It's just a -2 to -10 hit (depending on when and what you say I guess). Yes, I've gone there and told him he needn't bother. In both cases, we still became very good friends afterwards. Still have to romance him though. In a way, I don't even feel guilty for not romancing him. He's such a fantastic guy, he always takes anything extremely well. Not like other male party members who suddenly start showering you with roses even though you're snogging a certain redhead at the campfire. Actually, the funniest thing in one character try was how I never talked to Alistair that much and had Leli romanced up to kissing her - and Wynne started berating me how romancing Alistair wouldn't be very fair to the poor fellow. Wait.... what?!CalJones wrote...
The key to Zev, I've found, is (if you're not interested in romancing him) don't touch any of the convo options that imply you're attractive. If you turn him down, or get him interested and then turn him down, he always disapproves. Having said that, he is my most romanced character.
I've actually never completed an Alistair romance in so far as it's never lasted beyond Landsmeet. I guess that makes me an oddity amongst women.
HaloKT wrote...
Yeah, I also had a +1 once. But that was a rather long conversation with a lot of other things being talked about. The -10 was when I tried to avoid any answers concerning a possible romance and finally gave in to spare the poor bloke the disappointment later on. Still, he's taking it a lot better than Alistair, who always rewards my honesty with a whopping -20. And it isn't as if I was coming on to him or anything. Just by being friendly he assumes I want to get into his deerskin thong. Coming to think of it, that does seem somehow realistic though...
And with Leliana, I don't know. I've read the Dragon Age entry on TV Tropes a while ago and it listed Leliana as a homosexual character who will make an exception to her preference just for the Warden. However, I found that it is impossible to accidentally romance her as a girl. In fact I even completely missed her whole romance on my first character, because I didn't dig deeper on the "so you like girls?" part early on. So if I choose not to romance her, it's all fine, because she won't even ask me if I could imagine having feelings for her. Only Alistair mentions once how she seems very sad when I'm not around, but I guess male Wardens get the same dialogue, so... well, yeah.
Modifié par sylvanaerie, 28 mars 2010 - 12:23 .
Sabriana wrote...
My dalish took the "what is it you fancy" followed by "but I'm a man" ending with "No, just don't do it again" route. Voila, romance is off, Zevran doesn't flirt at all, but is shaping into a good friend, just as Lel is.
The rest of my PCs are femWardens, and they actually don't mind if Alistair falls for them. They even go along on the flirty bit until a certain assassin comes along. None of my PCs ever lost approval with Alistair, they even gained +2 when breaking up with him for Zevran's sake. As long as the PC isn't a complete heel with Alistair, I'm guessing he sees the complications down the road and is somewhat glad that this particular pressure is off him for now.
Leliana was terribly glitched in my install, and fell for my femWardens all the time, no matter what options they picked. Once she went for my PC three times in one play-through. Aside from feeling bad because my PCs had to break it off with her so much, and her sad, sad face was like a gut-kick, it was annoying. However, it turns out it was definitely a major glitch because since I re-installed, Leliana hasn't done that at all.
Except for my dalish Morrigan pursuer, my girls all go for Zevran. Alistair and Leliana always end up at 100 friendly with them. My dalish is at 35 warm with Zevran, and that was mainly through conversations. All this whining about Zevran is rubbish. Be honest, be polite, and be courteous, and he'll turn into the most loyal friend or lover the PC could ever have.
However, be a heel, lead him on, be a nasty a*s and/or ignore him, and he'll start do doubt the warden's sincerity about helping him escape. As far as he's concerned, his life hangs in the balance, and therefore he'll side with the safer option when the time comes. Better the devil you know, right? And Talisen is exactly that.
