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[cos1ne]

Guys I think it's obvious what happened. In the future, we've reached a point where genetic testing is done on children in the womb (see that quest in ME1 on the citadel with the worried mother). Also, they've apparently discovered the "gay gene" in this future timeline too. Thus in Mass Effect children are no longer born gay, thus homosexuality does not exist.

[enormousmoonboots]

DiatribeEQ wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...

I figure the primary reason why you'll never see either a Tali relationship with a FemShep (or any Quarian in a same-sex relationship for that matter) is their own canon: Quarians are too few in numbers to afford to do anything other than heterosexual activities and even that act can be dangerous for the species.

As of Ascension, quarians actually can no longer support their own population. Gay relationships would probably be a boon for them right now since it means fewer kids. And I'd bet that most children come about as a product of artificial insemination anyway, to minimize dangers. As long as you're female (and everything works), you can have kids, regardless of your sexual orientation.

Doesn't change the fact that it simply won't happen in game.  Try as people might, you will almost certainly never see any FemShep action with Tali.  You might get the option with other females in ME3, but not with Tali.  Besides, has her character ever even insinuated that her wagon wheel might roll both ways?  No?  Didn't think so.

That bit where she flirts aggressively with Femshep sure made me think she might be interested. Wanting to link suits? "I got better...I got you." "Tali, are you blushing?" That's all the same flirt dialog Manshep gets, all the stuff that starts a relationship.

How can you possibly be aware of all the potiential parts of her character? Did you ask her if she was interested in women? No? Didn't think so.

People are also forgetting two crucial things in this discussion: Tali is an alien. You have no idea what her sexual mores are. Saying that 'She doesn't act like she's gay/doesn't seem gay' is just stupid; it's not a character trait. Second, there's a huge difference between being totally bisexual and being attracted to one person of the same gender. Tali and Garrus have one important thing in common: they're both attracted to Shepard's force of personality (Garrus even admits that he doesn't have a thing for humans, it's only Shepard he wants, because Shepard is such a unique person), remember Tali's 'you were like a force of nature' bit? She never exults his broad shoulders or massive biceps, she's not really attracted to his body. She's attracted to him for who he is and what he means to her. That is why a Tali/Femshep romance is plausible.

[jlb524]

JohnnyDollar wrote...


Who's the daddy?

Haa!  I'd guess....Veetor??

Modifié par jlb524, 25 mars 2010 - 07:12 .

[DiatribeEQ]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...

I figure the primary reason why you'll never see either a Tali relationship with a FemShep (or any Quarian in a same-sex relationship for that matter) is their own canon: Quarians are too few in numbers to afford to do anything other than heterosexual activities and even that act can be dangerous for the species.

As of Ascension, quarians actually can no longer support their own population. Gay relationships would probably be a boon for them right now since it means fewer kids. And I'd bet that most children come about as a product of artificial insemination anyway, to minimize dangers. As long as you're female (and everything works), you can have kids, regardless of your sexual orientation.

Doesn't change the fact that it simply won't happen in game.  Try as people might, you will almost certainly never see any FemShep action with Tali.  You might get the option with other females in ME3, but not with Tali.  Besides, has her character ever even insinuated that her wagon wheel might roll both ways?  No?  Didn't think so.

That bit where she flirts aggressively with Femshep sure made me think she might be interested. Wanting to link suits? "I got better...I got you." "Tali, are you blushing?" That's all the same flirt dialog Manshep gets, all the stuff that starts a relationship.

How can you possibly be aware of all the potiential parts of her character? Did you ask her if she was interested in women? No? Didn't think so.

People are also forgetting two crucial things in this discussion: Tali is an alien. You have no idea what her sexual mores are. Saying that 'She doesn't act like she's gay/doesn't seem gay' is just stupid; it's not a character trait. Second, there's a huge difference between being totally bisexual and being attracted to one person of the same gender. Tali and Garrus have one important thing in common: they're both attracted to Shepard's force of personality (Garrus even admits that he doesn't have a thing for humans, it's only Shepard he wants, because Shepard is such a unique person), remember Tali's 'you were like a force of nature' bit? She never exults his broad shoulders or massive biceps, she's not really attracted to his body. She's attracted to him for who he is and what he means to her. That is why a Tali/Femshep romance is plausible.

