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[Rixxencaxx]

Well..in the end...
when dao came out lovers/haters ratio was 10-1
since awakening came out lovers/haters ratio was 2-10
this ratio is similar in all gamers forums (not only bioware's)
I think that bioware lost a lot of customers.
Since bioware became another cheap developer we can look only to blizzard and to the really promising witcher 2
eastern european companies are developing really great original games nowadays...
a lot of western companies are into the cut cost just go china syndrome...
just my opinion...

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well at least you have track of your own emotions.

[Isavald]

Ignorance spreads like wildfire. 

[VampireCommando]

hey i liked awakenings and fell in love with DA:O, i know there are problems with it but i think that the majority of people expected way too much of awakenings, it is only an expansion after all.

[TheRealIncarnal]

{Citation Needed}

[earl of the north]

I loved DAO, I like Awakenings.....I was disappointed, but Bioware hasn't lost me as a customer I generally enjoy Bioware games and i'll be happy to see ME3 and DA2 arrive at some future date.

[Gaddmeister]

The lover/hater ratio on a forum doesn't represent the overall ratio. First of all, only a small group is active on a forum like this and it's only the most fanatic fans. And I guess they're also most likely to be disappointed when a game/expansion doesn't meet their extremely high expectations. I don't think Bioware has lost a lot of customers.

[Mr.DriftingDreamer]

I'm still a lover of this series, very much so. I just want them to put out a complete game instead of saying "Oh we can just patch it later." The patching thing has become a sort of short cut to game developers over the last few years. They think that just because they can patch a game it means they can put out an unfinished, untested game.

But just to clearify, still a lover, all I really want is some cooler stuff and things.

[Drake Sigar]

So because an expansion isn't very good (in your opinion), Bioware have become another cheap developer? Cover your eyes people, I don't want you to see this.

How dare you. I wouldn't trust you to give me the correct change at your McDonalds job, let alone provide an informed opinion. Bioware take a huge chance and create a game which by all rights in today's gaming climate, shouldn't exist. They should be pandering solely to the casual masses, but instead they take a leap, show some balls, and release Dragon Age. It was a huge throwback to the old school RPG crowd, a crowd which is only a small minority. One of the first general comments in the magazines was it's "too hard." Not to mention an RPG is the most expensive type of game one can make. So here is Bioware, with their homage to the fans that put them where they are today, and you sully their name with these ridiculous claims because you didn't like one expansion?

Yes I'm sure you'll get plenty of immersion, interesting characters and story from World of Warcraft and Diablo 3.

Modifié par Drake Sigar, 25 mars 2010 - 12:48 .

[VampireCommando]

Drake Sigar wrote...

So because an expansion isn't very good (in your opinion), Bioware have become another cheap developer? Cover your eyes people, I don't want you to see this.

How dare you. I wouldn't trust you to give me the correct change at your McDonalds job, let alone provide an informed opinion. Bioware take a huge chance and create a game which by all rights in today's gaming climate, shouldn't exist. They should be pandering solely to the casual masses, but instead they take a leap, show some balls, and release Dragon Age. It was a huge throwback to the old school RPG crowd, a crowd which is only a small minority. One of the first general comments in the magazines was it's "too hard." Not to mention an RPG is the most expensive type of game one can make. So here is Bioware, with their homage to the fans that put them where they are today, and you sully their name with these ridiculous claims because you didn't like one expansion?

Yes I'm sure you'll get plenty of immersion, interesting characters and story from World of Warcraft and Diablo 3.

This ^^

[Isavald]

Drake Sigar wrote...

So because an expansion isn't very good (in your opinion), Bioware have become another cheap developer? Cover your eyes people, I don't want you to see this.

How dare you. I wouldn't trust you to give me the correct change at your McDonalds job, let alone provide an informed opinion. Bioware take a huge chance and create a game which by all rights in today's gaming climate, shouldn't exist. They should be pandering solely to the casual masses, but instead they take a leap, show some balls, and release Dragon Age. It was a huge throwback to the old school RPG crowd, a crowd which is only a small minority. One of the first general comments in the magazines was it's "too hard." Not to mention an RPG is the most expensive type of game one can make. So here is Bioware, with their homage to the fans that put them where they are today, and you sully their name with these ridiculous claims because you didn't like one expansion?

