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[SirEmilCrane]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

What does E-drain do for me against Scions/husks/collectors?  Certainly won't help me on Tali's recruitment or loyalty mission for that matter since she won't have it when it would be most effective.  So that leaves you with what, blue suns mercs side missions?.

Like I said, I won't deny that her skills are useful (and I say use that word loosely, her powers are so situational its laughable), but a) you acquire Tali too late in the game, you unlock E-drain late as well, and c) her passive is terrible in comparison to Legion who has cooldown reduction instead of increased duration.

You can get e-drain right after the colletor ship, just do her loyalty mission. You, can aslo get her right after Morizon, plenty of game still left after that.

She is useful against Blue Suns, Eclipse, mechs, those Batarian guys in that one side quest and geth, and you do fight Geth later on as well.

Uesful on
Thane's Recrutiment mission
Samara's Recruitment mission (though less so)
Jacob's loyalty Mission
Garrus's loyalty mission
Miranda's Loyalty Mission
Zaeed's Loyalty Mission
Legion's loyalty Mission
The Crashing ship side Quest
The weather Device Side quest
The Prothean Artifact mission
MSV Strontium Mule Mission
Destroying the Blue Suns transponder mission
Downloading the random data from eclipse mission
Batarian Terrorists with missiles mission
The defective Mech factory
The crashed ship with defective mechs
Sucure Smuggled cargo
The cerberus operative mission
(did I miss any?)

[Cascadus]

I'll be perfectly honest, I always brought Tali and Garrus with my everywhere, not really because of their combat skills (though Garrus kicks ass), but because they're the only two squadmates in the game that have armour that makes sense.

[SirEmilCrane]

Cascadus wrote...

I'll be perfectly honest, I always brought Tali and Garrus with my everywhere, not really because of their combat skills (though Garrus kicks ass), but because they're the only two squadmates in the game that have armour that makes sense.

I take them with me everywhere too

I just like proving the "power gamers" wrong

[OneBadAssMother]

They are much better switching to pistols. Only squaddie who is effective in CQC especially on insanity is Grunt.

[Atmosfear3]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

I'll be perfectly honest, I always brought Tali and Garrus with my everywhere, not really because of their combat skills (though Garrus kicks ass), but because they're the only two squadmates in the game that have armour that makes sense.

I take them with me everywhere too

I just like proving the "power gamers" wrong

Grats, you've list every possible mission (pre-horizon including) where E-drain is "useful". I see you play the game revolving completely around Tali.  Now how are you going to explain how the rest of her terrible powers are useful for the rest of the game?  You're so hung up on how good e-drain is yet you've said nothing to disprove my statement that Tali is the worst squadmate.

Modifié par Atmosfear3, 29 mars 2010 - 04:13 .

[Tlazolteotl]

Eh, powergamers are always right.

Suboptimal tactics work, they just don't work as well.

[SirEmilCrane]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

I'll be perfectly honest, I always brought Tali and Garrus with my everywhere, not really because of their combat skills (though Garrus kicks ass), but because they're the only two squadmates in the game that have armour that makes sense.

I take them with me everywhere too

I just like proving the "power gamers" wrong

Grats, you've list every possible mission (pre-horizon including) where E-drain is "useful". I see you play the game revolving completely around Tali.  Now how are you going to explain how the rest of her terrible powers are useful for the rest of the game?  You're so hung up on how good e-drain is yet you've said nothing to disprove my statement that Tali is the worst squadmate.

jack is the worst squadmate, at least Tali's powers work on protected foes.
Combat drone is always useful, it stuns people, hangs up Scions, and then blows up for damage

[Tlazolteotl]

Jack brings warp ammo, though.

[SirEmilCrane]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Jack brings warp ammo, though.

Which you can take as a bonus power and isn't that great if you're a soldier because I laready have Incindiary and Disruptor ammo plus a MG that does extra damage to all defences

Also, don't people play the game for more that just optimal builds?

[Tlazolteotl]

Yes. And to do that, I'll play a vanguard that kills stuff with an SMG.

Tali is just weak. Great character, weaksauce in combat.

[SirEmilCrane]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Yes. And to do that, I'll play a vanguard that kills stuff with an SMG.
Tali is just weak. Great character, weaksauce in combat.

Well, I've played through insanity with her in my squad, no problems, found her abilities quite useful

[Tlazolteotl]

Yeah, and I also killed 90% of everything in insanity with an SMG as a vanguard.

It was also quite useful.

Useful does not equal good.

[SirEmilCrane]

Well fine. I'm clearly not going to convince you. I like having her in my squad, you don't. I play the game for the RP aspect, you obviously don't.



Have fun being 1337 and all, you have really mad skills and know all the uber gaming tricks to play ME2. I'm clearly not worthy to post in the same thread as you.

[Tlazolteotl]

Dude, there's nothing wrong with taking whatever squad you want.
Your error is saying the "powergamers are wrong" and "she is not crap."

Edit:
Using my example, I liked charging around with an SMG ... but if I were to try convincing vanguard experts out there that it's a "good way to play a vanguard," that would be an error.

Modifié par Tlazolteotl, 29 mars 2010 - 08:18 .

[SirEmilCrane]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Dude, there's nothing wrong with taking whatever squad you want.
Your error is saying the "powergamers are wrong" and "she is not crap."

well I don't think she is crap. I get a lot of use out of combat drone e drain and her shot gun with squad incindiary ammo

I assume you play vanguard correct?
She is more useful to a soldier, I'll admit

[Tlazolteotl]

I play every class, but soldier is my least favourite due to the lack of weapon hotkeys.