To me, it seems like those folks who are trying so hard for a FemShep-Tali romance are akin to the same folks who really, really want Tali to look like some kinda World of Warcraft Night Elf goddess under the helmet.  But, much like them, try as you might, you're probably going to be disappointed when ME3 rolls around and, yet again, you have no option to romance her.

[Mcjon01]

Locke72 wrote...

As far as I can see, there are only three reasons people push for universal BI-curious LI's.

1: You are yourself gay or bisexual, and wish to convey as much with your character. If so, more power to you. Justified argument.!

I don't really see that as a justified argument, though.  Just because they want to convey it, doesn't mean every character should have to accept it.  It's not even the tiniest bit realistic.  Of course, I prefer my characters to be characters, and not just quantum catboxes whose personalities and preferences only materialize when Shepard demands it.  It's bad enough that Garrus constantly lets Shepard tell him what's right and wrong, he doesn't need to be asking him where to stick his dick, too.

Besides, Mass Effect has never been about blank-slate role playing.  It's not purely your character, it's simply your interpretation of Commander Shepard.  Judging from the fact that neither of the Shepards really make any real effort toward hitting on or seducing members of the same sex, FemShep and Asari excluded, there's a good chance that the character Shepard simply isn't gay, bi, or anything in between.  In which case, there's not much anyone can do.  Hope that BioWare caters to your preferences in Unnanounced Next Gen Title.

[enormousmoonboots]

DiatribeEQ wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...

I figure the primary reason why you'll never see either a Tali relationship with a FemShep (or any Quarian in a same-sex relationship for that matter) is their own canon: Quarians are too few in numbers to afford to do anything other than heterosexual activities and even that act can be dangerous for the species.

As of Ascension, quarians actually can no longer support their own population. Gay relationships would probably be a boon for them right now since it means fewer kids. And I'd bet that most children come about as a product of artificial insemination anyway, to minimize dangers. As long as you're female (and everything works), you can have kids, regardless of your sexual orientation.

Doesn't change the fact that it simply won't happen in game.  Try as people might, you will almost certainly never see any FemShep action with Tali.  You might get the option with other females in ME3, but not with Tali.  Besides, has her character ever even insinuated that her wagon wheel might roll both ways?  No?  Didn't think so.

That bit where she flirts aggressively with Femshep sure made me think she might be interested. Wanting to link suits? "I got better...I got you." "Tali, are you blushing?" That's all the same flirt dialog Manshep gets, all the stuff that starts a relationship.

How can you possibly be aware of all the potiential parts of her character? Did you ask her if she was interested in women? No? Didn't think so.

People are also forgetting two crucial things in this discussion: Tali is an alien. You have no idea what her sexual mores are. Saying that 'She doesn't act like she's gay/doesn't seem gay' is just stupid; it's not a character trait. Second, there's a huge difference between being totally bisexual and being attracted to one person of the same gender. Tali and Garrus have one important thing in common: they're both attracted to Shepard's force of personality (Garrus even admits that he doesn't have a thing for humans, it's only Shepard he wants, because Shepard is such a unique person), remember Tali's 'you were like a force of nature' bit? She never exults his broad shoulders or massive biceps, she's not really attracted to his body. She's attracted to him for who he is and what he means to her. That is why a Tali/Femshep romance is plausible.

To me, it seems like those folks who are trying so hard for a FemShep-Tali romance are akin to the same folks who really, really want Tali to look like some kinda World of Warcraft Night Elf goddess under the helmet.  But, much like them, try as you might, you're probably going to be disappointed when ME3 rolls around and, yet again, you have no option to romance her.

What on earth does that have to do with what I wrote?

[Collider]

Moonboots, I never got the impression that Tali was flirting with female Shepard. There's NO point to making Tali bisexual if she cannot be romanced by the same gender. Gay relationships would actually do nothing to the population.



