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[sylvanaerie]

ejoslin wrote...

Mlai00 wrote...

PLUS, with the mages and the Dalish, you can use the persuade check.

LOL but I accept that my chara is a street thug. A cheeky one with a semi-decent heart, but a thug nonetheless. I'll willingly take my lumps in quests when I choose the less-than-perfect answers.

Truthfully, I find it harder to trust Leliana.

I definitely agree with that.
That doesn't mean I lose approval with her, though. Trust has nothing to do with ease in conversation. Lel is very easy to talk to, doesn't mean I trust her. Sten is a clam even after you finish his quest, and I can STILL lose approval with him in conversation(!), but I trust him. Morrigan, my PC just clicks with, and we're all buddy-buddy... but the person that she is, makes it easy to betray her without feeling bad at all.

If she weren't a master manipulator -- if she had not been able to get people to trust her by talking to them, she would not have been a very good bard.  Leliana pretty much goes along with whatever you say.

I find it far easier to get approval with Zevran though.  I don't need to give him gifts, again, if decent (even if not romancing him).  Leliana, to get her approval high enough to open more conversations, I need to give her at least that first chantry gift.  Same with Alistair, actually.  Actually, Zevran is the ONLY companion where I can raise his approval quite high without a gift.  Most companions, to get past +26 and get those conversations opened up, require some bribery.  

Actually I have no problem getting Alistair to max approval and still having a LOT of gifts left over (at least the black runestone and his moms amulet, duncan's shield) but then I DO romance him, it was a tad different when I was on my HMN and was just a bromance.  Zevran is easy to get to like you but I still have to give him gifts to max his approval as he is just a friend, not a romance.

I believe its just an aspect of the romances its easier to get approval (and on my HNF I still had 2 andraste's flowers on my PC) plus one black runestone, a dragon statuette and Alistair's mother's amulet) and Leliana and Alistair were maxed approval

[ejoslin]

Oh, I always have gifts left over, but to get Alistair to +26, I need to use that statuette you find just out of Lothering. And there have been times I haven't romanced Zevran at first, and his approval still jumped very high.

[mousestalker]

Mlai00 wrote...

PLUS, with the mages and the Dalish, you can use the persuade check.

LOL but I accept that my chara is a street thug. A cheeky one with a semi-decent heart, but a thug nonetheless. I'll willingly take my lumps in quests when I choose the less-than-perfect answers.

Truthfully, I find it harder to trust Leliana.

I definitely agree with that.
That doesn't mean I lose approval with her, though. Trust has nothing to do with ease in conversation. Lel is very easy to talk to, doesn't mean I trust her. Sten is a clam even after you finish his quest, and I can STILL lose approval with him in conversation(!), but I trust him. Morrigan, my PC just clicks with, and we're all buddy-buddy... but the person that she is, makes it easy to betray her without feeling bad at all.

It sounds as though you are actually roleplaying though. That is, you have a character who has a certain world view, you play that character according to that world view and when things happen, you accept the consequences. If that's what you are about, I applaud you, FWIW.

I've killed Zevran. I've killed Wynne. At this point I've done almost every option possible in DA with the companions. If you want to marry Anora, kill Alistair, do the Dark ritual and let whatsisface live, then it's your game. What I objected to earlier is certain forumites whinging about the consequences of their choices. You play the game, you make decisions and if you don't like how tholse decisions play out, then you mod the game for a different result.

[HaloKT]

Mlai00 wrote...

Unless I missed a story branch, annuling the circle doesn't mean you go and kill a lot of mages, acting as judge jury executioner. It means you tell the Templars:
"These mages need to be held in captivity and carefully interrogated (yes, will involve torture) by the Chantry central authorities" ==> A very sensible move.
Versus:
"I've cleared the circle of all evil mages. You Templar guys can stand down from code red now. Irving's got it covered. Everything's back to normal." ==> You have no way of knowing that, everything is not back to normal, Irving did not have it covered even when the circle was working, and it's a naive boneheaded conclusion on your part.
Also, executing suspected diabolists to protect entire villages, are different from assassinating civilians for money.