Yes I'm sure you'll get plenty of immersion, interesting characters and story from World of Warcraft and Diablo 3.

Seconded, I like how OP cited Blizzard, because they haven't been dumbing Warcraft down for the masses over the past 2-3 years. I'm so tired of the elitist and/or I deserve this and that attitudes around these forums. 

With the type of feedback and ignorance thrown around here, you deserve nothing. So quick to jump the gun, to basicly claim a company is a sell out based on one single player expansion? Most people hating on it don't offer any constructive or intelligent criticism.

My favorite is when I see someone complain Awakening was to short, then turn around and complain how it should have had romances.

[Timurlane]

Your numbers are made up, ratios are expressed with a colon (ie: 10:1) and you always reduce ratios to the lowest divisible number (ie: 1:5 not 2-10 {which is -8}).



Now that that is cleared up, I would ask if you did that incredibly insightful hard-hitting data research in your ass or whether your numbers are based on anything even remotely representative of the sample who actually play DA:A.

From what I have read, DA:A was a good expansion suffering from a few flaws (none of which you detailed) being predominantly overpricing (probably due to the new bioware model imposed by EA on all their pawns now to pump out unimpressive and overpriced dlc to sell to the console crowd), numerous bugs (not a surprise when bioware meets its release date), and being far far too easy to play (really a major disappointment considering that after one works up the steep learning curve, DA:O was not even particularly difficult; certainly nightmare mode did not need to be any easier).



Blizzard does make fantastic games, yes. But Blizzard does not deviate whatsoever from the middle road biggest market projects which is why they will never release a party-based multi-character RPG. The fact is most people don't like them and just want to control their PC a la diablo style. If this genre is not for you, don't play them, BioWare will survive plenty well off their base market so long as they continue to create the same environments with the same immersive characters and "deep" (relative to the rest of the industry) plot and character development.

As to the BioWare losing "a lot of customers" (presumably not just yourself), my guess is these are the same customers they lost when RtO was repeatedly delayed and I'm doubting they felt the sting too badly with their DA:A sales.

[Ignus Burns]

Gaddmeister wrote...

The lover/hater ratio on a forum doesn't represent the overall ratio. First of all, only a small group is active on a forum like this and it's only the most fanatic fans. And I guess they're also most likely to be disappointed when a game/expansion doesn't meet their extremely high expectations. I don't think Bioware has lost a lot of customers.

Truer words have seldom been spoken.
Of course, common sense won't stop everyone who dislikes Awakening from thinking that they are a majority.

Modifié par Ignus Burns, 25 mars 2010 - 02:02 .

[CybAnt1]

The dichotomy is silly. I'm not a lover, and I'm not a hater.



I *do* think the expac was overpriced, and that given its price point, it would have been better if it didn't have an annoying conversation system, a tedious runecrafting system, a strange lack of continuity from its predecessor, and some better QA to get rid of several bugs & glitches (it seems like new ones are turning up every day).



Am I a hater? Nah. Still enjoyed the hell out of it. But I can also still make the observation that the price/value relationship was skewed.

[Ignus Burns]

Makes sense. I bought Awakening for 20 euro which was half what I bought Origins for. I thought it was well worth half the Origins price.

[Unseen_Reaper]

How did you hate Awakening???? I loved it nothing that was bad about orgins was fixed but no new problems were created i have it for ps3 it was awesome in my oppion and i deffiently enjoyed the new orlesian orgins story it sheds some light on things to come and i bet you 40bucks you made up them numbers or stole them off a sight that doesnt have any solid love to hate ratio solid fact and there just speculations i garantee you that sure the frame rate lags autosave generates lag and somtimes you freeze but all i gotta do if quit game restart runs fine for hours everyone expected way to much from a expansion pack ive beat it 6times and if you dont play it have fun figuring out whats happening on DAO:2 garantee you'll be itching your head for hours asking whos the archatect! why do darkspawn talk!? so be all hating on awakening they havent lost me as a customer i used to be a call of duty guy Orgins and awakening have completely changed my view on what entertainment i get from games good day to you sir! awakening was awesome could have been better but coulda woulda shoulda deal with it.

