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[Varenus Luckmann]

ejoslin wrote...
Are you saying he looks like that to you?

Of course! Surely I wouldn't doctor photographs out of sheer boredom and the fact that my DAO isn't working, would I?

I resent these baseless accusations and categorically deny them! Have at you!
*swings candleabra*

[ejoslin]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Are you saying he looks like that to you?

Of course! Surely I wouldn't doctor photographs out of sheer boredom and the fact that my DAO isn't working, would I?

I resent these baseless accusations and categorically deny them! Have at you!
*swings candleabra*

Eeeeep, DAO isn't working for you atm?  

If DAO wasn't working for me, I'd be posting dwarf kisses all over the place in frustration 

[sylvanaerie]

AND of course if we get pics of Zevran in the thread can I also put in we can get some of Bann Teagan?

[ejoslin]

Bann Sexy is always welcome to me!

[sylvanaerie]

Hmmm do you think Addai and Mouse managed to chase the Wynne clone off? Or do you think he may be regrouping for an ineffectual counterattack?

[Varenus Luckmann]

ejoslin wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Are you saying he looks like that to you?

Of course! Surely I wouldn't doctor photographs out of sheer boredom and the fact that my DAO isn't working, would I?

I resent these baseless accusations and categorically deny them! Have at you!
*swings candleabra*

Eeeeep, DAO isn't working for you atm?  

If DAO wasn't working for me, I'd be posting dwarf kisses all over the place in frustration 

I'm bumping every single "Oghren isn't showing up"-thread in frustration.

It's apparently been a known issue since release and after trying to fix it for nearly 24 hours straight (and with a ticket at EA "support") I'm at my wit's end. I even made a userbar in sheer desperation.

I think we just derailed the thread.

[ejoslin]

Oh, he's regrouping. And he'll come back and say something like:

No matter what, it's a FACT that Zevran is a scumbag murderer!!!!!!




YES! A scumbag murderer. It's proven because I say so and what I say is proof!



If you were to listen to logic you'd understand that Zevran is a scumbag murderer!

Edit: I'm not sure I hit enter as many times as he does.

Second edit: Capiche?

(thanks Sylvanaerie)

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 mars 2010 - 12:51 .

[HaloKT]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

HaloKT wrote...
[...]

- Leliana: An Orlesian spy/assassin. Morally the same level as Zevran.

[...]

I'd like to raise my voice in defense of Leliana, here. An important difference between Zevran and Leliana is that Leliana never was an actual assassin and that she actually dislikes the act of killing.

Unless you harden her, but that's another point entirely.

She does state that she always sought out non-violent ways. However, she always says that part of her enjoyed the killing. So although she tried to stay away from violence, she did kill people for her patrons/clients.
She's just as much of a "scumbag murderer" as Zevran. And I deliberately took her as an example, because she's possibly the sweetest companion you're going to get unless you harden her. And still - she's a "scumbag murderer" nevertheless.

[sylvanaerie]

Capiche?

[Varenus Luckmann]

HaloKT wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

HaloKT wrote...
[...]

- Leliana: An Orlesian spy/assassin. Morally the same level as Zevran.

[...]

I'd like to raise my voice in defense of Leliana, here. An important difference between Zevran and Leliana is that Leliana never was an actual assassin and that she actually dislikes the act of killing.

Unless you harden her, but that's another point entirely.

She does state that she always sought out non-violent ways. However, she always says that part of her enjoyed the killing. So although she tried to stay away from violence, she did kill people for her patrons/clients.
She's just as much of a "scumbag murderer" as Zevran. And I deliberately took her as an example, because she's possibly the sweetest companion you're going to get unless you harden her. And still - she's a "scumbag murderer" nevertheless.

You lie!

[sylvanaerie]

ejoslin wrote...

Oh, he's regrouping. And he'll come back and say something like:

No matter what, it's a FACT that Zevran is a scumbag murderer!!!!!!




YES! A scumbag murderer. It's proven because I say so and what I say is proof!



If you were to listen to logic you'd understand that Zevran is a scumbag murderer!

Edit: I'm not sure I hit enter as many times as he does.

Second edit: Capiche?

(thanks Sylvanaerie)

shoot no you didn't





hit





enter enough






times...




Remember his posts




must take up




the entire page



Capiche?

[Varenus Luckmann]

Stop saying "Him". It's Volourn. It's a she. Volourn is a .

So, who wants a userbar?

[Radahldo]

I would like a userbar!

[ejoslin]

Oooh, could you make me a userbar?

[sylvanaerie]

What's a userbar?

[Varenus Luckmann]

Radahldo wrote...
I would like a userbar!

ejoslin wrote...
Oooh, could you make me a userbar?

Sure. It's not like I'm doing anything worthwhile. Just do me a favour and go whine a bit somewhere over how we're not getting patches efter 6 months.