Well, I disagree. When you're held captive later on int he game, you see what happens during interrogations. You've heard of stories about templars hunting down apostates as well, with them not granting them a quick deth, but torturing them to death. Invoking the Right of Annulment basically means you're killing every Mage there is still left in the Circle. And not just a quick execution. We're talking Spanish Inquisition like killing, with all Mages being tortured until they either confess anything they're accused of (and then being executed in a particularly gruesome manner) or if they don't confess, they'll just be tortured for a few weeks until they die. I can't see how this is not evil.

As opposed to clearing out the tower and then making sure the Circle mages have a say in who gets accused of being a maleficar. If you return to Greagoir later on, he'll say that they've checked the tower and found that it is actually clean now, commending you on how well you've handled the situation.

[Sabriana]

Role-playing and accepting the consequences is what this is all about. Pre-conceived notions, and complaining about how those choices play out is not what RPing is all about. I tried varieties too, but there are things that I cannot bring myself to make my PC do.

I can't say no to Dagna. I haven't played a dwarf yet, but none of my others, including the lone male could deny her

I can't kill the elves. I tried, but the only time I came close to have my PC do it, Zevran talked her out of it.

I can't deliberately kill any companion, not even Wynne (although she came very, very close).

Ah well. That's okay though, because I don't wish to play in a way that I dislike. It's all about RPing, and accepting the consequences of choices - because those were player choices, nothing that the game forced on you.

[Red Frostraven]

Sabriana wrote...

Have you played the game, Volourn? Obviously not.
Morrigan: No, the templars didn't try to kill her or Flemeth. They lured them into the wilds with Morrigan as bait.
Leliana: A murderer, a thief, a spy, and a liar, who freely chose her life of murder and mayhem
Zevran: A SLAVE who was purchased for 3 sovereigns at the age of 7. He tries to shake off his MASTERS at the earliest opportunity. Disobedience means death, especially for a SLAVE.
Sten: A mass-murderer who slew an entire family. An entire unarmed family who only tried to help him.
Capiche?

Leliana: A murderer, a thief, a spy and a liar. Who doesn't betray you or try to kill you even once, except if you defile the ashes.
By liar, you mean the fact that she ONCE didn't tell you the truth about why she left Orlais because she was betrayed by her lover and falsely accused of treason?
She is at the least honest about it when you ASK her about her past, and she is doing her best to NOT betray you.
She is repenting her crimes if she is allowed to go unchecked.

Zevran: An assassin, who tries to kill you, comes with you because it's convenient for him if you're going to let him live after his abyssmal failure, who was originally scripted to have two attempts at your life before joining you, and whom will betray your trust unless you butter him up.
To quote the wiki:
Zevran explains that he had become genuinely smitten with Rinna in a way that directly conflicted with his assassin training. But as the trio planned their attack, Taliesen learned that Rinna had accepted a bribe from their mark and was planning to betray them. Zevran watched Taliesen kill the
traitor, callously mocking her pleas of innocence and dying
declarations of her love for him, and the two men carried out the
mission on their own. Only after their target was dead did they
discover the real source of their victim's information, which in turn
proved Rinna had been telling the truth. Heartbroken and disgusted by
his actions, Zevran returned to the Crows and made a bid for what many
believed was a suicide mission: kill any remaining grey wardens in Ferelden.
...
... I don't find his reasons for wanting to commit suicide all that noble, he might just as well have gone on a mission to have sex with every prositute and die from whatever diseases he catches -- just as noble a cause as dying killing every grey warden.
He is repEATING his crimes if he is allowed to go unchecked.

Sten: A mass murderer who slew an entire family in affection for a possession that defined his existance as a warrior, who doesn't betray you, never lies, and who won't turn his back against you at any approval rate.
He is repenting his crimes if he is allowed to go unchecked.

Morrigan: I never trusted her to not betray my character...

[sylvanaerie]

Sabriana wrote...

