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[ejoslin]

virumor wrote...

sami jo wrote...

There are all kinds of ways to RP a character in this game.  There is nothing wrong with playing as an angry, racist, Chantry-hating dwarf with a g*d-complex.  I would simply argue that killing off Zev then pissing off Lel means that the PC=idiot instead of the rogue companions = idiots. (Please note that I said PC, not the person playing the PC.  I have certainly RPd some pretty reprehensible and stupid characters before)

Well, yes. But what's the point of playing a 'good' or 'evil' character if it all leads to the same outcome anyway?

You get different dialogs. The darker sides of the story have great detail added to them as well.  You're right that you ultimately just end up ending the blight, but the different ways to get there are pretty interesting, I think.

[Feresta]

I have not done so myself, but you can try hardening Leliana before defiling ashes.

[Volourn]

"We all do our share of murder around here..."



Noope. I did no such thing.





"Some of us lop off Loghain's head without giving him a trial."



Killing Loghain is not murder. He tried to kill me countless times. Self defense. He is a continuing threat to the entire kingdom.





"Some of us kill the bandits even after they've surrendered"



Not me.





"Some of us side with the Templars on occasion"



I didn't. bntw, I'm referring to my first character. I played evil characters who did evil things but I, the real person, would never try to justify them though.





Bottom line is Zev is a scumbag myurder. His osb story is not a good enough excuse. he wans't a slave escept to his own cowardice and murderous ways. Every criminal in priosn likely has a sob story. It's not an excuse.



Zev is a scumbag murderer. Period. And, it doesn't matter if he has some good qualities 9which he does); he is stilla s cumbag murderer.



The abuser who hits his wife likely has good qualities too. He's still a scumbag abuser.



Zev is a scumbag murderer. 'Tis a fact. Even when I had a characetr romance him, he was still a scumbag murderer.

[Addai]

virumor wrote...

Two words: lockbash mod.

I never use Zevran myself; I prefer an archer over a melee rogue, or just an extra mage.

Zevran makes a fine archer.  His higher dex and strength make him a better archer out of the gate than Leliana's starting.  Take a hint from the fact that he comes equipped with an Antivan longbow.

Still the deadliest NPC you can pick up, either way.

[Addai]

Volourn wrote...

Zev is a scumbag murderer.

Such depth you bring to the discussion.  And such eloquence. 

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Volourn wrote...

Zev is a scumbag murderer.

Such depth you bring to the discussion.  And such eloquence. 

I'm blown away by his absolute power of persuasion and his debating skills. I'm convinced.  Zevran is a murderer!

Oh wait, I think I had acknowledged that already.  I do use slightly different adjectives to describe Zevran, but I'm not going to argue it either way.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 mars 2010 - 08:53 .

[AnniLau]

Barbarossa wrote...

Morrigan is really reasonable.

No. Just...no.

[ejoslin]

I fed it. My apologies!

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 mars 2010 - 09:05 .

[Genoq]

To Barbarossa: If you "harden" leliana after her personal quest, she won't attack you for defiling the urn. All I got was -10 approval and a "you're a mean bastard"* speech.

Also, you have my thanks for actually role-playing a role-playing game; instead of min-maxing everything like all of the slack-jawed WoWkiddie powergamers that inhabit these boards.



As far as Zev goes, if your character (or you) believes, like most people, that murdering people for money is wrong; than Zevran is in fact a "scumbag murderer". Especially since he clearly likes murdering. Damn, I can't believe I actually agree with Volly about something.





*not an exact quote

[Addai]

Genoq wrote...

To Barbarossa: If you "harden" leliana after her personal quest, she won't attack you for defiling the urn. All I got was -10 approval and a "you're a mean bastard"* speech.
Also, you have my thanks for actually role-playing a role-playing game; instead of min-maxing everything like all of the slack-jawed WoWkiddie powergamers that inhabit these boards.

As far as Zev goes, if your character (or you) believes, like most people, that murdering people for money is wrong; than Zevran is in fact a "scumbag murderer". Especially since he clearly likes murdering. Damn, I can't believe I actually agree with Volly about something.


*not an exact quote

...but you have Leliana in your camp...

....

and you harden her...

....
Never mind, I've seen this thread before. 

Modifié par Addai67, 26 mars 2010 - 10:51 .

[Liquidcz]

Volourn wrote...

Killing Loghain is not murder. He tried to kill me countless times. Self defense. He is a continuing threat to the entire kingdom.

Killing a (at that point) defenseless man who has clearly surrendered to you is as far from self defense as it can possibly get.

[thegreateski]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Genoq wrote...

To Barbarossa: If you "harden" leliana after her personal quest, she won't attack you for defiling the urn. All I got was -10 approval and a "you're a mean bastard"* speech.
Also, you have my thanks for actually role-playing a role-playing game; instead of min-maxing everything like all of the slack-jawed WoWkiddie powergamers that inhabit these boards.