[SirEmilCrane]

No hotkeys suck



I still believe jack is a lot more useless that Tali, Jack's powers require enemy defenses to be down. Tali can take down shields, the most commonly encountered form of defense. Combat drone is good for prolonged cover fights as it knocks people out of cover. With squad Incendiary ammo she racks up an impressive amount of kills. Best squademate? no Worst? No



AI hacking is useless I'll also admit, I put a few points into it, helps every now and then

[Heart Collector]

SirEmilCrane wrote...



jack is the worst squadmate, at least Tali's powers work on protected foes.
Combat drone is always useful, it stuns people, hangs up Scions, and then blows up for damage

On my insanity Engineer I was pleasantly surprised by Jack. She seems to be quite tenacious and hard to kill... Her shockwave is actually useful as I tend to strip enemy defences rather quickly. Pull is always awesome (though I haven't maxed it out yet so I use shockwave to mess up my enemies), and her warp ammo gives a good boost to my damage.

I have yet to try her against Collectors, but she was very decent vs Eclipse and to a lesser extent Blood Pack.

[SirEmilCrane]

Heart Collector wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...



jack is the worst squadmate, at least Tali's powers work on protected foes.
Combat drone is always useful, it stuns people, hangs up Scions, and then blows up for damage

On my insanity Engineer I was pleasantly surprised by Jack. She seems to be quite tenacious and hard to kill... Her shockwave is actually useful as I tend to strip enemy defences rather quickly. Pull is always awesome (though I haven't maxed it out yet so I use shockwave to mess up my enemies), and her warp ammo gives a good boost to my damage.

I have yet to try her against Collectors, but she was very decent vs Eclipse and to a lesser extent Blood Pack.

Hmm, I'll jhave to try her out in that light some time
might cause me to re-evaluate my thoughts on her

(some people here could take a hint)

[Tlazolteotl]

30s recharge on her drone, though.

Engineer's drone is 3s recharge, and Legion gets up to a 25% discount on cooldown.

12s recharge on energy drain, and frankly I think it's weaker than overload. Can't blow stuff up, can't disable synthetics, can't overheat weapons. Replace that with recharging her shields .. and is she likely to have the power when she needs it? Not if she used drone.

Other ppl with overload brings hefty bonuses with them. Garrus has DPS and AP ammo. Miranda is overpowered.

Other ppl with drone is legion .. and it has a widow and cooldown discount.

For a vs. shield character, she's the weakest.

[kinsha22]

Hmm... To be honest Tali doesn't work so well at long range when I use her. I've found her to be poor to mediocre at close range with the shotgun eviscerator. However, when I used warp or incediary ammo, I found her alot more useful at close range. Not as powerful as say...Grunt with his claymore, but I definitely noticed that enemies weren't running over her anymore and she actually had stopping power.

When I was using an adept, I found the drone to be a life saver vs highly shielded/armored targets. The drone would buy me precious seconds to fall back or reposition. Of course legion is better, but Legion comes near the end. I've also found it it interesting to use both Legion and Tali's drones, by interchanging their use and keeping a one drone out as often as possible. I do sometimes put one point into AI hacking, but the only time I've found it useful is on Legion's loyalty mission and I hack the get rocket troopers.

I don't use Jack generally because I don't like any of her abilities. Shockwave didn't impress me and better characters have pull or push. Warp ammo is great, but I usually take that as a bonus power. Assuming I didn't I still can't really justify using Jack for my playing style anyway. When you think about it, Jack should have warp ammo removed and she should get biotic slam. Makes more sense since she's got so much raw biotic power plot-wise. She shouldn't even need to use a weapon.

Modifié par kinsha22, 29 mars 2010 - 08:43 .

[SirEmilCrane]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

30s recharge on her drone, though.
Engineer's drone is 3s recharge, and Legion gets up to a 25% discount on cooldown.
12s recharge on energy drain, and frankly I think it's weaker than overload. Can't blow stuff up, can't disable synthetics, can't overheat weapons. Replace that with recharging her shields .. and is she likely to have the power when she needs it? Not if she used drone.
Other ppl with overload brings hefty bonuses with them. Garrus has DPS and AP ammo. Miranda is overpowered.
Other ppl with drone is legion .. and it has a widow and cooldown discount.
For a vs. shield character, she's the weakest.

E-drain does exactly the same against shields as overload, except is also increases the user's shields. I don't see a downside there.

Garrus has other useful abilities that compete for points. (AP ammo anyone) I will not ever use Miranda, period. legion comes waaaay too late.

her drone cooldown times need to be reduced as well

You could also turn off squad members auto using powers, so she only uses drone when you need it

Maybe you should try having an open mind sometime. I'm playing on insanity and find her abilities useful, I'm not lying so I must be doing something right.

[Heart Collector]

SirEmilCrane wrote...


Hmm, I'll jhave to try her out in that light some time
might cause me to re-evaluate my thoughts on her

(some people here could take a hint)

Hehe, don't hold my word to it though :happy:
I remember some posters saying that Thane doesn't seem to die for them, however he bites the dust quickly in my games! So it could be different for everybody...
Though now I just got area reave for Samara, so I'm gonna try her out when I get home. I guess she will outperform Jack, though it remains to be seen for me. Hell, maybe I'll have them work together, see how it works out.

[Tlazolteotl]

Umm, do I sound like someone who hasn't tried everything in the game?

[SirEmilCrane]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Umm, do I sound like someone who hasn't tried everything in the game?

No but you seem pretty closed minded