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[Morgalne]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Edit:  I, personally, have no problem with it.  I just wish those that are of that preference would stop insisting that *everyone* is that way.  Like the individual earlier stating the population was like 10% gay, 80% up in the air, and 10% straight.  Never heard anything more absurd in my life that didn't come out of a religion.

80% up in the air?  That sound like horse**** to me.

Yup that sounds like bull**** to me too.

[Lord Coake]

Internet Kraken wrote...

I'd like to be able to talk to my squadmates without them wanting to have sex with Shepard. If more character suddenly become LI for both genders, that's not going to happen.

Oh for xenu's sake, this.

What can't FemShep and Garrus end up knocking back a few, laughing it up and end the night with some bawdy jokes and a bro fist?  Or GuyShep and Tali just talk and joke around for a while, ending with Tali calling Shep "The brother she never had" or something?  Hell, same could go with either gender for these and all the others.

Theres more to relationships than "distant friends" and "knocking hips."

[scmadsen]

On the subject of this topic. I support this. It should have been there. It seems it was there, based on unused files. But BioWare backed down. They shouldn't have. Just like Ashley and Shepard in the first game, it was there, but they backed down.

Tali and Shepard couldn't breed anyway, love is love, what's the big deal? Two aliens to each other being lovers is no more weird then two females or two males.

I personally wouldn't romance Tali, because , I care about Tali more then just for sex. It's not worth risking her life over. Tali shouldn't have been a romance in the first place. It's really lame of anyone to risk her life for sex.

It should of gone the way Samara does. It would be nice, we both want it, but in another life. Lets just be friends forever.

Modifié par scmadsen, 26 mars 2010 - 03:32 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Morgalne wrote...

I do accept that it is still the minority, I'm just trying to point out the progress that's been made already and what the view that far into the future might look like when it comes to this subject.  Of course it's acceptable for there to be heterosexual relationships, that's the main way humanity will continue to be here generations from now.

I am not suggesting that everyone should be that way, all that I'm saying is that it would be nice for people to have an open mind and realize that people who are gay/lesbian/bisexual/whatever, that it isn't the end of the world.  It's completely natural and it happens in nature all the time and for people to look down on other people of that preference is hurtfull.

Oh yeah, just want to say I've thought that way, waay before Miss Chamber's   I was 14 when I started thinking like that and now I'm almost 22

I apologize if that came off as hostile.  It really wasn't meant to be.  I personally don't care as long as people aren't telling me about their sexual exploits... that goes for every type of preference.  I don't care to hear it.

As far as the comparison to Miss Chambers, it was just because that's exactly what she said.  I didn't mean it as though you were copying her.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Yeah that is a bit absurd Cmdr. Though to be honest, isn't that law unconstitutional? Did not think that states could circumvent discrimination act.

[JaylaClark]

Morgalne wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Edit:  I, personally, have no problem with it.  I just wish those that are of that preference would stop insisting that *everyone* is that way.  Like the individual earlier stating the population was like 10% gay, 80% up in the air, and 10% straight.  Never heard anything more absurd in my life that didn't come out of a religion.

80% up in the air?  That sound like horse**** to me.

Yup that sounds like bull**** to me too.

Don't ask me how I know it is .  (EDIT -- really hope this doesn't count as 'mentioning my sexual exploits, and I mean that sincerely.  I was just being playful here.  I think.)

Seriously, though.  The percentages are anywhere between 1 in 40 and 1 in 10 being homosexual or bisexual, with the rest being heterosexual.  At least that's where the polls go.  There are some who say that women are more likely to be blessed with options, but I've heard that's up for debate, too.

Key point is, though, this is (of course) the human race we're talking about.  I have no clue what the statistics are for quarians.  (That sentence is the weirdest sentence I've ever typed with a metaphorical straight face in my life.)  And it could well be a different ... mechanic, altogether for different species.  (Whatever said mechanic is for the human species -- genetic, in-utero environment... pretty personally close to ruling out 'nurture' theories but again, I'm not a proper expert.) 

So I don't know if it's farfetched for Tali to be bi in the least.  Not that I'd say I prefer her as a bi option out of the ME2 characters.  (She's in fourth because she just seems a little young, still, for my tastes.  I'd still prefer to 'Paragonize' Miranda -- yes, that's what the kids are calling it -- followed by SuZe and Samara.)  But I don't personally see any pre-ME2 evidence against her being an option.

Modifié par JaylaClark, 26 mars 2010 - 03:40 .

[CmdrFenix83]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Yeah that is a bit absurd Cmdr. Though to be honest, isn't that law unconstitutional? Did not think that states could circumvent discrimination act.

Shrug.  I don't understand how anything like that could pass.  The current Goverenor, despite stating during his election that he wouldn't amend the bill that the two previous Governors accepted, went ahead and removed that part from it, making it legal again.

[Lemonwizard]

I would have seen no issue with a Tali romance in ME2. However, by not including it in ME2 they have made it unjustified in ME3.





