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[nranola]

Well... if your PC's up for doing extreme things, like say, defiling a sacred relic, there are bound to be extreme consequences as well. You'll just have to deal. That doesn't make either of them idiots, though.

Modifié par nranola, 25 mars 2010 - 10:42 .

[sami jo]

Addai67 wrote...

Relshar wrote...

If you killed Wynne your going to strugle near the end of the main storyline.

??  I never take Wynne anywhere I don't absolutely have to.

It's a struggle to have her in the party, not to leave her behind. 

Wynne never even left camp on my last playthrough, and neither did Morrigan. (DW dex/cun rogue who paired with Zev as a DW dex/cun rogue and were pretty much unstoppable no matter who else I stuck in the party.)  It was a little rough without a healer during my first playthrough, but it is possible to play through with just about any party configuration.  That character killed the high dragon with Zev, Lel and Dog.

[sylvanaerie]

BTW defiling someone's final resting place by any stretch of the imagination is not "Doing the right thing" no matter how you justify it. I even have problems with Archeologists going into tombs and bringing out ancient treasures kings were buried with.

[Efesell]

I'm pretty sure Leliana can be intimidated.
It's Wynne who remains the ash-lover to the bitter end. Even if she wasn't there, or hell didn't even know you at the time.

Modifié par Efesell, 25 mars 2010 - 10:49 .

[sami jo]

sylvanaerie wrote...

BTW defiling someone's final resting place by any stretch of the imagination is not "Doing the right thing" no matter how you justify it. I even have problems with Archeologists going into tombs and bringing out ancient treasures kings were buried with.

Agreed.  Besides, the ashes have been missing for a long time and it doesn't seem to have hurt the Chantry. 

[Emerald Melios]

I don't really see the point of going along with Kolgrim's plan.



1. Reaver specialization is...not that great.

2. His cult did not give off a very friendly impression. They had plenty of opportunities to be civil, and that dragon cult spent every one of them trying to kill me for following up on Brother Genitivi's research. Bunch of *****s.

3. Regardless of mine and my characters feelings about the Chantry, Leliana is my favorite companion and primary love interest. I can't bring myself to betray her by defiling the ashes.

[Dagon]

if you don't like Leliana and Zevran, and you still want to open chests, and youre not a Rogue youre self. just get the Lock Bash mod from (xatmos2)

[Addai]

sami jo wrote...

Wynne never even left camp on my last playthrough, and neither did Morrigan. (DW dex/cun rogue who paired with Zev as a DW dex/cun rogue and were pretty much unstoppable no matter who else I stuck in the party.)  It was a little rough without a healer during my first playthrough, but it is possible to play through with just about any party configuration.  That character killed the high dragon with Zev, Lel and Dog.

Admittedly, on a 1st playthrough where you don't really know what you're doing, a healer is a good backup.

[sylvanaerie]

Emerald Melios wrote...

I don't really see the point of going along with Kolgrim's plan.

1. Reaver specialization is...not that great.
2. His cult did not give off a very friendly impression. They had plenty of opportunities to be civil, and that dragon cult spent every one of them trying to kill me for following up on Brother Genitivi's research. Bunch of *****s.
3. Regardless of mine and my characters feelings about the Chantry, Leliana is my favorite companion and primary love interest. I can't bring myself to betray her by defiling the ashes.

Yea I never unlocked the specialization though I did the blood mage one long before though I reloaded and killed the demon in my playthrough.  (even if I reloaded) I could never bring myself to defile that woman's ashes.  And if you go around the town and see what they did (the human sacrifice etc) you see the cultists weren't exactly the fuzzy bunny type antagonists.  The little boy was the creepiest thing in the village though *shudder*.  They deserved to be wiped out not negotiated with.

[sami jo]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Emerald Melios wrote...

I don't really see the point of going along with Kolgrim's plan.