What should be in these userbars, and how long should they be? I've got two sizes, I think. The long one I have in my signature, and one that's like this .

[Sarah1281]

A drunkard who has killed a defenceless opponent in the Proving, and still thinks that the fights in the Proving should be lethal.

He wasn't a defenceless opponent; he just attacked too viciously while the opponent was presumabl holding back as the Provings were supposed to be non-lethal, although I doubt that was intentional. Careless and reckless, yes, but why would he kowingly stab himself in the foot like that? Wanting the Provings to be lethal after that incident, I can understand. As long as everyone knows what they're getting into, I don't think it would be a problem.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Sarah1281 wrote...

A drunkard who has killed a defenceless opponent in the Proving, and still thinks that the fights in the Proving should be lethal.

He wasn't a defenceless opponent; he just attacked too viciously while the opponent was presumabl holding back as the Provings were supposed to be non-lethal, although I doubt that was intentional. Careless and reckless, yes, but why would he kowingly stab himself in the foot like that? Wanting the Provings to be lethal after that incident, I can understand. As long as everyone knows what they're getting into, I don't think it would be a problem.

Because he's a drunkard, that's why.

Don't get me wrong. Nothing wrong with drunkards.

[Red Frostraven]

HaloKT wrote...

It's not really blck and white.

- Leliana: An Orlesian spy/assassin. Morally the same level as Zevran.
- Oghren: A drunkard who has killed a defenceless opponent in the Proving, and still thinks that the fights in the Proving should be lethal.
- Sten: A massive qunari who has murdered an entire household including children. Sentenced to death for his crimes, and yet you free him?
- Morrigan: While most of her killing in the past was defence against templars, she does have a slightly "different" view on how to deal with people. In general, Morrigan regards all human life save her own as worthless and expendable. If someone isn't able to defend himself, he deserves to die. If someone shows compassion, it's lack of intelligence for her. Not quite the person you'd like to hang around with as a goody-two-shoes.
- Shale: Extremely bitter and doesn't show any sign of respect for organic life at all. Is known to have killed already, and from her words is likely to do so again.

The NPCs' backstories do not leave much leeway. They're all criminals, except for Alistair, Wynne and Dog (who loves you no matter what you do). From what I read, the only difference you make is not that Zevran is an assassin, but that he has tried to kill you. All of your companions have had their experience in killing people for money, or out of sheer bloodrage.

Sten: A massive qun'ari who murdered an entire several people in a fit of rage when learning that his reason for living had been stripped away from him in the battlefield. He was repentive, and full of regret.
I asked him to join to repent for his crimes, and he never betrayed my trust even at 0 approval.
His one time incident happened in affection, and he was prepared to die for his crimes, did not resist when the templars came to bring him in when he had calmed down, and he would have died had not my party freed him with the Revered Mother's blessing.

-Morrigan: More or less the same past as Zevran: Raised to be a psychopath by powers greater than herself. I do not trust her either.

-Shale: After being a mage's personal slave for a decade, she may or may not have killed her slave-master.
She refers to other living creatures as squishy, based on her experience as a 10 ton golem.
Her master effing chiseled away most of her body so that she would fit through the effing doors because his freaking wife didn't want Shale indoors..!
... I believe that shale's past is a Edward Scissorhands moment: She did it, but not because she wanted to -- only because she became free-willed too fast to be able to control herself.
In any case, she was a slave, and her master's death eventually led to her freedom.

-Oghren: Drunk, he challenged another warrior to a fight to first blood. He was punished according to Orzammar law, and suffered the entire punishment.
Boys with sharp toys should not play when drunk, and even dwarves -- or perhaps, especially dwarves -- should know that you don't put overly drunk dwarves in a fighting ring when only one is drunk and truly hates the other.
(Dwarves have a knack for honor, if you recall -- and this person supposedly challenged his Oghren's honor.)

Leliana: A repenting orlesian BARD who
was primarily a spy, possibly killing most of her kills after being
exposed and fleeing -- we have little reason to expect her to have done
a whole lot of pure assassinating.
She QUIT
as she realized her employer planned grand treason, but  didn't manage
to turn her employer in, was double crossed and left imprisoned as the
traitor.
Then she escaped, and never assassinated, commited treason, nor spied ever again.
She voluntairs for your party, after helping you, in an honest desire to do good for the world to wash away her past.
She stays by your side till the end, no matter her approval.
In combat, she shouts "I never liked this part".
She is afraid that she might be evil.
She admits she enjoys the "thrill of the hunt", but it is never specified if she has assassinated anyone, as opposed to having fought people to the death.
In any case, she regrets ever having fallen under Marjolaine's influence and has broken free without your influence, and when confronted by her previous mistress, she will turn down her offers no matter her approval with you.

