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[JeanLuc761]

Darht Jayder wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Darht Jayder wrote...
Everytime I read this kind of a post...I feel I have to mention......In no way does she express any kind of attraction to you from the start.  sorry but it's the truth.  Delude yourself if you want but it's wrong.  She is loyal I'll give you that but that's about it.

Somebody finally said it, thank you!

I think Tali's fantastic but she only admits her attraction AFTER her loyalty mission (like everyone else).  Everything else with her (her reaction to seeing you alive, "I wish Shepard were here.." and loyalty mission dialogue) can be easily attributed to a loyal friend as well as a lover.

On top of that.....I keep mentioning it.  You can treat her absolutely horrible in Me1, treat her bad in Me2, give Veetor to TIM and she still all  of a sudden develops feeligns for you.  ****** poor writing and blatant fan service by Bioware.  But....whatever. 

I'll agree that it's poor writing if she still develops feelings for you if you treat her like garbage but I wouldn't attribute that to fanservice.  Besides, no TRUE Talimancer would treat her badly.

[InvaderErl]

Liara is the same way.

You can't however, I believe, present the evidence against her father and you cannot side with Legion so she won't take EVERYTHING Shepard can dish out.

Also I didn't see why Jayder jumped over the original comment about Tali loving Shep since ME1. The game states this fairly clearly, even if she doesn't show it.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 25 mars 2010 - 04:22 .

[Raphael diSanto]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

Darht Jayder wrote...

Texaboose wrote...

Tali.
The fact that she was attracted to you from the start, but selflessly put her own feelings aside as she didn't want to burden you with the realities of quarian physical relationship difficulties - although some of this also stemmed from the fact that quarians are generally shunned, and she was a self-conscious about this. She's loyal to you; willing to leave the flotilla for you, and even AFTER you confess that you're interested in her too, she's still willing for you to find someone else if you need a physical relationship (so she has your best interests at heart).
Plus she's awkward in a cute way and has a hot accent

Everytime I read this kind of a post...I feel I have to mention......In no way does she express any kind of attraction to you from the start.  sorry but it's the truth.  Delude yourself if you want but it's wrong.  She is loyal I'll give you that but that's about it.

Anyways, Jack is the best romance from ME2 but Liara is my favourite overall LI....without her she you would be in the ahnds of the collector's Shadow Broker style.

That's not what he said. He said she was attracted to Shep from the start, not that she showed it.

Her dialogue proves that yes, she was attracted to Shep from the start, but that no, she never showed it because of the Quarian thing, and the mask thing, and the immune system thing.

There is zero proof that she was attracted to Shep from the start especially, as you point out, if she doesn't show it so the point is invalid. 

it's in her dialogue, dude. Unless you think she's lying, of course.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Darht Jayder wrote...

On top of that.....I keep mentioning it.  You can treat her absolutely horrible in Me1, treat her bad in Me2, give Veetor to TIM and she still all  of a sudden develops feeligns for you.  ****** poor writing and blatant fan service by Bioware.  But....whatever. 

Well they could've done more to incorporate your past treatment of her, but I see the value of leaving lines open to interpretation.  I remember in one of the Splinter Cell games, you're given an option to shoot a guy or let him go.  Regardless of what you do, Sam Fisher ends the scene with the same line, but it takes on a different meaning depending on what you did.  It's efficient and effective.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 25 mars 2010 - 04:23 .

[InvaderErl]

No one's forcing you to love Tali, dude. I love how everyone says the Tali people will flame you and it almost never happens. Its like the last jab they can try and throw at her fans.

[insochris]

Daurf815 wrote...

There IS a scene in which Miranda makes you promise her you won't die in the suicide mission.

That sounds like she gives a crap if you live or die.

i thought it was just to make a Team America reference.

[jlb524]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

it's in her dialogue, dude. Unless you think she's lying, of course.

I think Darht Jayder is just saying that there are no hints that Tali is interested in you (in either ME1 or ME2) prior to her admitting that she has always been interested in you.

Modifié par jlb524, 25 mars 2010 - 04:25 .

[Raphael diSanto]

InvaderErl wrote...

No one's forcing you to love Tali, dude. I love how everyone says the Tali people will flame you and it almost never happens. Its like the last jab they can try and throw at her fans.

It really doesn't. Most Talimancers are too busy in the Tali thread to care about people insulting Tali.

[ModerateOsprey]

Pacifien wrote...

Wild Still wrote...