1. Reaver specialization is...not that great.
2. His cult did not give off a very friendly impression. They had plenty of opportunities to be civil, and that dragon cult spent every one of them trying to kill me for following up on Brother Genitivi's research. Bunch of *****s.
3. Regardless of mine and my characters feelings about the Chantry, Leliana is my favorite companion and primary love interest. I can't bring myself to betray her by defiling the ashes.

Yea I never unlocked the specialization though I did the blood mage one long before though I reloaded and killed the demon in my playthrough.  (even if I reloaded) I could never bring myself to defile that woman's ashes.  And if you go around the town and see what they did (the human sacrifice etc) you see the cultists weren't exactly the fuzzy bunny type antagonists.  The little boy was the creepiest thing in the village though *shudder*.  They deserved to be wiped out not negotiated with.

I did it one playthrough because I was curious about the story, but I reloaded pronto.  It is possible to persuade the demon to give you both bloodmage and leave Connor if your persuade ability is high enough.

[sylvanaerie]

sami jo wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Emerald Melios wrote...

I don't really see the point of going along with Kolgrim's plan.

1. Reaver specialization is...not that great.
2. His cult did not give off a very friendly impression. They had plenty of opportunities to be civil, and that dragon cult spent every one of them trying to kill me for following up on Brother Genitivi's research. Bunch of *****s.
3. Regardless of mine and my characters feelings about the Chantry, Leliana is my favorite companion and primary love interest. I can't bring myself to betray her by defiling the ashes.

Yea I never unlocked the specialization though I did the blood mage one long before though I reloaded and killed the demon in my playthrough.  (even if I reloaded) I could never bring myself to defile that woman's ashes.  And if you go around the town and see what they did (the human sacrifice etc) you see the cultists weren't exactly the fuzzy bunny type antagonists.  The little boy was the creepiest thing in the village though *shudder*.  They deserved to be wiped out not negotiated with.

I did it one playthrough because I was curious about the story, but I reloaded pronto.  It is possible to persuade the demon to give you both bloodmage and leave Connor if your persuade ability is high enough.

heh its even better if you persuade/intimidate her into giving you what you want...then kill her anyway.  Quite more the dramatic confrontation (course this was on a subsequent mage playthrough and I didn't know about the persuade option the first time).

[Emerald Melios]

sylvanaerie wrote...

sami jo wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Emerald Melios wrote...

I don't really see the point of going along with Kolgrim's plan.

1. Reaver specialization is...not that great.
2. His cult did not give off a very friendly impression. They had plenty of opportunities to be civil, and that dragon cult spent every one of them trying to kill me for following up on Brother Genitivi's research. Bunch of *****s.
3. Regardless of mine and my characters feelings about the Chantry, Leliana is my favorite companion and primary love interest. I can't bring myself to betray her by defiling the ashes.

Yea I never unlocked the specialization though I did the blood mage one long before though I reloaded and killed the demon in my playthrough.  (even if I reloaded) I could never bring myself to defile that woman's ashes.  And if you go around the town and see what they did (the human sacrifice etc) you see the cultists weren't exactly the fuzzy bunny type antagonists.  The little boy was the creepiest thing in the village though *shudder*.  They deserved to be wiped out not negotiated with.

I did it one playthrough because I was curious about the story, but I reloaded pronto.  It is possible to persuade the demon to give you both bloodmage and leave Connor if your persuade ability is high enough.

heh its even better if you persuade/intimidate her into giving you what you want...then kill her anyway.  Quite more the dramatic confrontation (course this was on a subsequent mage playthrough and I didn't know about the persuade option the first time).

How much Coercion is necessary to do that?

[sylvanaerie]

@ Emerald
Im not sure. I think my mage had 3 or 4 by then (I bump it up early so I can get more conversation options in the game) and I usually do Redcliffe second in my playthroughs. I doubt it has to be that high but I can't say for sure.

Actually I am on my PC and I have a save for that just prior to confronting her, let me check.  yes her Coersion was at 3

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 25 mars 2010 - 11:31 .

[El-Destructo]

I expected this to be about the AI being stupid and walking over traps instead of disarming them and not flanking. XD



Poor Andraste, all she ever did was be a really swell person and people want to pour nasty stuff on her ashes just because the Chantry is full of blockheads.