ANY character could be plausibly bisexual. Tali is not more or less likely, to say so is using stereotypes. But if you want my personal interpretation, I felt that the "dashing male commander" that Tali states as her reason for liking Shepard is the archetypal knight in shining armor - as in male.

[DiatribeEQ]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...

I figure the primary reason why you'll never see either a Tali relationship with a FemShep (or any Quarian in a same-sex relationship for that matter) is their own canon: Quarians are too few in numbers to afford to do anything other than heterosexual activities and even that act can be dangerous for the species.

As of Ascension, quarians actually can no longer support their own population. Gay relationships would probably be a boon for them right now since it means fewer kids. And I'd bet that most children come about as a product of artificial insemination anyway, to minimize dangers. As long as you're female (and everything works), you can have kids, regardless of your sexual orientation.

Doesn't change the fact that it simply won't happen in game.  Try as people might, you will almost certainly never see any FemShep action with Tali.  You might get the option with other females in ME3, but not with Tali.  Besides, has her character ever even insinuated that her wagon wheel might roll both ways?  No?  Didn't think so.

That bit where she flirts aggressively with Femshep sure made me think she might be interested. Wanting to link suits? "I got better...I got you." "Tali, are you blushing?" That's all the same flirt dialog Manshep gets, all the stuff that starts a relationship.

How can you possibly be aware of all the potiential parts of her character? Did you ask her if she was interested in women? No? Didn't think so.

People are also forgetting two crucial things in this discussion: Tali is an alien. You have no idea what her sexual mores are. Saying that 'She doesn't act like she's gay/doesn't seem gay' is just stupid; it's not a character trait. Second, there's a huge difference between being totally bisexual and being attracted to one person of the same gender. Tali and Garrus have one important thing in common: they're both attracted to Shepard's force of personality (Garrus even admits that he doesn't have a thing for humans, it's only Shepard he wants, because Shepard is such a unique person), remember Tali's 'you were like a force of nature' bit? She never exults his broad shoulders or massive biceps, she's not really attracted to his body. She's attracted to him for who he is and what he means to her. That is why a Tali/Femshep romance is plausible.

To me, it seems like those folks who are trying so hard for a FemShep-Tali romance are akin to the same folks who really, really want Tali to look like some kinda World of Warcraft Night Elf goddess under the helmet.  But, much like them, try as you might, you're probably going to be disappointed when ME3 rolls around and, yet again, you have no option to romance her.

What on earth does that have to do with what I wrote?

Just that you're coming across as someone who's sitting there, really wishing something would happen, & that desire is clouding the realization that it most likely will never happen.  But regardless of whether or not Tali will ever be a love interest option for a FemShep, it doesn't matter, as you could have everyone swing both ways, be able to sleep with any crew member and you'd still have someone say "Hey.........that medical diagnostic machine.....can I have sex with it?  I can't?  Why not?"  Sometimes, there's just limits to what's going to happen, no matter what the player wants.  Could Bioware come out with ME3 and any squadmate be romanceable?  Sure, anything is possible.  Is it likely? That's where you and I seem to differ.

[Locke72]

Mcjon01 wrote...

Locke72 wrote...

As far as I can see, there are only three reasons people push for universal BI-curious LI's.

1: You are yourself gay or bisexual, and wish to convey as much with your character. If so, more power to you. Justified argument.!

I don't really see that as a justified argument, though.  Just because they want to convey it, doesn't mean every character should have to accept it.  It's not even the tiniest bit realistic.  Of course, I prefer my characters to be characters, and not just quantum catboxes whose personalities and preferences only materialize when Shepard demands it.  It's bad enough that Garrus constantly lets Shepard tell him what's right and wrong, he doesn't need to be asking him where to stick his dick, too.

Besides, Mass Effect has never been about blank-slate role playing.  It's not purely your character, it's simply your interpretation of Commander Shepard.  Judging from the fact that neither of the Shepards really make any real effort toward hitting on or seducing members of the same sex, FemShep and Asari excluded, there's a good chance that the character Shepard simply isn't gay, bi, or anything in between.  In which case, there's not much anyone can do.  Hope that BioWare caters to your preferences in Unnanounced Next Gen Title.

