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[Marilynn-22]

Tali as LI for fem-shep?



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Do Not Want.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Cascadus wrote...

...wow. Healthcare debates? What does healthcare have in common with video-games? Oh, that's right: NOTHING. Now y'all shut the eff up and get back to games.

funny thing is that it was orignally used as an analogy and one of my questions about it spawned this mess. Sorry about that.

Anyways.... To be honest, Techinally Tali has yet to be an "established character" just because options avaiable to the femshep, lazyness or not by the developers. In the end, the option is still hanging there, whether or not they do it or not remains to be seen. 

To be honest, I don't think it would matter much and nor would be it too much effort to include it considering they have laid most of the foundation for it anyway. Most of scenes are usually re-used anyway.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 26 mars 2010 - 04:54 .

[Daurf815]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

...wow. Healthcare debates? What does healthcare have in common with video-games? Oh, that's right: NOTHING. Now y'all shut the eff up and get back to games.

funny thing is that it was orignally used as an analogy and one of my questions about it spawned this mess. Sorry about that.

Anyways.... To be honest, Techinally Tali has yet to be an "established character" just because options avaiable to the femshep, lazyness or not by the developers. In the end, the option is still hanging there, whether or not they do it o rnot remains to be seen of course.  To be honest, I don't think it would matter much and nor would be it too much effort to include it considering they have lain most of the foundation for it anyway. Most of scenes are usually re-used anyway.

Well Shep isn't gay so yay problem solved!






/thread

[Lemonwizard]

The big problem is then they have to design two romances for Tali in ME3, one that continues on the ME2 romance and another that basically rehashes it and then tries to hastily bring it to the same conclusion as the one that continues the ME2 romance.





I don't realistically see them putting in the extra effort.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Daurf815 wrote...
Well Shep isn't gay so yay problem solved!

/thread

probably right anyway about the /thread, it's been talked to death.  

Lemonwizard wrote...

The big problem is then they have to
design two romances for Tali in ME3, one that continues on the ME2
romance and another that basically rehashes it and then tries to hastily
bring it to the same conclusion as the one that continues the ME2
romance.


I don't realistically see them putting in the extra
effort.

not much in the way would be changed except for lines. Continuning an relationship from ME 2 is going to have it same cookie-cutter type deal for all rommances i suspect. then really it's the question of what happens if you have not choosen one then or new to the game series?

though to be honest, i'm partial with Daurf at the moment, it's been talked about and until further infomation is released, it's all speculation on both sides of the arguement until solid proof in ME3 comes along.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 26 mars 2010 - 04:58 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

...wow. Healthcare debates? What does healthcare have in common with video-games? Oh, that's right: NOTHING. Now y'all shut the eff up and get back to games.

funny thing is that it was orignally used as an analogy and one of my questions about it spawned this mess. Sorry about that.

Anyways.... To be honest, Techinally Tali has yet to be an "established character" just because options avaiable to the femshep, lazyness or not by the developers. In the end, the option is still hanging there, whether or not they do it or not remains to be seen. 

To be honest, I don't think it would matter much and nor would be it too much effort to include it considering they have laid most of the foundation for it anyway. Most of scenes are usually re-used anyway.

The dialogue between Tali and FemShep *is* different than when Tali talks to ManShep.  With FemShep, it's still an embarassed rambling, but she just kind of rolls with it and turn around.  She's not worried about rejection or anything like she is when talking to ManShep.  I've never gotten the impression that Tali was interested in FemShep.  She seems more like a Big Sister type, and a replacement to the close family that she lacks. 

If there are hidden dialogue lines in the code that prove me otherwise like there was for Kaiden/Ashley in ME1, I'll take it back.  However, from what is in-game, it's clear that Tali is *not* interested in FemShep romantically.

[SirEmilCrane]

Honestly, just because you might have same sex romances in ME3 doesn't mean every character suddenly becomes bi. Throughout the enitre series tali was straight and she shouldn't suddenly and radically change, end of story.



Tali as LI for femshep?

Sten puts it best

No.

[Mnemnosyne]

Yes, I would like that. I found it disappointing and it made me rather angry after hearing all that recorded dialogue that it wasn't included for some reason. After going through all the work to write and record all that dialogue, it just wasn't included in the game for some reason? Frustrating.



I don't really believe that it was due to some anti-homosexual romance thing. BioWare has made great pushes forward in that area from Jade Empire to Mass Effect and finally Dragon Age, so they clearly don't have a problem including such things in their games.



But it was cut when a lot of it was already finished, so I would definitely like to see it come up in ME3, or in a Cerberus Network DLC update like some of the other unfinished stuff they didn't quite make in time for release.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I've heard all claims about all sorts of things that were supposedly in ME1/ME2 at one point and removed. Honestly I don't believe most of the claims at this point.

[Mnemnosyne]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

If there are hidden dialogue lines in the code that prove me otherwise like there was for Kaiden/Ashley in ME1, I'll take it back.  However, from what is in-game, it's clear that Tali is *not* interested in FemShep romantically.

They didn't seem to finish any of Tali's actual romance lines (or at least they never made it in game) but there IS a conversation between female Shepard and Mordin about the medical issues of human-quarian relations, which clearly indicates it was written and planned, but axed at some point.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I've read somewhere that the voice actors for both Shepards record all of the lines, even the gender specific ones, regardless of the fact some clearly won't be used.