Role-playing and accepting the consequences is what this is all about. Pre-conceived notions, and complaining about how those choices play out is not what RPing is all about. I tried varieties too, but there are things that I cannot bring myself to make my PC do.
I can't say no to Dagna. I haven't played a dwarf yet, but none of my others, including the lone male could deny her
I can't kill the elves. I tried, but the only time I came close to have my PC do it, Zevran talked her out of it.
I can't deliberately kill any companion, not even Wynne (although she came very, very close).
Ah well. That's okay though, because I don't wish to play in a way that I dislike. It's all about RPing, and accepting the consequences of choices - because those were player choices, nothing that the game forced on you.

Awww who can say no to Dagna...shes cuter than a box of puppies.  yea there are some things I WON"T do in the game though I have tried and had to reload cause I hated myself.  Killing Connor while a powerful scene when his mom kills him made me feel awful (though I did sacrifice Isolde once), denying Dagna, I can't kill any of my companions (the one time I almost killed Wynne in the tower I had to reload) and I offed Zevran instead of talking to him and felt absolutely wretched (cause I knew why he did what he did) and had to reload.  I love all the companions and a lot of the NPC's.  I even abandoned Redcliffe once just to see what happened and felt like a complete ass though I justified it as "the Blight takes precedence" but it wasn't a playthrough it was just a "Try it and see thing".  I always save the werewolves AND the elves, I never defile the ashes.  Some playthroughs I may never see but I don't feel I am missing anything because when i play I want to have fun and those things don't mesh well with my personality.

[Red Frostraven]

Sabriana wrote...

Role-playing and accepting the consequences is what this is all about. Pre-conceived notions, and complaining about how those choices play out is not what RPing is all about. I tried varieties too, but there are things that I cannot bring myself to make my PC do.
I can't say no to Dagna. I haven't played a dwarf yet, but none of my others, including the lone male could deny her
I can't kill the elves. I tried, but the only time I came close to have my PC do it, Zevran talked her out of it.
I can't deliberately kill any companion, not even Wynne (although she came very, very close).
Ah well. That's okay though, because I don't wish to play in a way that I dislike. It's all about RPing, and accepting the consequences of choices - because those were player choices, nothing that the game forced on you.

I couldn't say no to Dagna.
I couldn't kill the elves, even when I wanted to, nor the werewolves -- Zathrian, on the other hand...
Actually, I killed the wolves once for the acchievement, but I felt really bad about it -- especially after Zathrian's gloating afterwards... but... I didn't have any save because I was running "hardcore" (one save, one life -- no reloads on death), so I continued because the autosave was overwritten.

I couldn't kill any companion, not even Morrigan -- but she only lives because she never gave me any reason to.

I couldn't defile the ashes because Leliana is too precious ... but I will, in my next and pure evil walkthrough... where I believe I'll be stuck with morrigan, shale, sten and... um... Alistair lol... and dog

Modifié par Red Frostraven, 27 mars 2010 - 03:17 .

[sylvanaerie]

Red Frostraven wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Role-playing and accepting the consequences is what this is all about. Pre-conceived notions, and complaining about how those choices play out is not what RPing is all about. I tried varieties too, but there are things that I cannot bring myself to make my PC do.
I can't say no to Dagna. I haven't played a dwarf yet, but none of my others, including the lone male could deny her
I can't kill the elves. I tried, but the only time I came close to have my PC do it, Zevran talked her out of it.
I can't deliberately kill any companion, not even Wynne (although she came very, very close).
Ah well. That's okay though, because I don't wish to play in a way that I dislike. It's all about RPing, and accepting the consequences of choices - because those were player choices, nothing that the game forced on you.

I couldn't say no to Dagna.
I couldn't kill the elves, even when I wanted to, nor the werewolves -- Zathrian, on the other hand...
Actually, I killed the wolves once for the acchievement, but I felt really bad about it -- especially after Zathrian's gloating afterwards... but... I didn't have any save because I was running "hardcore" (one save, one life -- no reloads on death), so I continued because the autosave was overwritten.

I couldn't kill any companion, not even Morrigan -- but she only lives because she never gave me any reason to.