 Oh, I don't believe #1 is a valid reason to INCLUDE it in the game myself, I just think its the only justified reason to WANT it included. Honestly? I think that having seperate LI's helps define the experiences of playing the different Shepard genders.

Modifié par Locke72, 25 mars 2010 - 07:37 .

[enormousmoonboots]

DiatribeEQ wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...
Doesn't change the fact that it simply won't happen in game.  Try as people might, you will almost certainly never see any FemShep action with Tali.  You might get the option with other females in ME3, but not with Tali.  Besides, has her character ever even insinuated that her wagon wheel might roll both ways?  No?  Didn't think so.

That bit where she flirts aggressively with Femshep sure made me think she might be interested. Wanting to link suits? "I got better...I got you." "Tali, are you blushing?" That's all the same flirt dialog Manshep gets, all the stuff that starts a relationship.

How can you possibly be aware of all the potiential parts of her character? Did you ask her if she was interested in women? No? Didn't think so.

People are also forgetting two crucial things in this discussion: Tali is an alien. You have no idea what her sexual mores are. Saying that 'She doesn't act like she's gay/doesn't seem gay' is just stupid; it's not a character trait. Second, there's a huge difference between being totally bisexual and being attracted to one person of the same gender. Tali and Garrus have one important thing in common: they're both attracted to Shepard's force of personality (Garrus even admits that he doesn't have a thing for humans, it's only Shepard he wants, because Shepard is such a unique person), remember Tali's 'you were like a force of nature' bit? She never exults his broad shoulders or massive biceps, she's not really attracted to his body. She's attracted to him for who he is and what he means to her. That is why a Tali/Femshep romance is plausible.

To me, it seems like those folks who are trying so hard for a FemShep-Tali romance are akin to the same folks who really, really want Tali to look like some kinda World of Warcraft Night Elf goddess under the helmet.  But, much like them, try as you might, you're probably going to be disappointed when ME3 rolls around and, yet again, you have no option to romance her.

What on earth does that have to do with what I wrote?

Just that you're coming across as someone who's sitting there, really wishing something would happen, & that desire is clouding the realization that it most likely will never happen.  But regardless of whether or not Tali will ever be a love interest option for a FemShep, it doesn't matter, as you could have everyone swing both ways, be able to sleep with any crew member and you'd still have someone say "Hey.........that medical diagnostic machine.....can I have sex with it?  I can't?  Why not?"  Sometimes, there's just limits to what's going to happen, no matter what the player wants.  Could Bioware come out with ME3 and any squadmate be romanceable?  Sure, anything is possible.  Is it likely? That's where you and I seem to differ.

I'm not saying that it's likely, I'm saying that it's plausible. People keep saying 'she can't be gay because xyz', that's what I'm refuting. Whether Bioware will do it or not is irrelevent (but unlikely, seeing as how they pussed out on everything else gay in Mass Effect :|)

And for the record, I think Night Elf Tali and hybrid babies are goddamn idiotic.

[Collider]

enormousmoonboots wrote...
I'm not saying that it's likely, I'm saying that it's plausible.

That's hardly worth noting. Garrus could plausibly like men. There's no concrete evidence that he doesn't. Any character can plausibly be bisexual. You may as well be saying that red is a color.
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Modifié par Collider, 25 mars 2010 - 07:38 .

[Darkstar87uk]

Shepard and Tali can always adopt a baby..

[Fair34]

Tali for my femshep? Thank but no thanks. I've always seen Tali as a kid sister type, and as sweet as she may be, it just wouldn't feel right. Plus my Shepard's affections are only for a certain asari archeologist ****** Shadow Broker hunter.

[DiatribeEQ]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

I'm not saying that it's likely, I'm saying that it's plausible. People keep saying 'she can't be gay because xyz', that's what I'm refuting. Whether Bioware will do it or not is irrelevent (but unlikely, seeing as how they pussed out on everything else gay in Mass Effect :|)

And for the record, I think Night Elf Tali and hybrid babies are goddamn idiotic.