Besides, its far more interesting to leave her ashes intact and let Genitivi tell people all about it. While neglecting to mention the big, hungry dragon still nesting nearby. Now -that- is fun times.

[Volourn]

"Scumbag murderer" You mean like Sten (slaughtered an entire family in Lothering who were just trying to help him),"



Yup, Sten is a scumbag murderer. Your point?





" Morrigan (dead Templars seem to riddle the Wilds),"



Areb these the same living templars who make it their mission to murder mages who don't bow down to them. That's not murder, my friend, that's SELF DEFENSE.





"Lelianna (recall how it was she found her way to the Chantry), Shale (Wilhelm rendered into a pile of goo),"



Didn't pay attention to her so don't care.





" oh, and let's not forget the PC who has certainly done more than his/her share of slaughtering by the end of the game."



I murdered nobody. I defended myself when attacked.





" In fact, depending on your origin, you may well have been a murderer before you even became a Warden."



Not me. I was framed. Period.





So, nope, your accusations are weak, and still dion't change the fact that Zev is a scumbag murderer. the fact that Sten is also a scumbag murderer and Lilliana may be one and that Morrigan has killed in SELF DEFENSE doesn't change the fact that Zev is a scumbag murder.



In conclusion, my theory that Zev is a scumbag murderer stands as true.

[Gilsa]

From my perspective, Zevran couldn't take me down even with the crew he brought so I had nothing to lose by bringing him along. He was going to be in a camp full of people eyeing him suspiciously anyway! I do agree on the ratio of warrior companions to the rogue and mage companions. It was a bit on the absurd side, but Awakening evened things out very nicely.

[Efesell]

Volourn wrote...

" Morrigan (dead Templars seem to riddle the Wilds),"

Areb these the same living templars who make it their mission to murder mages who don't bow down to them. That's not murder, my friend, that's SELF DEFENSE.

Ever take Morrigan to the circle tower?

[frostajulie]

Volourn wrote...

"Scumbag murderer" You mean like Sten (slaughtered an entire family in Lothering who were just trying to help him),"

Yup, Sten is a scumbag murderer. Your point?


" Morrigan (dead Templars seem to riddle the Wilds),"

Areb these the same living templars who make it their mission to murder mages who don't bow down to them. That's not murder, my friend, that's SELF DEFENSE.


"Lelianna (recall how it was she found her way to the Chantry), Shale (Wilhelm rendered into a pile of goo),"

Didn't pay attention to her so don't care.


" oh, and let's not forget the PC who has certainly done more than his/her share of slaughtering by the end of the game."

I murdered nobody. I defended myself when attacked.


" In fact, depending on your origin, you may well have been a murderer before you even became a Warden."

Not me. I was framed. Period.


So, nope, your accusations are weak, and still dion't change the fact that Zev is a scumbag murderer. the fact that Sten is also a scumbag murderer and Lilliana may be one and that Morrigan has killed in SELF DEFENSE doesn't change the fact that Zev is a scumbag murder.

In conclusion, my theory that Zev is a scumbag murderer stands as true.

Her point was probably why do you travel with Sten when he is a scumbag murderer, Leilani when she is a scumbag murderer, yet hold an Assassin, (a poor schmoe who is only doing the job he was told to do and is perfectly willing to throw it over for a chance to be free of the Crows when the opportunity presents itself), to a higher standard?

And let me guess, you MUST be Ferelden, after all they also don't seem to know the difference between an assassin and a common murderer.

I do agree that when you are an apostate mage such as Morrigan, killing Templars is only SELF DEFENSE.  As such she is blameless. 

And in conclusion your theory that Zev is a scumbag murderer is an opinion, not a THEORY, and said opinion is based on your rather narrow and limited persepctive, afterall, you seem to be playing from a vary rigid RP standpoint and you have already Killed Zev so you never learned anything about him, meanwhile those of us who did further explore the character know that your OPINION  is not only one among many differing veiwpoints, it is also completly wrong, utterly understandable given the circumstances of your meeting but totally off base.  Were your Opinion a Theory you would then have to test it by playing a game with Zev as a companion and then you would have to discard your theory.