I couldn't defile the ashes because Leliana is too precious ... but I will, in my next and pure evil walkthrough... where I believe I'll be stuck with morrigan, shale, sten and... um... Alistair lol... and dog

He gloats?  Well he is kinda smug when you find him in the ruins.  Kinda glad i always force him to end it now.

[Mlai00]

@ HaloKT:

The USA uses smart missiles to kill terrorists -- it's not conspiracy theory it's in the newspapers all the time. Most of the time, other ppl are in the same house. Could be terrorist buddies, could be their families, could be kids. I'm not condemning/condoning those strikes, just saying that it's the same thing. So if torture is how Fereldan conducts its national security, then it's not my PC's fault.

As for the "Greagoir later on"... well, you're using metagame knowledge to predict that. I've made the tough choices in both WK and Honnleath, so I'm making it again in the tower.



@ Sabriana:

Ah, I almost couldn't kill the elves. But Morri talked me into it, LOL. I didn't pick up Zev until later (you can imagine what that did to Mr. Mommy-Gloves' approve-o'-meter, wow did he *pounce* on that topic).

I'm not "deliberately killing" any companion -- they have to make the first blow. As for Wynne... she wasn't a companion yet, so there, LOL!

[Sabriana]

That's true Sylvanaerie, I also don't feel as if I'm missing something. I had a glitch where my mage walked into Connor's room, and the game treated it as if she walked into Eamon's room. It ended up with Isolde killing Connor, and it was heart-breaking. I thought about re-loading, but I decided to let it stand as, well, fate, more or less (and also because I never planned on that scenario and therefore hadn't saved right beforehand).

I did the ashes, but reloaded. Yes, yes, I did it solely to unlock the 'reaper'. Oh my, I cheated on myself with my single player game, in my house, on my computer, purchased with my money. Bad, bad Sabriana.

I would have done the same for the blood mage, but surprisingly, my PC was able to intimidate the demon into spilling the secret and still leave Connor alonge in perpetuity. This game is full of surprises.

I too like/love most of my companions, and even the one I don't like, I can't be mean to or even kill her. Leliana stays behind most, but I simply have no use for a second rogue. My PC always takes Zevran with her, for obvious reasons.

I have made bad choices, but I've lived with the consequences. I once decided not to harden Alistair, and it was a heart-breaking play-through. I made other choices that left me angry or sad. But I never blamed the game creator for my follies.

@ Mlai00
Morrigan talks the PC into it?
I will have to try that one just to hear that. With re-load of course. I like elves. I also have this 'kid' thing, in where I can't kill them, and there are too many elf-kids running around. I also like Athras, Deygan, the merchant, and Lanaya (sp?). I know, I'm a wuss, lol.

Modifié par Sabriana, 27 mars 2010 - 03:31 .

[sylvanaerie]

Sabriana wrote...

That's true Sylvanaerie, I also don't feel as if I'm missing something. I had a glitch where my mage walked into Connor's room, and the game treated it as if she walked into Eamon's room. It ended up with Isolde killing Connor, and it was heart-breaking. I thought about re-loading, but I decided to let it stand as, well, fate, more or less (and also because I never planned on that scenario and therefore hadn't saved right beforehand).
I did the ashes, but reloaded. Yes, yes, I did it solely to unlock the 'reaper'. Oh my, I cheated on myself with my single player game, in my house, on my computer, purchased with my money. Bad, bad Sabriana.
I would have done the same for the blood mage, but surprisingly, my PC was able to intimidate the demon into spilling the secret and still leave Connor alonge in perpetuity. This game is full of surprises.
I too like/love most of my companions, and even the one I don't like, I can't be mean to or even kill her. Leliana stays behind most, but I simply have no use for a second rogue. My PC always takes Zevran with her, for obvious reasons.
I have made bad choices, but I've lived with the consequences. I once decided not to harden Alistair, and it was a heart-breaking play-through. I made other choices that left me angry or sad. But I never blamed the game creator for my follies.

Sabriana where did you get that hairstyle for your avatar (I got pineappletrees mod but it just gave me colors/eyes no new styles even the Morrigan one didn't take for some reason).  Is that from Nexus?