As far as Zev goes, if your character (or you) believes, like most people, that murdering people for money is wrong; than Zevran is in fact a "scumbag murderer". Especially since he clearly likes murdering. Damn, I can't believe I actually agree with Volly about something.


*not an exact quote

Shouldn't you be out doing some form of larp or something?

Only on Thursdays

[Genoq]

mrfoo1 wrote...

Shouldn't you be out doing some form of larp or something?

I'm not sure I understand, are you implying that my desire to 'play a role' in a role-playing game, Instead of, for example, only make choices that maximize my exp and loot, which is what I mean by powergameing, would also entail a desire to strap on a bucket helmet and run off into the woods to play make-believe with the other idiots?

Are you implying that role-playing in a video game specifically designed for role-playing is equaly as stupid as larping? And by extension implying that obsessively performing incredibly repetitive tasks like "level grinding" or
"item farming" is somehow more intellectualy sophisticated?

If so, you're a g**damn moron.


Edit:

thegreateski wrote...

only on thursdays

Saturdays actually, that's when the head nurse lets me out of the nut house.

Modifié par Genoq, 27 mars 2010 - 12:46 .

[Volourn]

"Damn, I can't believe I actually agree with Volly about something."



K. Where are you from? Codex or Obsidian? Only those freaks use that when referring to me.





"Killing a (at that point) defenseless man who has clearly surrendered to you is as far from self defense as it can possibly get."



He tried to murder me countless times, and I had no doubt he would do it again. It's self defense. He tried what? 5 times to murder you? Sorry, but I simply can't keep him alive for the sme reason scumbag murderer Sten has to be executed.



YUes. I'm judge. Jury. Executioner. But, Loghain is as guilty as sin and he is not defenseless. He challenged me to a battle to the deat. I obliged him. Again, he tried to murder me countless times inclduing at his precious Tradesmeet.



Why should I wait for a 'trial' to confirm what I already knw- he tried to murder me, he bretrayed the kingdom, he okays the enslaving and torturing of elves.



Nope. He tried to murder me. That is unforgiveable. Pitiful bandits are different ebcause they only try once and then learn their lesson. He tries MULTIPLE times. LMAO



That's like someone trying to kill you five times, failing then you finally defending yourself and putting ane nd to his attempts at murdering you yet you ar ethe bad guy/ LMAO



Not murder. Self defense.



And, even if it is murder. Still doesn't change the fact that Zev is a scumbag murder. And, no, his pathetic childhood doesn't escuse him from being a scumbag murderer the same way a child abuser is not accused for absuing children just because he was abused as a child.



Zev is a scumbag murderer. This is a fact.

[Sarah1281]

He tried to murder me countless times, and I had no doubt he would do it again. It's self defense. He tried what? 5 times to murder you? Sorry, but I simply can't keep him alive for the sme reason scumbag murderer Sten has to be executed.

His repeated attempts to have you killed (even if you tie at the Landsmeet five minutes prior to this) make it understandalbe, possibly justified, and maybe even the smart thing to do to have him killed although the fact he stopped fighting and surrendered meant that it wasn't self-defense. Self-preservation, on the other hand...quite possibly.

[Genoq]

Volourn wrote...

"Damn, I can't believe I actually agree with Volly about something."

K. Where are you from? Codex or Obsidian? Only those freaks use that when referring to me.

I lurked the Codex between '06 and early '08. After that, nearly every thread became a meme-choked b!tchfest* with no real purpose or insight, kind of like this forum come to think of it...

Either way, Iron Tower seems much better.


*Edit:****licking autocensor

Modifié par Genoq, 27 mars 2010 - 05:02 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Volourn wrote...

"Damn, I can't believe I actually agree with Volly about something."

K. Where are you from? Codex or Obsidian? Only those freaks use that when referring to me.


"Killing a (at that point) defenseless man who has clearly surrendered to you is as far from self defense as it can possibly get."

He tried to murder me countless times, and I had no doubt he would do it again. It's self defense. He tried what? 5 times to murder you? Sorry, but I simply can't keep him alive for the sme reason scumbag murderer Sten has to be executed.

YUes. I'm judge. Jury. Executioner. But, Loghain is as guilty as sin and he is not defenseless. He challenged me to a battle to the deat. I obliged him. Again, he tried to murder me countless times inclduing at his precious Tradesmeet.

Why should I wait for a 'trial' to confirm what I already knw- he tried to murder me, he bretrayed the kingdom, he okays the enslaving and torturing of elves.