Modifié par frostajulie, 26 mars 2010 - 12:10 .

[Reaverwind]

Addai67 wrote...

Relshar wrote...

If you killed Wynne your going to strugle near the end of the main storyline.

??  I never take Wynne anywhere I don't absolutely have to.

It's a struggle to have her in the party, not to leave her behind. 

There's no struggle when she's dead, hehe. She's unbelievably easy to provoke into commiting suicide during the Broken Circle questline.

[sylvanaerie]

TBH Emerald I don't remember if I went full on intimidating her to get the specialization (by this time I had of course unlocked it many playthrough agos) but I DID promise to let her go and then killed her anyway. She gets all angry and in my face. Was hilarious. I think if you cut a deal (intimidate or not) she leaves immediately after? I could be wrong. Been a while since I played my mage.

[Volourn]

"Her point was probably why do you travel with Sten when he is a scumbag murderer,"

Who says I do? I let him go as I thought, in character, there was more to his story. there wasn't but no longer an option so I told him to get lost even though I wanted rearrest him.

" Leilani when she is a scumbag murderer, yet hold an Assassin, (a poor schmoe who is only doing the job he was told to do and is perfectly willing to throw it over for a chance to be free of the Crows when the opportunity presents itself), to a higher standard?"

Stop with the sob story. Zev is not some 'poor shmoe'. He's murdered countless people for money. Because he was told too was not an excuse. His awful childhood is not an excuse.

You wanna know how many real life criminals have sob stories? Afterall, many abusers were abused when kids. It does NOT excuse their behaviour.

"And let me guess, you MUST be Ferelden, after all they also don't seem to know the difference between an assassin and a common murderer."

Nope. A dwarf.

I never said he was a common murderer. He is a murderer. That's what an assassin does. Common or not, Zev is a scumbag murderer.


"And in conclusion your theory that Zev is a scumbag murderer is an opinion, not a THEORY, and said opinion is based on your rather narrow and limited persepctive, afterall, you seem to be playing from a vary rigid RP standpoint and you have already Killed Zev so you never learned anything about him, meanwhile those of us who did further explore the character know that your OPINION is not only one among many differing veiwpoints, it is also completly wrong, utterly understandable given the circumstances of your meeting but totally off base. Were your Opinion a Theory you would then have to test it by playing a game with Zev as a companion and then you would have to discard your theory."

How pathetic. You assume I only played the game once. In fact, I've played it 3 times including romancing him once. I've read his sob story. Bottom line is he's a scumbag murderer.

He's not poor smhoe. He's a scumbag murderer. Giving him a 'fancy' title of assassin doesn't change that simple fact.

Modifié par Volourn, 26 mars 2010 - 01:16 .

[Volourn]

She was also an enslaved golem. I have a hard time feeling sorry for her enslaver. And, no, it doesn't change anything if she chose become a golem.

[casedawgz]

When OP refers to the religion as an "idiotic monotheistic religion," is he implying that polytheism is better, or that religion is crazy in general? Because he's either dead on or nuts.

[sylvanaerie]

/quote
In conclusion, my theory that Zev is a scumbag murderer stands as true.

Your "theory" however IS just your opinion. Its not "True" as you obviously would have had an opportunity to learn. If you romanced Zevran you learn he isn't just a "Scumbag murderer". Hell I don't romance him but I know if you make him your friend you learn he isn't just a scumbag murderer. What is a given fact as its stated several times in the game is that he is trapped in a situation he never made for himself, a slave with no choice (he says this over and over again in conversations that there were always rules and not having choices with the Crows). its kill or be killed. Obviously you didn't romance him as you claim OR you just didn't pay attention to his dialogues or you would know better.

IE your theory as "truth" is hogwash. its just your opinion.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 26 mars 2010 - 01:43 .