[Sabriana]

Here you go, Sylvanaerie:

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

What made me laugh is that quite a lot of the styles come right out of FallOut 3. Together with Pineappletree's tints, they make for some interesting styles, though.

[Mlai00]

I once decided not to harden Alistair, and it was a heart-breaking play-through.

Oh man, I'm so glad that was an unspoiled surprise for me, back then. He was my HNM's most faithful bro, I had high hopes for him, and for him to just self-destruct like that right in front of all the who's-who of Fereldan...

Morrigan talks the PC into it?  I will have
to try that one just to hear that.

It's not a scripted dialogue.  While conflicted what to do about the werewolves, I talked with everyone just to see if they have any Brecilian-specific pointers.  Morri just happened to give her whole "power is everything" schpiel, and ending with the masterful "as a Warden surely you know this."

I was like "Day-um she's right, what was I thinking?!"

I didn't have the heart not to allow Morrigan to manipulate me that one time, it was all so perfect.

Modifié par Mlai00, 27 mars 2010 - 03:45 .

[sylvanaerie]

Sabriana wrote...

Here you go, Sylvanaerie:

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php

What made me laugh is that quite a lot of the styles come right out of FallOut 3. Together with Pineappletree's tints, they make for some interesting styles, though.

Thanks will try to upload those if I can figure out how.  I'm not very good with that kind of thing (my daughter's friend did the mods on my PC for me).  Maybe i will get her to try it later.

[Volourn]

Have you played the game, Volourn? Obviously not.



"Morrigan: No, the templars didn't try to kill her or Flemeth. They lured them into the wilds with Morrigan as bait."



Nice try, but templars by defintion want to wipe out and destory all mages like Morirgan. It's defending yourself when a group has made it clear they will do everything to kill you. Yeha, they lure them alright because they trap their enemies. Seems smart to do to defned yourself.





"Leliana: A murderer, a thief, a spy, and a liar, who freely chose her life of murder and mayhem"



A FORMER murderer, thief, spy, and liar. Plus, my character did not do this because I didn't grill her like it was an interrogation. She offered to help on my mission to stop the Blight and seemed sincenre.. and, she was. btw, The fact that she USED to be a scumbag murderer doesn't change the fact that Zev *is* a scumbag murderer.



"Zevran: A SLAVE who was purchased for 3 sovereigns at the age of 7. He tries to shake off his MASTERS at the earliest opportunity. Disobedience means death, especially for a SLAVE."



He wasn't a slave anymore. He also enjoyed murdering people. he LAUGHED as his former girlfriend died proclaiming her love for him as he taunted her. That's sickening,. I don't care abotu his sob story as all scumbag murderers and cri ninals have a sob story. noen xcuse for being a scumbag murderer. Zev lacks principles. he is the veryd efintion of a remoreseless scumbag murdererer who will betray you in a heartbeat 9and he does in game!). Only the other scumbag murderer does it so blatantly (Sten). How does this make him not as sucmbag murderer?





"Sten: A mass-murderer who slew an entire family. An entire unarmed family who only tried to help him."



Who said Sten wans't a scumbag murderer? UI surely didn't. However, Sten being a scumbag murderer doesn't change the fact that Zev is a scumbag murder.



Capiche?

[ejoslin]

Volurn, ummm, you have really bad reading comprehension. Or you esc through a LOT of dialog. Because you apparently missed the last half of the conversation about Zevran's final mission. Or maybe you're just a MAJOR troll. I actually suspect all three.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 mars 2010 - 04:11 .

[Reaverwind]

Mlai00 wrote...

-- There are perfectly logical non-evil reasons to end the major quests in a way he disapproves of. For example, he disapproves of you annuling the mage tower. But his experiences and my PC's, differ. He sees it as an opportunity for the mages to earn redemption. My PC has gone through Warden's Keep, and Honnleath, and Redcliffe Village... she knows that in a real world, the risk is too great. If you read all the codex entries you can glean from the tower, you know that the Fereldan Circle was suffering from an irrevocable schism. It's not just Uldred and a few minions; blood mages have infested its core.

