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[Dsurian]

How goes it DA:O people...starting a playthrough over and I wanted to go over a few things before I did, hoping you all would help me out:

*Note: For the first Q, and this whole topic, I would really appreciate no Awakening spoilers if at all possible.*

1- Is there any reason for me to buy and install Awakening before i start my DA:O playthrough?  If not, is there any reason to not finish my playthrough until I have bought and installed Awakening?  My understsanding is that its a standalone sequel and you would be importing a completed DA:O origin, and Awakening doesn't effect the DA:O campaign in the least...but im not positive, and I'd like to be sure on this point...

2- I was kinda upset with my first playthrough...too many plot-snowballs starting sometimes without me even knowing that i started them, too many decisions that i didnt like that were made for me by my past actions , etc.  My biggest qualm would have to be the choice between Logan and Allistar.  Me RP'ing a Human Male Noble to the tune of 'chaotic good' looked on Logan as rather evil and Allistar and the good guy...so I had to kill Logan.  After defeating him in a duel, he seemed rather humbled, and sacrificing him for the greater good seemed perfect, but of course it couldnt be done.  Then later, since i thought my PC's survival was necessary for several reasons, i had to sacrifice the semi-suicidal Alistar after i went through all the complications of making him king...   My point is, i later found out that if you treat/talk-to Alistar a certain way, at the choosing point you can turn Logan into a Warden while keeping Alistar.  How exactly is this done?

3- An opinionated question:  I didnt really like the Orzammar plot...Harrowmant being the traditional, well meaning dwarf caught my 'chaotic good' reasoning so i supported him instead of the obviously evil, brother-killing Bhelen...only to find out during the end-plot that choosing Harrowmont brings a certain disorder to Orzammar that i doubt could ever be considered 'good'.  I don't know Bhelens end-plot...and you can certainly reference it if you like in your answer, if neccessary, but I still dont perticularly like the idea of supporting him.  But anyways, once i come across this point in the story, i don't really know what to do...your thoughts?

Modifié par Dsurian, 24 mars 2010 - 11:13 .

[Sarah1281]

As far as Orzammar is concerned, you can see signs of what kind of ruler each will be. Harrowmont's claim to fame is compromise which translates into granting concessions which is never a good idea for a ruler. Even the first time you see them (barring the DN origin) Bhelen's supporter's kill a guard for not being respectful enough and then Harrowmont's supporters all get scared and run away. Bhelen's quest before you see him is to turn some of Harrowmont's supporters who only support him because they were bribed and Harrowmont's quest to see him involves convincing Harrowmont's own supporters not to run away from the Provings. Bhelen's supporters, on the other hand, refuse to abandon him even after he's dead and can no longer take the throne - which you'll discover in the Assembly, the royal palace, the proving ground, in the streets...



Dwarves value tradition very highly and some of that tradition is good. On the other hand, staunch traditionalists believe that the casteless are abominations and killing them at birth would be a mercy. If one of them met Zerlinda and decided to help her, they wouln't tell her to go to the surface/send her to Brother Burkel/convince her family to accept her son. Instead, they would convince her to abandon her son in the deep roads and feel good about themselves for helping a poor, misguided miner girl. Bhelen, as the crier will tell you, has had a son with a casteless woman so clearly he's okay with their existance.



Work with Harrowmont and it's very clear that he needs your support to win. Talk to Bhelen and it's more like this is taking too long for his liking and he'd like you to hurry about him getting the throne. Additionally, it's only in the DN origin where we know for sure whether or not he killed Trian. If you play as anyone else than for all you know all he did was egg his exiled sibling on and then tattle on them.

[Dsurian]

bump...srsly guys, help a friendly noble out...

[Sarah1281]

Okay, for 1 then it doesn't matter either way. You can import your character from any point in the game but if it's not at the end then they have a set of default decisions for ones you don't get to in the game yet or you can start a new character.



For 2, you can't keep Alistair in your party no matter what you do. If you harden him you can marry him to Anora and he appearsin the game after the Landsmeet to bite your head off if you talk to him and then again at the coronation where he's either still pissed because Loghain's still alive or resigned and strained if you fed Loghain to the Archdemon. If you don't harden him and/or marry him to Anora then he'll just leave and become a wandering drunk...if you can convince Anora not to kill him right then.

[Raiil]

1//There is only one good reason, I would think, to play through Awakenings before you start a fresh DA game, and that's solely if you haven't unlocked all specialisations in Origins first and don't want to be bothered with doing them.



2// You can't keep Alistair in your party if you save Loghain. There is no way around it. Alistair can live afterwards, as king or a drunkard, but they cannot both be in your party. There is no way around it.



3// Orzammar is the most politically grey area portion ot the game. I'm afraid there is no real happy ending there. I support Bhelen because he will bring more freedom to the downtrodden, but unless you're playing as a Dwarven Noble who may be his heir, Bhelen is probably better as king, no matter how much of a right bastard he is getting there.

[TheComfyCat]

@3.... I don't find Harrowmont's traditionalism to fall in the "good" category... he supports the caste system, which is horrible and necessarily causes cruelty. Bhelen is not exactly the most morally upright citizen in all areas, but at least he's interested in moving Orzammar forward, especially in terms of the casteless. If you're having trouble picking Bhelen as a "good" character, just focus on that issue.



And considering that murdering your brother was a precedent set by Enderin before Bhelen.... killing your way to the top seems to be the way dwarf politics tend to go. I mean, you can murder at least a couple people just as you're walking around Orzammar in the noble origin. ("Should I have him killed, my lady?" "Yes, Gorim, but make it look like an accident." lolz)

[Sarah1281]

("Should I have him killed, my lady?" "Yes, Gorim, but make it look like an accident." lolz)

Not to mention having the merchan killed for daring to give you an awesome dagger.

[Dsurian]

Sarah1281 wrote...
If you harden him you can marry him to Anora and he appearsin the game after[wards]...

thanks for the clarification then...guess it doesnt really matter as they are both sword/sheild warriors, anyways.  But to the jolly Q: How exactly do i 'harden' him?  I mean, i get that i talk to him a bit sternlier that i did my last game...but are there any perticular instances i should look out for, or is there a point a fair amount of time before the Landsmeet where I can figure out whether or not hes the 'right kind of hardened'?

[Sarah1281]

To harden Alistair get his quest with his sister (you need pretty high approval for this) and go to Denerim to find her. Instead of the warm reception he's expecting, she's bitter, blames their mom's death on him, and wants money. Apparently fifteen sovereigns isn't as much as she feels she deserves despite being nothing but rude. Afterwards, Alistair is understandably depressed but you can't make him feel better or he'll stay unhardened. Tell him everyone is just out for themselves and then the next time you talk to him he's somehow translated that to 'I need to stand up for myself.' Unless you tell him that's not what you meant, he's hardened.