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[errant_knight]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

And one more time, this time not telling him it will produce an old-god baby, and he accepted. I usually don't tell him that (I tell him to ask Morrigan himself). So, apparently, the old-god thing does bother him enough that he would be willing to die rather than risk it. But I know I have told him that before and he accepted. This is bizarre.

Does he end up asking Morrigan himself? Does she say anything? I always tell him that it's going to produce a baby and deal with his upset reaction. He has to know what he's getting into -- I can't justify keeping a secret of this kind of scale from him without it impacting the relationship long term (trust issues, etc).

The screenshots of his apprehensive expression is exactly what makes me not want to do it at all. It's pretty much the same expression my husband had when I told him I wanted to start a family. (Don't get me wrong, he adores our kid.) Alistair is dealing with fathering a potential abomination with the woman he hates. Yeaaaah.  No pressure, right? =p

I think the only thing he asks (if you don't say the godchild thing but tell him there will be a baby) is if Morrigan plans to use this against Ferelden (I guess in a bastard heir to the throne kind of thing?) and she assures him (and I believe her on this) that she will not. Then he agrees.

He says something pretty similar if you tell him the whole truth. His main concern is that the child will somehow be used against Fereldan, specifically in a bid for the throne. He accepts Morrigan's word that it won't be.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...

Plus, if you're in love with her the idea of laying with her doesn't repulse you like it does with poor alistair (lol at those pics).

Yes, not to mention his grimace when Morrigan is slithering over to him in the "love" scene.  Poor guy looks like the mouse trapped under the cat's paw.  LOL

I like Morrigan, BTW.  But she's laying it on a little thick in that scene considering it's Alistair (or Loghain).  I'm sure it's much more apt if she's approaching the male PC in a relationship with her.

[Kryyptehk]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Plus, if you're in love with her the idea of laying with her doesn't repulse you like it does with poor alistair (lol at those pics).

Yes, not to mention his grimace when Morrigan is slithering over to him in the "love" scene.  Poor guy looks like the mouse trapped under the cat's paw.  LOL

I like Morrigan, BTW.  But she's laying it on a little thick in that scene considering it's Alistair (or Loghain).  I'm sure it's much more apt if she's approaching the male PC in a relationship with her.

Yeah, I think they just slapped on the same scene for all of them. I thought it was odd that my male noble who was so in love with her looked so nauseated lol.

I love Morrigan as a character, so much so that if she was a romantic interest for women as well that I would have a very hard time deciding between her and Alistair.

Someone needs to make Morrigan banners. I might make one lol

[Addai]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I think the only thing he asks (if you don't say the godchild thing but tell him there will be a baby) is if Morrigan plans to use this against Ferelden (I guess in a bastard heir to the throne kind of thing?) and she assures him (and I believe her on this) that she will not. Then he agrees.

Right, he wants to know if his "bastard child is going to show up some year" and if she's going to use it against Ferelden.  He agrees, but says "ohh, why don't I feel any better about this."

It really is sending him to slaughter, even if it's for his own good.  I felt so guilty on my city elf character.  With her Vaughn issues, she couldn't look at Alistair in that way and romanced Zevran, so in asking Alistair to do the DR he was being sent off for his first time with Morrigan.    She's also the only character who didn't tell him the whole truth about the ritual.  She was too scared he would say no.

[Sarah1281]

On the bright side, if you're playing a CE who was so affected by Vaughan issues then the topic of sex probably never came up so you can just assume that he doesn't see sex as something that should only occur in a loving, committed relationship.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

On the bright side, if you're playing a CE who was so affected by Vaughan issues then the topic of sex probably never came up so you can just assume that he doesn't see sex as something that should only occur in a loving, committed relationship.

Right, she never asked him about lampposts so she didn't know, but her player did.  That's all I'm sayin.  It's not just that he has to have his first time with a witch he hates, but with Morrigan who's tormented him for a year, and in a shady magic ritual, with the threat of someone's life hanging over his head.  It's a wonder he even can.

For the people who then marry him off to Anora?!  Cruelty compounded on cruelty.  My current Zevran-romanced character slept with Alistair before breaking it off because of the elf-king problem.  I admit it was mostly because I feel better if he gets his first time with his supportive fellow Warden.    In the lamppost discussion with a male PC, he even says something about how he thinks he won't find a woman before he ends up dying in the Blight, and then  cuts off the discussion because it's starting to depress him.  Sad!  Alistair sad-eyes are sad!

