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[fuelstaind]

I was browsing the Dragon Age Wiki the other day and was looking at the DLC page when I saw these...

Bulwark of the True King
Released: 16th March 2010 for Alienware giveaway

Pearl of the Anointed
Released: 19th March 2010 for amazon.de and play.com pre-orders

Bregan's Bow
Released: 19th March 2010 for gamestop.de and game.co.uk pre-orders

Now, I have been told that the Bulwark of the True King is not a pre-order, but a giveaway item from Alienware, but only to PC users of the game... Why? I mean, was there any DLC that was only available for the consoles and not the PC?

Also, in my search of Bioware DLC, I came across this tidbit of info for Mass Effect 2...

http://social.biowar...index/1706543/1

This is a post from a Bioware moderator that says that the M-29 Incisor Sniper Rifle will be available to the masses on the Cerberus Network in the near future. Well, I certainly hope so seeing as how many people posted on another well known game forum site saying that they were able to get it for the console by contacting the EA Help Desk and getting codes. Also in that topic, someone asked about the Collector armor and rifle and if it would be available for download as well. The moderator said no. Why not. Lots of people were able to download all the DLC for ME2 when they had the mishap on the Marketplace where it was able to be purchased for free. I know that I was able to get the Collector stuff, but I missed out on the Inferno Armor and the Incisor. And what about people who didn't know enough about the game to make the decesion to buy the Collector's Edition before you couldn't get it anymore.

Now I am all for pre-order items, they give you an incentive to buy the game before it's come out. But all the different pre-order items from the different retailers makes it hard to pick which one you want. And it appears that some of those Dragon Age items are not even available in the U.S. What gives? I would really like for the developers to give us the chance to buy these items. I, for one, would gladly pay 80 or maybe even 160 MS points for these. Same goes for some of the stuff in ME2. And if you look on eBay for some of these codes... My god, some people are asking $20 for for the Dragon Age Fire Band or $25 for the Lion's Paw Boots. There could be a lot of extra money that could go to Bioware or EA if they released this stuff on the Marketplace. Why shouldn't people get the option to get this extra stuff if they are willing to pay a little something for it? I think 6 months or so would be long enough to let the people have their exclusive stuff before it's given to the general public.

[AshedMan]

They are all nice stuff but not at all necessary to advance in the games.  You should think of them more as bonuses and not necessities.  If your retailer or mode of purchase happens to come with some of the goodies then more power to you, but you shouldn't lose sleep over not having every last promotional toy. 

*edit*  If Bioware started to sell the items for MS points or Bioware points then it would take away the coolness factor for the people that received them by preordering or going through a select retailer, etc.  They may change their minds now that EA owns them and go with your plan so as to extract every last cent from their customers, but I prefer the way it is now. 

Modifié par AshedMan, 25 mars 2010 - 11:07 .

[Loerwyn]

AshedMan wrote...

They are all nice stuff but not at all necessary to advance in the games.  You should think of them more as bonuses and not necessities.  If your retailer or mode of purchase happens to come with some of the goodies then more power to you, but you shouldn't lose sleep over not having every last promotional toy. 

*edit*  If Bioware started to sell the items for MS points or Bioware points then it would take away the coolness factor for the people that received them by preordering or going through a select retailer, etc.  They may change their minds now that EA owns them and go with your plan so as to extract every last cent from their customers, but I prefer the way it is now. 

This is what I was going to say.
Aside from the fact that all the DLC armor sets are ugly and not practical (N7 allows customisation), they're bonus ones for a reason - or at least limited for a reason. If you don't fulfil the requirements to get the item (whether it's buying the more expensive collector's edition, pre-ordering the game or whatever) then I, personally, feel you're not entitled to the item.
I own the DDE of Mass Effect 2, therefore I'm a minority in that I have the Incisor rifle. I'm a little peeved (not at nerdrage levels, more annoyance level) that BioWare are giving it out on the Cerberus Network in the future. All I have to show for my edition is an extra code or two in Steam (only says Mass Effect 2; not ME2 DDE), 2 PDFs, some MP3s and some video files along with the CE Collector's Rifle/Armor.
I likened the situation, at some point, to an offer in a shop. You don't feel entitled to an offer once it's expired (say buy one get one free) in a shop, so why do you feel entitled to a bit of pre-order DLC in a game? The requirements of the offer are that (in the sense of the store) you can claim a free product if you purchase the qualifying one within the timeframe of the offer. The requirements for the DLC are that you register interest or purchase the game before the date of release with a qualifying seller.