[CmdrFenix83]

ReconTeam wrote...

I've read somewhere that the voice actors for both Shepards record all of the lines, even the gender specific ones, regardless of the fact some clearly won't be used.

Probably accurate, since they have them in there to record at the time, might as well record absolutely everything that may get used at some point so they don't have to be brought back in later.

[Mnemnosyne]

That doesn't seem to be the case. Other gender-specific lines are missing, there's no voiceover for them at all from Jennifer Hale. Some of the romance conversations that did make it in game for a male Shepard with Tali romance aren't present for female Shepard. And then there are other conversations that do seem to be recorded that aren't used in-game at all, which are different from the male lines.

[Kanear]

whats the deal with the gender discussion anyway?

they are not even the same race? So if she falls in love with Shep its because of personality and not gender. So who cares.. its rather human/bird than female/female. Let them have it than.

and between a lizard and a bird my femshep would always pick the bird

[jtav]

I wouldn't have a problem with any of these characters being bisexual. It's not like they have a sign around their neck saying they're only attracted to the opposite gender.

[Frekken]

Kanear wrote...

whats the deal with the gender discussion anyway?
they are not even the same race? So if she falls in love with Shep its because of personality and not gender. So who cares.. its rather human/bird than female/female. Let them have it than.
and between a lizard and a bird my femshep would always pick the bird

This.

It seems silly to obsess over gender when talking about interspecies relationships. Does human gender even have any meaning to an individual of another species?

[LiquidGrape]

If Bioware just KNEW how much people would cash out for these romances.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 26 mars 2010 - 03:25 .

[DiatribeEQ]

Whether you want Tali as a LI or not, the sheer fact that Bioware had the opportunity to offer it up, but didn't, speaks volumes as to what path they were & weren't willing to take with the character. So, beg all you want, continuity's sake, they'll keep her as straight as an arrow.



Honestly, I wouldn't mind at all having characters who only swung one way or the other. No possibility for the opposite gender at all. But that'd naturally tick some people off, but it would be the easy "out" for Bioware, they could offer up some visually appealing characters with (hopefully) interesting enough personalities to offer those were were gay or bi and say "Okay, we've given you the ability to hit up characters who are either purely gay or will go either way. Don't ask about the other characters who turn you down. Not gonna happen."

[Morgalne]

DiatribeEQ wrote...

Whether you want Tali as a LI or not, the sheer fact that Bioware had the opportunity to offer it up, but didn't, speaks volumes as to what path they were & weren't willing to take with the character. So, beg all you want, continuity's sake, they'll keep her as straight as an arrow.

I have to disagree.  Just because Bioware had the opportunity to put things into the game and eventually didn't doesn't hold that much weight to which direction they originally wanted to take a character.  Many things that were originally designed to be in games are later cut because of expenses, no room, politics, and for many other reasons.

This is not begging, it's merely showing Bioware what some of its customers think.  For all intents and purposes this forum is for the consumers and perhaps future buyers of Bioware's product(s).  A major reason they would put money and resources into creating a forum in the first place is to hear feedback on products they have out now and how they might better them in the future.  It is also a place for fans to share their thoughts and ideas about their beloved game and to learn about new installments or add-ons we can expect.  Should they listen to every suggestion?  Absolutely not.  Should they have open minds to new ideas?  We can only hope so. :happy:

Besides, if I was going to beg anything it would have to be something concerning Liara.

[JSLfromBx]

I really hope Bioware get back on their feet for ME3 and fix this bloody mess.



Tali would be willing to become involved with someone of a completly different specie, but only if they're male? what a joke, talk about a retarded behavior.



What happened to the smart girl from ME1?, her behavior is unconsistant at the very least Anyone open minded enough enough to see past the whole different speicie thing, wouldn't care about gender.

[Morgalne]

Shandepared wrote...
Maybe it's the fact that like a human man they've got deeper voices, no breasts, and no child-bearing hips.

Umm.. I've seen some guys who have breasts.. errr moobs:pinched:  Just saying..

[UsagiVindaloo]

I can sort of see the arguments on both sides here. On the one hand, there are certainly characters who could arguably be written as/interpreted as bisexual without any fundamental changes to their character or even their dialog. Garrus would probably be the best example, given his comments about not liking humans except for Shepard (ie it's established that he has the, "if it's you, then it's different" thing). Tali would be another, given her incredibly affectionate treatment of femShep and... well, nothing specific, but I could easily see Tali having a slight crush on femShep without finding out out of character for her.



On the other hand, I can somewhat understand a few of the protesters pointing out that, if these characters were bisexual, there should have been an option from the beginning. I disagree very much with the idea of, "character X hasn't shown interest in same gender / has shown interest in opposite gender, therefore he/she MUST be straight," but in this case it seems odd that the characters in question haven't taken the opportunity to make a move on Shepard. So in the case of Garrus, for example, I find it utterly believable that he could be interested in manShep, but if it was suddenly added in DLC, it would raise the meta question of why he spent all that time dicking around with calibrations instead of making a move on me. ;-)



Of course, that could just be handled by us accepting it as a "retcon" of sorts. After all, it wouldn't be a massive change to their characters, so you could always just write it off in your brain as, "oh, they've always been like that." Or if there really needs to be some sort of catalyst... well, I gather Kasumi has a bar with some alcohol, right? ;-)