No Anora!!!  At least give him that, people.

[Efesell]

My last game had him unhardened, King, and marrying Anora. It was not a good day for Alistair.

At least this time around I noticed something funny about the coronation. He tries to hold her hand going up the stairs and she just slaps it away.

[Addai]

Efesell wrote...
He tries to hold her hand going up the stairs and she just slaps it away.

Yes, she always does that.  [insert unkind euphemism for female dog]

[Efesell]

I also like when she asks if he's "always like that".

The potential responses crack me up.

[Cuddlezarro]

well atleast when married to Anora you know Alistair wont be getting any sexy time with her any time soon

[sylvanaerie]

Well on my HMN I married him to Anora and after the Landsmeet I had an option to say "congratulations" and he said something like "I can think of worse things than being married to a beautiful woman" so he's not totally grossed out by the idea (she seems more averse to it). But yea I can't imagine there will be any happy times in the boudoir anytime soon. (And the hand holding thing walking up to the Reverend Mother makes me giggle). I don't know, Alistair is so disarming, and he does remind her of Cailan which she says is not so bad. Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part but I think they could be happy. Just as I think she and a HNM could be happy if you go the King-consort route. But it would take time. In the Epilogue with a hardened Alistair, he learns the arts of governance from Anora and she is pleasantly surprised he is so good at it.

The only other time I put them both on the throne was when I was on my CEF. I figured a woman he really didn't like was my best bet for happiness with Alistair and I didn't want just Anora in charge cause for all her vaunted "i've been ruling this country for 5 years" crap she's been doing a ****ty job with the elves in Denerim. (Vaughan being a prime example). This way he was on the throne to counter any crap she pulled, she could help with rebuilding the nation and Alistair still got the girl he loved to be with him.

They certainly do VERY well for Ferelden together and in the long run my Cousland boy had to accept that end to his story. And at least if he does eventually get intimate with her I think it would be because he cares about her. She seemed more the one to put off anything for the time being than he was (again the hand holding thing) Course such public displays would have been unseemly, perhaps it was propriety she was thinking of?

Plus if they never warm up to each other there is always the concubine/mistress solution for Alistair.  I think if hardened Alistair really wanted to be with a woman he loved not even duty (as has been seen) will stop him.

I NEVER send Alistair to Morrigan for his first time, even if I don't romance him. That in my opinion would be worse than sending him to be dragon snacks.  His expression of horror would take on new depths and to me that seems like kicking a stray dog. I either do the deed myself or take the US.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 27 mars 2010 - 12:59 .

[HaloKT]

Thank you all for making me realise how much of a terrible person I am!



My CEF Rogue playthrough had him unhardened (because I found it too heartless to harden him there), virgin (romanced Leli), married to Anora AND having to have his first time with the wicked witch of the wilds. Coming to think of it, that's got to be awfully harsh.

then again, both he and Anora seemed very determined to make it work. So maybe it was worth it...

[ejoslin]

HaloKT, you're not terrible! Or if you are, then I am as well. Ali often loses his virginity to Morrigan in my games. He often marries Anora as well. Sometimes he most likely loses his virginity to Anora -- in those cases, he has a father in law he hates, or who is made a hero.

[sylvanaerie]

Sorry bout that Halo, Its just my take on it. Being a mom myself I tend to think of the NPCs as my kids more than anything else and I want to protect them as much as I can (so yea Loghain always dies in my games, usually I romance Alistair so at least he doesn't lose his virginity to the wicked witch of the wilds even if I later switch and go for zevran which is what I did the time I romanced Zev) and if I play a Male PC I do the deed myself or tell said witch to get lost.

*Edit* oh and I will NEVER EVER EVER make the Warden commander ending ever again. SUCKIEST ending EVER!!

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 27 mars 2010 - 02:25 .

[Sabriana]

I so wish there was a way to make him solo king and let Loghain take the killing blow. But alas, there isn't. You see, none of my girls were ever able to agree to Morrigan's plan. Simply because she wasn't forthcoming, kept hedging, and came off as cold and calculating at times. Especially when bringing up Zevran.