Zevran: A suicidal antivan assassin who was primarily an assassin, possibly killing a lot of women and children in his way to his marks. He went on a mission to kill all grey wardens after realizing that his girlfriend, whom he enjoyed killing with his comrade, in fact wasn't going to save the life of their next victim marked for assassination like they believed she would. She was in fact going to assist them in murdering their next target, and the thought of his beloved actually not protecting someone from assassination, and himself mocking her when she proclaimed her love for him and pleading for her life while he laughed at her face while they killed her slowly troubled him somewhat, but not more than him constantly wanting the company of prostitutes and other women.
After potentially killing some other grey wardens, he encounter the party, and upon being crushed, he asks you to spare his life and take him with you.
He will suggest that he may be an assassin working for the king, if you crown Alistair.
In combat, he shouts "I love this part".
Zevran admits he enjoys taking lives, especially the moment when the victim's life is completely in his hands.
He will betray you unless you butter him up, once his comrade shows up, if your improval with him is less than 26.

...
For me Zevran is the opposite of Leliana:

Zevran was the group leader,
Leliana tagged along with Marjolaine.

Zevran's only regret is killing his lover and accomplice, not murdering people and causing collateral damage
Leliana's only regret is killing people, not leaving her lover and accomplice
She regrets what she did to others.
He regret what he did to his own.

Leliana leaves but is betrayed by her lover, but escapes her life to start a new far away from her lover.
Zevran betrays his lover, and goes on another assassination mission to die after learning that he couldn't justify the murder of his lover.
She is betrayed by her lover, and starts a new life.
He betrays his lover, and wants to end his life.

Leliana helps you first, then ask to join you.
Zevran tries to kill you first, then ask to join you.
She saves your life.
He tries to your life.

Leliana won't betray you if you don't butter her up.
Zevran may betray you unless you butter him up.
She will not betray you for anything in the world.
He will betray you unless you give him what he wants.

Modifié par Red Frostraven, 29 mars 2010 - 01:17 .

[ejoslin]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Radahldo wrote...
I would like a userbar!

ejoslin wrote...
Oooh, could you make me a userbar?

Sure. It's not like I'm doing anything worthwhile. Just do me a favour and go whine a bit somewhere over how we're not getting patches efter 6 months.

What should be in these userbars, and how long should they be? I've got two sizes, I think. The long one I have in my signature, and one that's like this .

Oh, ewww, I have to whine?  Gushing is more my style!  I guess I won't earn my userbar 

Edit: Holy wall of text, batman!

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 mars 2010 - 01:14 .

[Axekix]

Red Frostraven wrote...
-Morrigan: More or less the same past as Zevran: Raised to be a psychopath by powers greater than herself. I do not trust her either.

Morrigan?  A psychopath?  She's one of the most pragmatic characters in the entire game.

[sylvanaerie]

Shhhh Axe that's Wynne...She's pretty stone carved in her ways, you won't be able to budge her even an inch so best not to encourage her.

And I agree with you Morrigan is a pragmatist in as much as her limited world view allows her to be.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 29 mars 2010 - 01:18 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Axekix wrote...

Red Frostraven wrote...
-Morrigan: More or less the same past as Zevran: Raised to be a psychopath by powers greater than herself. I do not trust her either.

Morrigan?  A psychopath?  She's one of the most pragmatic characters in the entire game.

Oh, wow. You mean, just like the vast majority of psychopaths?

[Varenus Luckmann]

ejoslin wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Radahldo wrote...
I would like a userbar!

ejoslin wrote...
Oooh, could you make me a userbar?

Sure. It's not like I'm doing anything worthwhile. Just do me a favour and go whine a bit somewhere over how we're not getting patches efter 6 months.

What should be in these userbars, and how long should they be? I've got two sizes, I think. The long one I have in my signature, and one that's like this .

Oh, ewww, I have to whine?  Gushing is more my style!  I guess I won't earn my userbar 

Edit: Holy wall of text, batman!

Gushing? You mean turn on the faucet? Sure, that works too.
I can make you one just out of pity.

[ejoslin]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Radahldo wrote...
I would like a userbar!

ejoslin wrote...
Oooh, could you make me a userbar?

Sure. It's not like I'm doing anything worthwhile. Just do me a favour and go whine a bit somewhere over how we're not getting patches efter 6 months.

What should be in these userbars, and how long should they be? I've got two sizes, I think. The long one I have in my signature, and one that's like this .

Oh, ewww, I have to whine?  Gushing is more my style!  I guess I won't earn my userbar 

Edit: Holy wall of text, batman!

Gushing? You mean turn on the faucet? Sure, that works too.
I can make you one just out of pity.

YAY! Can it be purple and Zevran-y?  Those are two of my favorite things.