrustworthy and a complete pain in the ass they just wish could be killed off if not for the achievement? 

Yes.I did not like her too.A very stupid and annoying person.
And how does it make sense that she doesnt have friends?What is with niket that helped her to escape??

Modifié par tonnactus, 26 mars 2010 - 12:03 .

[EthrenDiak]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Miranda slash Jack?
Oops, I said it. *hides*

 First off, Jack would die before that notion even crosses her mind. Secondly... 

Personally, I don't like Miranda. While I see my Shepard as a cold-hearted bastard, Miranda's attitude just seems discordant. And for such a self-proclaimed genius, in my opinion she's very, very naive with regards to Cerberus and such.

[AntiChri5]

OneBadAssMother wrote...

Only thing I find weird is that she is a 'right choice' for fireteam leader during suicide run.
Commands loyalty? Heh, no way.

Garrus and Jacob all the time, no way I would let her lead. She's a tactician sure, but leader? Heh

Yeah you said it.

[AwesomeAuger]

If you have her partied at the end of the game and decide to destroy the Collector base, TIM tries to get her to stop you, but she says no. So by the end of the game she's not completly obsessed with Cerberus and TIM.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Miranda_Lawson
It's under suicide mission.

[EthrenDiak]

Uh-huh, and just out of curiosity: What happens if you were a complete ass to her and didn't secure her loyalty? What then? :innocent:

[Xaijin]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

There is a precedent, you know ... there's another game character that cloned himself as a female.
Cammy has issues.

And also wears no clothes and is annoying.

[Cody]

EthrenDiak wrote...

Uh-huh, and just out of curiosity: What happens if you were a complete ass to her and didn't secure her loyalty? What then? :innocent:

She still goes against Cerberus.

[Beerfish]

Nothing wrong with Miranda, she is used to being the head of the class kind of person and the illusive mans #1. It just takes her a while to realize how good Shepard is at doing his/her job.

[AwesomeAuger]

EthrenDiak wrote...

Uh-huh, and just out of curiosity: What happens if you were a complete ass to her and didn't secure her loyalty? What then? :innocent:

She does the same thing. Doesn't really make much sense to me that she would though.

[Urazz]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Rikketik wrote...

binaryemperor wrote...

 miranda seemed annoying at first, but after she showed me her boobs warmed up to me, she started to be cooler.

That is, until she got all petty with Jack. I just can't be on Miranda's side.

Miranda
"my dad's an **** whose ego drove him to make the most perfect person ever - me! Only Cerberus and understands me. TIM loves me!"

Jack
"Cerberus nearly tortured me to death every waking moment of my entire childhood and locked me alone in a room, pumping me with drugs and lethal chemicals, letting me out only to have me fight and kill other children."

Yeah, Jack has my sympathy every time.

When you put it like that, Miranda's complains about her childhood seem superficial. I don't think they are, however. The trauma of her childhood is just not that obvious as the one from Jack. To show you what I mean, I shall compare the two loyalty missions with each other.

First, there is the one from Jack on Pragia. Ruined research facility, logs about experimenting on children, Jack telling stories about how she would get stuffed with drugs and was forced to fight other children. Really easy to understand how her childhood was traumatic.

Then there's the loyalty mission from Miranda. Actually the more interesting one if you ask me, because it subtly shows what went wrong with her childhood and how she projects her idea of an ideal one at her sister. She wants a loving family for Oriana because she never had one. Her father didn't even see her as a daughter, let alone love her as one. He wasn't even remotely proud of her, despite all her accomplishments.

There's also an interesting parallel between Oriana's career choice and Miranda's childhood. Oriana wants to become a social worker. That wouldn't be a fitting job for Miranda, because she never got to be social. Her father didn't allow her to have friends, to play with other kids from her age. That must have been pretty crushing for her, because it's obvious how she longed for it. Love, friends, having a father, a mother...

All this makes the confrontation between Miranda and Jack all the more ironic. They are too blinded by their own trauma's to see how they are actually very much alike. What connects them is their childhood, they both never had one.

Except that everything Miranda went through Jack went through as well.

Not allowed to have friends? Check.

Achievements not her own because of what she was made into? Check.

Betrayed every time she trusted someone? Check.

There is nothing Miranda suffers through that Jack doesn't.

Except Jack suffered pretty much torture in those experiments she went through not counting the stuff she went through after she escaped Cerberus.

Jack's had the more traumatic childhood but Miranda's wasn't a good one either.  She may have had money but that means nothing when you basically have no friends and no family that loves you.  All she had was Niket as her only real friend and he ended up betraying her later on.

So it wouldn't suprise me if she let herself be deluded by the Illusive Man as she did see him as a sort of father figure I think and believed him when he said those cells 'went rogue' or didn't tell her the whole story about some of the harsher things he's had Cerberus do.

Bigdoser wrote...

OneBadAssMother wrote...

Only thing I find weird is that she is a 'right choice' for fireteam leader during suicide run.
Commands loyalty? Heh, no way.

Garrus and Jacob all the time, no way I would let her lead. She's a tactician sure, but leader? Heh

Yeah i see her more as a tactician than a leader.

She can be a good leader actually, she is respected by crew of the Normandy and is 2nd in command on the ship and has led Cerberus projects in the past.

The problem is that the squad has some problems trusting her because she is part of Cerberus (mostly Jack though).  It wouldn't suprise me if she is trusted by the others more after the the suicide mission, especially if you destroy the Collector base.

Modifié par Urazz, 26 mars 2010 - 04:03 .

[Cody]

AwesomeAuger wrote...

EthrenDiak wrote...

Uh-huh, and just out of curiosity: What happens if you were a complete ass to her and didn't secure her loyalty? What then? :innocent:

She does the same thing. Doesn't really make much sense to me that she would though.

Kinda does make sense actually. Mainly because even if you have her loyalty, she still thinks it's sick to use human lives to make a giant weapon of mass destruction.