Nope. He tried to murder me. That is unforgiveable. Pitiful bandits are different ebcause they only try once and then learn their lesson. He tries MULTIPLE times. LMAO

That's like someone trying to kill you five times, failing then you finally defending yourself and putting ane nd to his attempts at murdering you yet you ar ethe bad guy/ LMAO

Not murder. Self defense.

And, even if it is murder. Still doesn't change the fact that Zev is a scumbag murder. And, no, his pathetic childhood doesn't escuse him from being a scumbag murderer the same way a child abuser is not accused for absuing children just because he was abused as a child.

Zev is a scumbag murderer. This is a fact.

Ahh, good. Since you are so very adamant about not having anything to do with scumbag murderers, I'm guessing you left leliana in Lothering, no? And of course, you kicked Morrigan to the curb at the first opportunity when she filled you in on her own past gems. And of course, you did not go and kill Flemeth and retrieve her grimoire based only on Morrigan's pleas and information. Did you manage to get rid of Oghren as well? You do know he was stripped of status and caste for murder.  And naturally, you left Shale in Honnleath, because taking an unstable golem who killed her former master and hates people would certainly conflict with your strong ethics.

Which leaves you with a party consisting only of Alistair, Wynne, and dog. Well done!

[Addai]

I'm pretty sure Dog has a shady history, too. Tht's the rumor on the street. Just sayin. Can't take too many chances, Volourn!

[Mlai00]

Well... I originally intended to off Zev... but I recruited solely for the purpose of killing him later, when he betrays you during his personal quest. Dang, I'm just gleefully rubbing my hands waiting for that. T'will be fun times for all.

In the meantime, I've been taking him along whenever I know I intend to do something dastardly. I thought he'd be all for it and gain approval. Quite to my surprise, he must have bumped his head somewhere and woke up dreaming he's a paladin; he's been nagging me about everything as if possessed by Wynn's ghost (yes I made her into a ghost).

As for Lel... I do intend to take her along when I get to defiling the ashes... more fun times for all...

I say, isn't RPG success measured by how much stuff you can kill?  I think I'm doing pretty well.

Modifié par Mlai00, 27 mars 2010 - 07:27 .

[Domyk]

Barbarossa wrote...

    I just wanted to say that I feel somewhat cheated by the fact that both of the rogues(Leliana and Zevran) in my storyline have to die.  I could not let Zevran live after trying to kill my character.  Now I am at the urn of sacred ashes and have explored all of my options trying to keep Leliana and doing the right thing of defiling the ashes of andraste and thus destroying part of the idiotic monotheistic religion that the people of Fereldan follow.  Alas, it looks as if I must finish the game without a rogue to unlock chests and disable traps if I want to feel like I have made the story my own.

They had to keep Leliana's appearance short because BIoware was unable to work out a long term voice acting engagement with Leliana's real life counterpart, Corinne Kempa.

Click on "Play showreel" from Leliana's *ahem" Corinne's link, I could listen to that voice all day


<a href="http://www.excellent...tist.php?id=134">
Leliana's voice actress</a>

[Sabriana]

Addai67 wrote...

I'm pretty sure Dog has a shady history, too. Tht's the rumor on the street. Just sayin. Can't take too many chances, Volourn!

I am so disappointed in you, Addai. Have you now joined the "let's make people spit their coffee all over their keyboard" club, perchance? Thank goodness I have a protector over it

[Myusha]

Ironically if I was in your role, I would not ruin the ashes.

With a more powerful chantry you'd have more religious power, and in turn political power.

Plus if the Chantry's religion became wide-spread if you needed to make a speech, you could add maker into the sentence and they'd cheer.

[Red Frostraven]

Chasseresse wrote...

You need to play the game more. You might change your mind on Zev, Leliana, and/or the Urn of Sacred Ashes. I think you are making things more difficult than need be

On my first playthrough, I couldn't trust him either.
But luckily, I decided NOT to destroy the ashes, which could be used for research.

I could see how difficult it would be to get through the game for a paladin-like character who doesn't like the chantry.

BUT defiling the ashes IS a quest for a bunch of religious ****s, too.

[Uunottaja]

Interesting thread. My own first playtrough was with a human noble rogue. The character's journey ended up being seriously hard, since I killed Wynne and refused taking any healing spells on Morrigan. I also sent Leliana away since I didn't really appreciate her opinions. In the end it was pretty much using myself, Zev, Alistair as a tank and Morrigan as Cone of Cold crowd controller. Having only a healing potion or maybe none, it was really quite hard. Also the game mechanics were slightly alien to me at the time still, which didn't help the fights.



Anyways, I still felt major satisfaction after completing the game on my character's terms, being clearly evil, power-hungry and a manipulative person. I did choose to get Alistair to the throne to rule behind the curtains in the end, which was a satisfying end, I guess. Sadly my second character failed to marry Anora since he was a mage, would've been an interesting final.