[fuelstaind]

The situation that you mentioned above is well put, but I put it to you like this. Once the buy one, get one free offer is expired, can I not still get the second item even if I am willing to pay for it? And I realize that they are not necessary to advance in the game, but I AM one of those dorks that likes to have all the items I can get in the game. Also, I don't feel the coolness factor is diminished by the fact that you didn't have to buy the item to begin with. And since neither of these games are co-op, who is to know what items you have or don't have.

Another point is that some people, myself included, may not have known a lot about Dragon Age and wanted to see or read more before making a decision. And by the time I learned enough about it that I decided that I wanted to buy the CE, it was no longer available for pre-order at my favorite retailer. So the problem was that while I may be able to find someone still pre-ordering the CE, I would not be supporting my retailer. Should I not be allowed access to DLC because of my loyalty? Or should I be expected to buy multiple copies, not that I could afford them, just to get what I want?

[Rubbish Hero]

This "Cerberus Network" and "bioware points" and pre-order item and all this logging in "you have been disconnected from EA Servers" have been nothing but trouble after trouble. I'd rather just get expansion packs than little dribbles content, sadly, console users are more than happy to be charged through the nose and crap like the over priced Modern Warfare stimulus crap-pack so this is becoming a dying thing, I wouldn't be surprised if Awakening is the last expansion pack we see. When you can make (possibly) more money just re-doing models with shades than adding a crap load of content, why bother? Gaming sucks a lot now, especially if you are a pc gamer, constantly getting booted in the teeth.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 26 mars 2010 - 02:55 .

[Loerwyn]

fuelstaind wrote...
The situation that you mentioned above is well put, but I put it to you like this. Once the buy one, get one free offer is expired, can I not still get the second item even if I am willing to pay for it?

Yes, but that's because my example is terrible. If the stock is limited (e.g. codes for armor, freebies in your cereal) then you only have a small amount of time to get them, and if you don't get them within that time then you miss out. Alright, better example. If a store sells a game you want for £30, and then drops it to £15 for a few days the week before payday, and then raise the price again before you get paid - do you complain that you couldn't buy it at that price? No, you wouldn't.

And I realize that they are not necessary to advance in the game, but I AM one of those dorks that likes to have all the items I can get in the game. Also, I don't feel the coolness factor is diminished by the fact that you didn't have to buy the item to begin with. And since neither of these games are co-op, who is to know what items you have or don't have.

I like to have everything too, but I realise this isn't always possible. I don't have access to the Terminus armor, partly because I'm not willing to pay through the nose for it. I chose my retailer (Steam) and as such I got the Inferno armor. It's not a "coolness factor" situation at all; unless you like to screenshot your registered promotions.

Another point is that some people, myself included, may not have known a lot about Dragon Age and wanted to see or read more before making a decision. And by the time I learned enough about it that I decided that I wanted to buy the CE, it was no longer available for pre-order at my favorite retailer. So the problem was that while I may be able to find someone still pre-ordering the CE, I would not be supporting my retailer. Should I not be allowed access to DLC because of my loyalty? Or should I be expected to buy multiple copies, not that I could afford them, just to get what I want?

That isn't the fault of the developer/publisher at all. The pre-order items are there to serve as an incentive to;
a) buy the game at release
pay full price
c) support that retailer.
If you don't wish to pre-order the game (or are too late to do so), then generally you don't qualify. Why? They're "pre-order" items for a reason.