I just think it's a story continuity thing.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

damn Liberals and their... wait what

Seriously, damn quote still works

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Yeah that is a bit absurd Cmdr. Though to be honest, isn't that law unconstitutional? Did not think that states could circumvent discrimination act.

Shrug.  I don't understand how anything like that could pass.  The current Goverenor, despite stating during his election that he wouldn't amend the bill that the two previous Governors accepted, went ahead and removed that part from it, making it legal again.

never working in Virgina. I can tell you that much. >.>

[CmdrFenix83]

JaylaClark wrote...

Don't ask me how I know it is .  (EDIT -- really hope this doesn't count as 'mentioning my sexual exploits, and I mean that sincerely.  I was just being playful here.  I think.)

Seriously, though.  The percentages are anywhere between 1 in 40 and 1 in 10 being homosexual or bisexual, with the rest being heterosexual.  At least that's where the polls go.  There are some who say that women are more likely to be blessed with options, but I've heard that's up for debate, too.

Key point is, though, this is (of course) the human race we're talking about.  I have no clue what the statistics are for quarians.  (That sentence is the weirdest sentence I've ever typed with a metaphorical straight face in my life.)  And it could well be a different ... mechanic, altogether for different species.  (Whatever said mechanic is for the human species -- genetic, in-utero environment... pretty personally close to ruling out 'nurture' theories but again, I'm not a proper expert.) 

So I don't know if it's farfetched for Tali to be bi in the least.  Not that I'd say I prefer her as a bi option out of the ME2 characters.  (She's in fourth because she just seems a little young, still, for my tastes.  I'd still prefer to 'Paragonize' Miranda -- yes, that's what the kids are calling it -- followed by SuZe and Samara.)  But I don't personally see any pre-ME2 evidence against her being an option.

I just mean I don't want detailed stories of sexploits.  My gf has a very close friend that's a gay guy, he *loves* going on and on describing every filthy detail about his sexploits.  To me, they are as annoying as they are disgusting.  Fortunately, I don't have to talk to him much. 

I think your statistics there are much closer to reality, and probably still hold true to the humans of the ME time, seeing as they're based off of how we are now. 

For the Quarians, I honestly don't think they would have a gay population.  They closest thing they get to sex outside of procreation is through their neural stimulators in their suits.  The only time they ever actually have sex is in the clean rooms to procreate.  In the entire time since the Flotilla was made by the fleeing Quarian population, I doubt that they had many people, if any, having *any* form of recreational sex.  At best, it would be considered something closer to mutual masturbation.

[Morgalne]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

I apologize if that came off as hostile.  It really wasn't meant to be.  I personally don't care as long as people aren't telling me about their sexual exploits... that goes for every type of preference.  I don't care to hear it.

Oh no no no, I was just responding, I didn't think you were being hostile at all, just stating your opinion.   Now I hope I didn't come off as hostile, wasn't meaning to be.

As far as the comparison to Miss Chambers, it was just because
that's exactly what she said.  I didn't mean it as though you were
copying her.

My boyfriend pointed to the screen and says, "Hey that's you!".  Of course he did that with ME1 as well when it came to Liara.  Cause I'm shy and I'm studying to be an archeaologist.

[KateKane]

Lemonwizard wrote...

I would have seen no issue with a Tali romance in ME2. However, by not including it in ME2 they have made it unjustified in ME3.


I just think it's a story continuity thing.

 Really all they would need to do is add a scene where Tali says she was nervous sbout starting a relationship with another woman. One (or rather all) of FemSheps responses could be about how rediculous it is that someone would be more comfortable with an inter-species relationship than a homosexual one.

[Lemonwizard]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Yeah that is a bit absurd Cmdr. Though to be honest, isn't that law unconstitutional? Did not think that states could circumvent discrimination act.

Shrug.  I don't understand how anything like that could pass.  The current Goverenor, despite stating during his election that he wouldn't amend the bill that the two previous Governors accepted, went ahead and removed that part from it, making it legal again.

never working in Virgina. I can tell you that much. >.>

A friend told me he heard on NPR (though I've heard this nowhere else, so I don't know if he was just making it up) that Virginia is considering amending their state constitution to say that they do not honor the supremacy clause of the US constitution so that they don't have to implement the healthcare reform.


It seems pretty far fetched to me, but if a state's willing to do something as crazy as write a law that says they don't have to honor the law that stops them from writing that law that makes the law invalid.....well, I'm glad those legislators aren't in my state.

[Lemonwizard]

KateKane wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

I would have seen no issue with a Tali romance in ME2. However, by not including it in ME2 they have made it unjustified in ME3.


I just think it's a story continuity thing.

 Really all they would need to do is add a scene where Tali says she was nervous sbout starting a relationship with another woman. One (or rather all) of FemSheps responses could be about how rediculous it is that someone would be more comfortable with an inter-species relationship than a homosexual one.

Which would be fine if they'd done it in ME2, but Tali already HAD that scene when she said she was nervous about starting a relationship with a different species. It just seems so silly to give the same character the same dilemma twice.