My LI is clearly the best.

1: Never says a single word to Shepard
2: Is always there for Shepard, no matter how bad the odds are.
3: Doesn't demand Shepard run errands like treason trials, stopping assassinations and other crap.
4: Never cries, EVER.
5: BOOM - HEADSHOT

I'm trying to figure out if we have the same LI.

Yeah, me too. I am considering making a move...

[Tankkiller1337]

Ashley



Natural beauty, not like Miranda and just a way better character than the one of Miranda:/

[InvaderErl]

jlb524 wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

it's in her dialogue, dude. Unless you think she's lying, of course.

I think Darht Jayder is just saying that there are no hints that Tali is interested in you (in either ME1 or ME2) prior to her admitting that she has always been interested in you.

This is true. I know some people read some of her more friendly interactions that way but I never did, which is why I play Shep being as Huh? when Kelly brings it up.

[JeanLuc761]

Raphael diSanto wrote...
it's in her dialogue, dude. Unless you think she's lying, of course.

The ONLY thing she says that could be implied as "attraction from the start" is her line that goes:
"Shepard, I watched you tear into the Thorian like a force of nature, nothing could stop you.  I saw your face as Chief Williams was killed when you left her on Virmire.  I watched you stand strong against everything the galaxy threw at you and...I never imagined you'd see past this."

All that reveals is that she admires you and/or is attracted to you as she came to know Shepard during the course of Mass Effect 1.  Nothing she says even hints that she was attracted to you from the start, even her dialogue at the start of Mass Effect 2.

I'm a confirmed Talimancer but I'm with Darth 100% on this one.

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 25 mars 2010 - 04:29 .

[thedoncarnage]

Liara.



Sorry, I have a thing for the awkward librarian type.



I would have left her in ME2 but after reading all she went through in Redemption and seeing the one-off explanation dialogue for her attitude change on Illium I just can't bear to abandon her.

[Raphael diSanto]

jlb524 wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

it's in her dialogue, dude. Unless you think she's lying, of course.

I think Darht Jayder is just saying that there are no hints that Tali is interested in you (in either ME1 or ME2) prior to her admitting that she has always been interested in you.

Oh, I know. I said -exactly- the same thing, just a few posts up.

I'll try again

Texaboose wrote: "The fact that she was attracted to you from the start"
Darht Jayder wrote: "In no way does she express any kind of attraction to you from the start"
I wrote: "That's not what he (Texaboose) said. He said she was attracted to Shep from the
start, not that she showed it."

I wasn't even talking about it as a fan of Tali. I was just trying to clear up an argument based on a misreading and misunderstanding.

Tali never shows any attraction until after the Loyalty mission (none of them do).

But she -tells- you that she was attracted from way back in ME1.

That's all I was trying to say, to clarify the point that Tex and Darht were actually arguing about completely different things.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Feh, it works if that's how you play it out. Half of storytelling is the audience's interpretation.

[Raphael diSanto]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...
it's in her dialogue, dude. Unless you think she's lying, of course.

The ONLY thing she says that could be implied as "attraction from the start" is her line that goes:
"Shepard, I watched you tear into the Thorian like a force of nature, nothing could stop you.  I saw your face as Chief Williams was killed when you left her on Virmire.  I watched you stand strong against everything the galaxy threw at you and...I never imagined you'd see past this."

All that reveals is that she admires you and/or is attracted to you as she came to know Shepard during the course of Mass Effect 1.  Nothing she says even hints that she was attracted to you from the start, even her dialogue at the start of Mass Effect 2.

Well, two things here - how are you definine "attracted from the start"?  I don't think anyone's saying Tali fell head over heels in love with Shepard from the moment he rescued her in ME - Love doesn't work that way. You yourself said it - attracted to Shepard as she came to know him during the course of ME1, which is generally what people mean when they talk about Tali being attractted to Shepard from the start.

And...

"What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy? How could she possibly develop any kind of interest in him?"

The interest on Tali's part most definitely started in Mass Effect 1. She didn't show it, it may not have been in the game, but that line very strongly implies that Tali had feelings for Shep in ME1, even if she never acted on them.

[janeym27]

Garrus. Because of his discerning pallet for wine, excellent taste in music, and smooth talking chat-up lines.



Also because he's, y'know, Garrus!

[InvaderErl]

I always thought of it as being she was a bit intimidated being a Quarian and all and her potential rivals being a Human and a Asari, what chance did she think she would have?