[Realmzmaster]

I trying figure out what research was done to get those interesting ratios for lovers/haters? Please show me the supporting data. Otherwise I can only assume that the data does not exist and you pull these numbers out of the air.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 25 mars 2010 - 03:40 .

[ModerateOsprey]

I have no grumbles. I actually got DAO cheaper. 15 quid from amazon and awakenings at 20 quid. Defo had 35 quids worth

[bluebullets]

DA:A wasn't what it should have been. It was overpriced and they should have released it in early 2011, and FINISHED the game.
It bothered me massively how little DA:O was carried over. I loathed the new conversation system, as well.

I am not a hater however, and I will be buying DA:2 at midnight.

Modifié par bluebullets, 25 mars 2010 - 03:56 .

[Legbiter]

Drake Sigar wrote...

So because an expansion isn't very good (in your opinion), Bioware have become another cheap developer? Cover your eyes people, I don't want you to see this.

How dare you. I wouldn't trust you to give me the correct change at your McDonalds job, let alone provide an informed opinion. Bioware take a huge chance and create a game which by all rights in today's gaming climate, shouldn't exist. They should be pandering solely to the casual masses, but instead they take a leap, show some balls, and release Dragon Age. It was a huge throwback to the old school RPG crowd, a crowd which is only a small minority. One of the first general comments in the magazines was it's "too hard." Not to mention an RPG is the most expensive type of game one can make. So here is Bioware, with their homage to the fans that put them where they are today, and you sully their name with these ridiculous claims because you didn't like one expansion?

Yes I'm sure you'll get plenty of immersion, interesting characters and story from World of Warcraft and Diablo 3.

And Drake Sigar wins the thread.

Awakenings needs a decent patch, but that's about it. Also, it's been thus for every single Bioware release whether for a game or an x-pack. Even when Throne of Bhaal came out, which today is considered a classic, the forum was clogged with people nerdraging about the lore, lack of carryover from BG2, price and length. 

Today, aside from bug complaints (which are valid) the most visible contingent for me are the soccer moms and the emo-teens nerdraging about Alastair not showing up in Awakenings to give them an Antivan milk sandwich and/or that Oghren offends their middle class sensibilities. But thankfully that's the dev's problem not mine.

[Anyroad2]

Awakening was great. I have a few problems with it, among them is that it made me wish that the experience was longer. But alas, its only an Expansion Pack. =P

[Phonantiphon]

Actually, I am loving it. Yeah got off to a bit of a shaky start in terms of my expectations, but on the whole I am enjoying it, yeah.

[TheMadCat]

Bioware take a huge chance and create a game which by all rights in
today's gaming climate, shouldn't exist. They should be pandering
solely to the casual masses, but instead they take a leap, show some
balls, and release Dragon Age. It was a huge throwback to the old
school RPG crowd, a crowd which is only a small minority. One of the
first general comments in the magazines was it's "too hard." Not to
mention an RPG is the most expensive type of game one can make.

I love Origins but lets not get carried away here, I don't really look at it as a "throwback" to us old schoolers and there are quite a few aspects that show pandering to the mainstream, note there is nothing wrong with this but there's no reason to pretend it's not there. And a risk? Really? Given that anything with a Bioware label on it is guaranteed to go multi-plat these days and the fact it had been hyped to high heaven for 5 years, the amount of advertising fed into it, quite a bit of content coming so soon after, and the insane amount of merchandising following it, I'm not sure I'd agree on that mark. It's obvious they expected it to be a hit otherwise they wouldn't have sunk so much cash into in the first place.

Other then that little bit, agree with your post.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 25 mars 2010 - 05:55 .