[Morgalne]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
I doubt that they had many people, if any, having *any* form of recreational sex.

I'm sorry, but that would really suck.  Sex is too much fun.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Can we put such a foolish Tali-related suggestion back in the creepy Tali-fanboy topic.
To whomever does move this into the creepy Tali-fanboy topic... we appreciate your sacrifice. The door will be welded shut behind you.
*salute*

Modifié par ReconTeam, 26 mars 2010 - 03:53 .

[KateKane]

Lemonwizard wrote...

KateKane wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

I would have seen no issue with a Tali romance in ME2. However, by not including it in ME2 they have made it unjustified in ME3.


I just think it's a story continuity thing.

 Really all they would need to do is add a scene where Tali says she was nervous sbout starting a relationship with another woman. One (or rather all) of FemSheps responses could be about how rediculous it is that someone would be more comfortable with an inter-species relationship than a homosexual one.

Which would be fine if they'd done it in ME2, but Tali already HAD that scene when she said she was nervous about starting a relationship with a different species. It just seems so silly to give the same character the same dilemma twice.

I suppose you're right, but that just makes me more irritated that this content was cut (or at least left unfinished) at all.

[CmdrFenix83]

Lemonwizard wrote...

A friend told me he heard on NPR (though I've heard this nowhere else, so I don't know if he was just making it up) that Virginia is considering amending their state constitution to say that they do not honor the supremacy clause of the US constitution so that they don't have to implement the healthcare reform.

It seems pretty far fetched to me, but if a state's willing to do something as crazy as write a law that says they don't have to honor the law that stops them from writing that law that makes the law invalid.....well, I'm glad those legislators aren't in my state.

There are something like 20 states working to stop the bill at a state-level, while others are trying to file lawsuits to the Supreme Court to call it unconstitutional.  I can understand it.  I personally don't have health insurance right now, and I think it's ridiculous that come 2014, if I still don't have any they can friggin' fine me for it.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Lemonwizard wrote...

Which would be fine if they'd done it in ME2, but Tali already HAD that scene when she said she was nervous about starting a relationship with a different species. It just seems so silly to give the same character the same dilemma twice.

. No need to go over the horror of "how" just means in ME3 the relationship is avaiable. The foundation is already been laid ingame by default becaue of the basic flirting you do with Tali. No harm no foul. To be honest, just means that in me3 you go the extra step.

actually what would be nice is if your relationship carried over into ME3 (be nice anyway) so that you don't have to re-romanace an squadie and if your single well, options are still open.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 26 mars 2010 - 03:57 .

[Lemonwizard]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...


There are something like 20 states working to stop the bill at a state-level, while others are trying to file lawsuits to the Supreme Court to call it unconstitutional.  I can understand it.  I personally don't have health insurance right now, and I think it's ridiculous that come 2014, if I still don't have any they can friggin' fine me for it.

Regardless of your opinions on the healthcare bill, which is a debate I really don't want to start in this topic, states don't get to override the federal government's laws just because they don't like them. That's not how our government works.

[JaylaClark]

Lemonwizard wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...


There are something like 20 states working to stop the bill at a state-level, while others are trying to file lawsuits to the Supreme Court to call it unconstitutional.  I can understand it.  I personally don't have health insurance right now, and I think it's ridiculous that come 2014, if I still don't have any they can friggin' fine me for it.

Regardless of your opinions on the healthcare bill, which is a debate I really don't want to start in this topic, states don't get to override the federal government's laws just because they don't like them. That's not how our government works.

Exactly.  If they have a constitutional point about it (which some have said the requirement for health care is a mighty stretch of the commerce clause -- myself included, actually, and I'm a proud liberal, but I digress), you do have an option, as a state, to challenge it.  It's called the Supreme Court, it's perfectly viable.
It's sadly moot, however, regarding discriminations of gays.  There isn't a national law or constitutional amendment protecting gays and lesbians from discrimination per se, though some are trying to get the Supreme Court to apply equal protection regardless.

[CmdrFenix83]

Lemonwizard wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

There are something like 20 states working to stop the bill at a state-level, while others are trying to file lawsuits to the Supreme Court to call it unconstitutional.  I can understand it.  I personally don't have health insurance right now, and I think it's ridiculous that come 2014, if I still don't have any they can friggin' fine me for it.

Regardless of your opinions on the healthcare bill, which is a debate I really don't want to start in this topic, states don't get to override the federal government's laws just because they don't like them. That's not how our government works.

I haven't read the whole bill(Hell, I don't even think the morons in DC have either), I just know that if you don't have health insurance come 2014, you get fined.  It's essentially fining poor people for being poor.  I don't know enough beyond that to debate anything other than that point.  Which, I cannot fathom anyone having a counterpoint to it anyway.  It's absurd.

Anyway!  This is why many states are filing lawsuits against the federal government over the bill.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Lies, I think we should talk about how the US government system actually works because some countries out there believe it is a pure democracy when in reality it is more of a Republic of democratic states. (Which in themselves split up into democratic districts that as a whole make a republic within a state).