Bioware dropped the ball imo, by making this questline a little too black & white. There should have been repercussions for resolving the Broken Circle questline either way. Even my mage characters found Irving's journal entry profoundly disturbing - revealing that the master manipulator himself had been played.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 27 mars 2010 - 04:10 .

[Sabriana]

Oh, he's a troll, Ejoslin. A troll and a flame-baiter right from the RPG-Codex. That's why I usually ignore him, he's just not worth it. You should've heard them dissing DA:O when the game wasn't even out yet. Major ROFL's, I had a lot of fun reading those silly posts.

I agree with you, Reaverwind. That's why I never go to the circle, I just can't justify it RP-wise. So, due to the demon patiently waiting for the PC to return from her trip - an after unleashing waves of destruction before she even set foot into Redcliffe, Isolde is allowed to sacrifice herself and die a hero to the people she almost single-handedly wiped out.

[ejoslin]

I did have a friend warn me about feeding it before -- *sigh* I love trolls. There's a mean streak in me that loves laughing at people; I suppose it's from my former life as a troll myself. Some are better than others, though.  That one I rate about a 3 of 10.  Its posts aren't good enough to read through OR make people angry.

And I agree so much about the broken circle quest. I can't take the time to go to the circle either -- usually it's Isolde who dies, but sometimes Connor. What happened to the village is just too horrible to take any more chances.

Edit: Do I ever NOT?

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 mars 2010 - 04:23 .

[HaloKT]

Mlai00 wrote...

@ HaloKT:
The USA uses smart missiles to kill terrorists -- it's not conspiracy theory it's in the newspapers all the time. Most of the time, other ppl are in the same house. Could be terrorist buddies, could be their families, could be kids. I'm not condemning/condoning those strikes, just saying that it's the same thing. So if torture is how Fereldan conducts its national security, then it's not my PC's fault.
As for the "Greagoir later on"... well, you're using metagame knowledge to predict that. I've made the tough choices in both WK and Honnleath, so I'm making it again in the tower.

It's just an analogy. I should've gone with the Inquisition from the start I guess, because that's around the level of evil we're talking about here. And no, the USA doesn't do this today, but they did exactly do that in Vietnam. And it didn't go quite well with the public as far as I remember history classes. Which seems to be the reason why they're highlighting their intelligent weapon systems so much these days.

And as far as the PC is concerned. You know there is an Inquisition going on. You know that templars have a reputation for not being the nicest bunch of people in Ferelden. It's pretty much common sense in Ferelden that templars lov eto hunt mages and like the torture part of their work a slight bit too much at times. Saying "but I only handed them over to the templars, I didn't torture them, so I cannot be evil!" is a rather lame excuse. You're sending an unspecified number of possibly innocent people off to their (extremely painful and gruesome) deaths nevertheless. Just because you didn't do the torturing yourself does not make you a good person.
It's an act of evil, even if it's supposed to be for the greater good. I couldn't live with this on my conscience, but YMMV obviously.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Volourn wrote...

I had no reason to know Leilina was an assassin, and since I didn't talk with her in depth never found out 9first time through).

And I'm sure once you found out, you told her to get the **** out of your camp, naturally. Especially how she enjoyed "the game".

Killing in self defense isn not murder.Templars try to kill her but she kills them first = not murder.

What about the Chasind men that get lured to her lair, by her and Flemeth? She mentions this.

Flemeth had evil intentions towards a friend as she planned to kill her and take her place. I had no reason to NOT trust Morrigan.And,. Flemeth never denies her intentions whe you confront her.

Nor does she confirm them, either. You trust Morrigan? Take her word at face value? How very...trusting of you. Especially on the word of a scumbag murderer.

See.. I musta missed that since I didn't tlak in depth with him either and from I gather he got kicked out because he became a drunk and acted the tool. The dwarf who hated him just badmouthed him for being a punk. *shrug*

Yep, you missed it. He killed a young dwarf in a proving after he was told to desist and had won the match. Another scumbag murderer.

'Killed her former MASTER'. A slave rising up against their slaver is NOT a murderer.