Don't get me wrong, Morrigan always ends up as friends with my girls, but at that point they simply can't agree to the ritual.

I don't want Alistair to die, Ferelden needs him, besides my PCs (and I) like him. He's a good friend, and a sweet man. My one and only male PC might agree to Morrigan's request, especially because he's romancing her atm. I don't know yet, I don't play him for long stretches or frequently, so it's going slow. The moment I feel that he'd be willing, I'll be looking forward to a solo King Alistair who gets to execute his personal nemesis in the Landsmeet.

Modifié par Sabriana, 27 mars 2010 - 02:22 .

[errant_knight]

ejoslin wrote...

HaloKT, you're not terrible! Or if you are, then I am as well. Ali often loses his virginity to Morrigan in my games. He often marries Anora as well. Sometimes he most likely loses his virginity to Anora -- in those cases, he has a father in law he hates, or who is made a hero.

Er, you are, you know.

[errant_knight]

Double post.  And here I thought that bug was fixed....

Modifié par errant_knight, 27 mars 2010 - 03:06 .

[SurelyForth]

Well on my HMN I married him to Anora and after the Landsmeet I had an option to say "congratulations" and he said something like "I can think of worse things than being married to a beautiful woman" so he's not totally grossed out by the idea (she seems more averse to it).

In the toolset the VO direction for that line is (except he doesn't like that woman much). If he's not hardened his line is "Congratulations? Congratulations? Why would you do this to me? How could you?"

I'm actually surprised he doesn't say something about being a virgin if you make him do the ritual and you haven't romanced him. It seems like it would be something he would bring up in his desperation.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 27 mars 2010 - 03:43 .

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

Well on my HMN I married him to Anora and after the Landsmeet I had an option to say "congratulations" and he said something like "I can think of worse things than being married to a beautiful woman" so he's not totally grossed out by the idea (she seems more averse to it).

In the toolset the VO direction for that line is (except he doesn't like that woman much). If he's not hardened his line is "Congratulations? Congratulations? Why would you do this to me? How could you?"

I'm actually surprised he doesn't say something about being a virgin if you make him do the ritual and you haven't romanced him. It seems like it would be something he would bring up in his desperation.

well he was hardened in my playthrough.  I woudlnt' put unhardened Alistair on the throne he doesn't want it and makes a lousy king from what I understand.

[errant_knight]

sylvanaerie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Well on my HMN I married him to Anora and after the Landsmeet I had an option to say "congratulations" and he said something like "I can think of worse things than being married to a beautiful woman" so he's not totally grossed out by the idea (she seems more averse to it).

In the toolset the VO direction for that line is (except he doesn't like that woman much). If he's not hardened his line is "Congratulations? Congratulations? Why would you do this to me? How could you?"

I'm actually surprised he doesn't say something about being a virgin if you make him do the ritual and you haven't romanced him. It seems like it would be something he would bring up in his desperation.

well he was hardened in my playthrough.  I woudlnt' put unhardened Alistair on the throne he doesn't want it and makes a lousy king from what I understand.

Since I don't think hardened Alistair is intrinsically different in character from unhardened Alistair, I tend to think he's just putting on a brave face when he's hardened. If he dislikes you at the end, he really gives you an earful about being married to Anora. At best, he'd prefer another option.

On the other hand, he has a certain respect for her abilities, and doesn't find her repugnant. Still, this is a really romantic guy. That marriage is just sad.

Modifié par errant_knight, 27 mars 2010 - 03:58 .

[sylvanaerie]

errant_knight wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Well on my HMN I married him to Anora and after the Landsmeet I had an option to say "congratulations" and he said something like "I can think of worse things than being married to a beautiful woman" so he's not totally grossed out by the idea (she seems more averse to it).

In the toolset the VO direction for that line is (except he doesn't like that woman much). If he's not hardened his line is "Congratulations? Congratulations? Why would you do this to me? How could you?"

I'm actually surprised he doesn't say something about being a virgin if you make him do the ritual and you haven't romanced him. It seems like it would be something he would bring up in his desperation.

well he was hardened in my playthrough.  I woudlnt' put unhardened Alistair on the throne he doesn't want it and makes a lousy king from what I understand.