I think that many of the people who are pushing for a relationship with Tali would be the same people pushing for it in another area, if there was some perceived "Forbidden Fruit" elsewhere.  It's not as if Bioware is against same sex coupling, heck, simply looking at Dragon Age is several cases of it happening.  In the Mass Effect universe, the entire Asari species is Pro-"Man....woman...don't matter....it's coming out as a chick anyways....".  There's just some areas in which I think Bioware says "nah, this isn't going to happen here, or here, but will happen here and here...."  Heck, even IRL, there's people that we all know that you could put in line (concerning whether or not they'd be straight, gay, or swing both ways...):  "Straight, Straight, Gay, Straight, Straight, Straight, Bi, Straight, Gay, and Holy Hell, you're a freak...."  For those that fit into the straight description, it's just that they were the kind of people you knew would never go down that path.  Same with people some of us know that are gay and we know that there's never a chance that they'd be anything other than gay.  There's just lines that some folks just won't cross.

Modifié par DiatribeEQ, 25 mars 2010 - 07:51 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Daralii wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Tali's not gay, if you want to romance her play a manShep.
(I'm all for gay romances but they shouldn't just change everyones sexuality to please some fans)

Except for the fact that sexuality isn't necessarily a personality aspect. Same-sex romances could easily be added to existing characters without altering them at all, it's just a matter of getting Hale or Meer to record extra dialogue(which is likely already recorded; based on sound files, they were given the same script).

You're either attracted to a gender sexually or you're not.  It's that simple.  It's not something people change on a whim.  Some people may be willing to 'try', but those that like it were those that always did, but just didn't know it or know if it was okay(look at Nef for example on Omega). 

[xenalovesgabby]

...i'm a lesbian and i found absurd the concept of tali/FemShep....

If you want to romance tale do it as male shepard...



I don't understand why in video games all the carachters have to be bisexual..

like in real life we are a minority...

[jtav]

Tali's ridiculously easy to write as bisexual. She's young, and, has already been stated a lot of her non-romance specific dialogue comes of as crush-like. Will Bioware do it? I doubt it. Could they? Easily. Most of the characters could easily be written as bisexual. Jack is already implied to be so, Garrus is already going outside his stated preferences There's speculation Thane was a cut option for males. Miranda and Jacob would be the hardest to justify, but not difficult. Obviously, all 6 would strain credibility, but any two of them...sure, why not?

[InvaderErl]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Darkstar87uk wrote...

Shepard and Tali can always adopt a baby..

worst side mission DLC idea ever.

"I like this one, Tali."
"Which one?"
"The Krogan one."

[CmdrFenix83]

Zeratul20 wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

It does seem rat her abruptly cut out. I blame Australia and Europe for the lack of similar=gender romances in ME2. Repressed cloakas in power.

Waitwhat?

Try blaming the US, as you should. Remember what happened over there when the media discovered they'd snuck a lesbian sex scene in Mass Effect 1?

The only reason there was a problem at all was because it showed nudity, and they had part of the sex scene in the ME1 trailers that aired.  Faux News was like "WTF NUDITY!  THIS IS A THREAT TO THE AMERICAN FAMILY!" and then later found out it was possible for that scene to contain two female bodies, and flipped out worse.

[Collider]

jtav wrote...

Tali's ridiculously easy to write as bisexual. She's young, and, has already been stated a lot of her non-romance specific dialogue comes of as crush-like. Will Bioware do it? I doubt it. Could they? Easily. Most of the characters could easily be written as bisexual. Jack is already implied to be so, Garrus is already going outside his stated preferences There's speculation Thane was a cut option for males. Miranda and Jacob would be the hardest to justify, but not difficult. Obviously, all 6 would strain credibility, but any two of them...sure, why not?

Jtav, you can justify anyone. Miranda could also appreciate the perfect female body (Shepard), Jacob even asks if male Shepard has had any "upgrades" not to mention Shepard can compliment Jacob on his body. Truth be told, any charcter can be written as bisexual, none of them are "more" or "less" likely to be bisexual.

[InvaderErl]

Grunt always does it face-to-face.