There are many who would disagree, especially since the "slave" status is questionable, Shale being an object specifically designed to obey commands. And Shale herself, when she was a dwarf, volunteered to become a golem, knowing what it meant. A slave? No.

Aklso, it should be noted, that you can anme all the bad deeds committed by the otehr characters IN THE PAST, it still doesn't chnage the fact that Zev *is* a scumbag murderer.

The past? Funny...said characters seem to be doing very similar things in the present as well. But of course, I am certain you kick them to the curb. Unless of course, you realize that Zevran's assassin career is also in the past once he joins you. And forget about the murdering your party does in the present.

Bottom line is Zev is a scumbag murderer, and the sins of the tohers doesn't change the fact that Zev is a scumbag murderer.

Capiche?

Bottom line: Everyone in your party does their fair share of murder and lying. Which, since you have such ironclad ethics, means your end of game party is quite small.

[sylvanaerie]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Volourn wrote...

I had no reason to know Leilina was an assassin, and since I didn't talk with her in depth never found out 9first time through).

And I'm sure once you found out, you told her to get the **** out of your camp, naturally. Especially how she enjoyed "the game".

Killing in self defense isn not murder.Templars try to kill her but she kills them first = not murder.

What about the Chasind men that get lured to her lair, by her and Flemeth? She mentions this.

Flemeth had evil intentions towards a friend as she planned to kill her and take her place. I had no reason to NOT trust Morrigan.And,. Flemeth never denies her intentions whe you confront her.

Nor does she confirm them, either. You trust Morrigan? Take her word at face value? How very...trusting of you. Especially on the word of a scumbag murderer.

See.. I musta missed that since I didn't tlak in depth with him either and from I gather he got kicked out because he became a drunk and acted the tool. The dwarf who hated him just badmouthed him for being a punk. *shrug*

Yep, you missed it. He killed a young dwarf in a proving after he was told to desist and had won the match. Another scumbag murderer.

'Killed her former MASTER'. A slave rising up against their slaver is NOT a murderer.

There are many who would disagree, especially since the "slave" status is questionable, Shale being an object specifically designed to obey commands. And Shale herself, when she was a dwarf, volunteered to become a golem, knowing what it meant. A slave? No.

Aklso, it should be noted, that you can anme all the bad deeds committed by the otehr characters IN THE PAST, it still doesn't chnage the fact that Zev *is* a scumbag murderer.

The past? Funny...said characters seem to be doing very similar things in the present as well. But of course, I am certain you kick them to the curb. Unless of course, you realize that Zevran's assassin career is also in the past once he joins you. And forget about the murdering your party does in the present.

Bottom line is Zev is a scumbag murderer, and the sins of the tohers doesn't change the fact that Zev is a scumbag murderer.

Capiche?

Bottom line: Everyone in your party does their fair share of murder and lying. Which, since you have such ironclad ethics, means your end of game party is quite small.

yep, just a boy and his Dog I think...cause Alistair is a scumbag murderer cause he wants Loghain dead and Loghain can't be recruited cause hes a scumbag murderer cause he hired a scumbag murderer to kill him so he dies.  Lets see anyone left aside from Dog?  And of course you commit suicide cause you kill people right and left in the game so that makes you a scumbag murderer too.  So its Dog vs the Archdemon...epic fight I would think...either that or a painfully short one.

Don't make me laugh. 

Capiche?

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 27 mars 2010 - 05:17 .

[Daewan]

@Volourn Why don't you just admit you killed Zevran because you didn't want to accidentally fall into his tent and touch his naughty bits?

[ejoslin]

Daewan wrote...

@Volourn Why don't you just admit you killed Zevran because you didn't want to accidentally fall into his tent and touch his naughty bits?

That is NEVER an accident!   Hahahaha, it falls under more, "Even though I SAID we could have sex I didn't expect them to actually have a CUT SCENE!  Well, maybe I did, but I didn't expect it to be MY warden!  Well, maybe I did, but I didn't expect it to be so HOT!  Well, NO, wait! I didn't find it hot!  HOW DID I GET INTO THAT TENT! Pervy elf!"