Since I don't think hardened Alistair is intrinsically different in character from unhardened Alistair, I tend to think he's just putting on a brave face when he's hardened. If he dislikes you at the end, he really gives you an earful about being married to Anora. At best, he'd prefer another option.

On the other hand, he has a certain respect for her abilities, and doesn't find her repugnant. Still, this is a really romantic guy. That marriage is just sad.

It could be why he does it though he never seems to hide his feelings from me if he disapproves of what I do.  I usually get an earful hardened or not lol.  I dunno, I don't like marrying him to Anora but it seemed like an okay ending to me.  It is certainly better for Ferelden at the end, no chance of Anora supporters with a civil war (I know that isn't in the epilogues but it always bothers me she won't take the oath of fealty if shot down from the throne though she makes Alistair do it), smoothness of transition and Hardened Alistair won't let Anora push him around regardless of what she thinks.  And there is always the option for him to find someone else to love if it never clicks for him.

(I don't have the toolset what is that?  I can only go by what I see in game.)

[Gill Kaiser]

I never got an earful when I married Alistair to Anora... did you guys not persuade them that it was a good idea before the Landsmeet?

[SurelyForth]

sylvanaerie wrote...
(I don't have the toolset what is that?  I can only go by what I see in game.)

The toolset is an external program for modders. You can see dialogue trees (long, confusing dialogue trees) and some lines have extra notes- like what criteria is needed for a line to trigger and directions for the VA's on how some lines are supposed to come across.

[errant_knight]

sylvanaerie wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Well on my HMN I married him to Anora and after the Landsmeet I had an option to say "congratulations" and he said something like "I can think of worse things than being married to a beautiful woman" so he's not totally grossed out by the idea (she seems more averse to it).

In the toolset the VO direction for that line is (except he doesn't like that woman much). If he's not hardened his line is "Congratulations? Congratulations? Why would you do this to me? How could you?"

I'm actually surprised he doesn't say something about being a virgin if you make him do the ritual and you haven't romanced him. It seems like it would be something he would bring up in his desperation.

well he was hardened in my playthrough.  I woudlnt' put unhardened Alistair on the throne he doesn't want it and makes a lousy king from what I understand.

Since I don't think hardened Alistair is intrinsically different in character from unhardened Alistair, I tend to think he's just putting on a brave face when he's hardened. If he dislikes you at the end, he really gives you an earful about being married to Anora. At best, he'd prefer another option.

On the other hand, he has a certain respect for her abilities, and doesn't find her repugnant. Still, this is a really romantic guy. That marriage is just sad.

It could be why he does it though he never seems to hide his feelings from me if he disapproves of what I do.  I usually get an earful hardened or not lol.  I dunno, I don't like marrying him to Anora but it seemed like an okay ending to me.  It is certainly better for Ferelden at the end, no chance of Anora supporters with a civil war (I know that isn't in the epilogues but it always bothers me she won't take the oath of fealty if shot down from the throne though she makes Alistair do it), smoothness of transition and Hardened Alistair won't let Anora push him around regardless of what she thinks.  And there is always the option for him to find someone else to love if it never clicks for him.

(I don't have the toolset what is that?  I can only go by what I see in game.)

I only go by futures shown in the game, not posibilities that aren't hinted at. It's also possible that flying blue monkeys will come swarming out of the deep roads, but we see no sign of it. So, to me, marrying Alistair to Anora is bad for him on a personal level if not for Fereldan, the hand slap being indicative of how that's going to go.

(The toolset is a modding tool. With it, and other tools, you can extract the dialogue and listen to it outside the game. You'll find it in your Bioware folder if you play on a PC. It isn't usable on consoles.)

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
(I don't have the toolset what is that?  I can only go by what I see in game.)

The toolset is an external program for modders. You can see dialogue trees (long, confusing dialogue trees) and some lines have extra notes- like what criteria is needed for a line to trigger and directions for the VA's on how some lines are supposed to come across.

Hmm I wondered how they made everything flow so seamlessly.  Some of the dialogues occasionally sound like the VA read this line as part of a "Now I read this" not a response to another dialogue line.  I especially got that feeling when the PC talks to the Cousland mom, there is a dialogue option that says "I can make a difference" but her response was "You are here" sounded...off to me.