Well, I am quite the softie on the inside, so yeah, I try to be supportive and friendly to Alistair. Which means, I don't overly mock him. I'm friendly, but never actually in a naughty way. I usually go for the "we're friends" instead of the the "I kind of fancy you" answers. So I was quite shocked when he presented me with a rose even after me kissing Leliana and telling him me and Leli have a thing going on. Maybe it was a bug. Only had it happen once, but that was quite the surprise for me. Especially after seeing how careful you have to choose your answer to get to kiss Leli.sylvanaerie wrote...
lol umm that doesn't sound like Alistair. If anything YOU have to do the pursuing till the Goldanna encounter. Also because he is so unsure of how the PC feels he takes poorly to mocking in intimate moments, though a little mild teasing is a plus (Haha you're funny. The whole Lampost in Winter conversation) Hehe I even told him "So you are a royal bastard not just a bastard" in Redcliffe and he laughed and it got me an additional point. There is also a line there "so your a prince I think thats exciting..." or something like that and that gets you another point since I guess the way its said like "This is rife with saucy roleplaying possibilities". Alistair needs to feel like the PC wants and needs him and likes him for who he is not who sired him and whatever you do DON"T go with the funny answers when he's trying to be serious (even if he seems joking about it). You'll rip his heart out. I was in the middle of the Redcliffe village fights and accidentally clicked on him triggering the "I care about you" scene. I had no intention of saving it so I just took the "You're always joking" or something like it line to see what happens. He just looked heartbroken, like I had kicked him in the gut. and I lost EVERY approval point I had gained with him. Definitely not a man who takes rejection well.
Well, I disagree. I've found most characters to be very well done even on a pure friendship basis. But once I finish my HNF playthrough, I might be able to really tell whether romancing someone makes such a huge difference. And yeah, I always got stuck with Leli before and actually had to force myself to romance Alistair to see how being queen turns out. Somehow Leli's voice really does things to me I'd rather not discuss openly. Especially with that faux French accent. For shame!For Leliana its actually easier to get her to love you as a male warden (the time I romanced her I had had a fling broken off early with Morrigan too) then triggered her romance. But she seems to be bugged too and has those odd moments I mentioned in my post above. The second time I played my boy I stuck with Morrigan to see what hers developes into though I didn't have the heart to carry it through. I would imagine for a man who loves her that last time while especially precious cause it IS their last time is also filled with a lot of heartbreak. Lot of mixed emotions. She's quite different when you romance her (as they all are) and you really don't get an appreciation for the true complexities of the characters till you do romance them.
Modifié par HaloKT, 28 mars 2010 - 12:56 .
In my city elf playthrough i have actually avoided the whole "so you like girls" part early, and then later through the game while i didn't explicitly turn down the romance path (based on the "uh that'd be... awkward to discuss, i could be wrong, can we talk of my hair insteadHaloKT wrote...
And with Leliana, I don't know. I've read the Dragon Age entry on TV Tropes a while ago and it listed Leliana as a homosexual character who will make an exception to her preference just for the Warden. However, I found that it is impossible to accidentally romance her as a girl. In fact I even completely missed her whole romance on my first character, because I didn't dig deeper on the "so you like girls?" part early on.
" approach) i did nothing to actively encourage it so Leliana and my elf was --for all i knew-- just good friends. Then a while after doing her personal quest she chose to blurt out she's actually interested in my elf far beyond being friends and went from warm/friend to 'interested'. My elf tried to hide behind the excuse she has duty as a Warden but it didn't discourage her at all -- few hours, conversations and gifts later Leliana practically dragged her to the tent.
It's not faux, the VA for Leliana is actually FrenchHaloKT wrote...
Somehow Leli's voice really does things to me I'd rather not discuss openly. Especially with that faux French accent. For shame!
Yes, according to her file French is her native tongue. You can check out her demo reel: http://www.justvoice...s/corinne_kempa for some samplesHaloKT wrote...
Anyway, she really is French?
tmp7704 wrote...
Yes, according to her file French is her native tongue. You can check out her demo reel: http://www.justvoice...s/corinne_kempa for some samples
HaloKT wrote...
Well, I disagree. I've found most characters to be very well done even on a pure friendship basis. But once I finish my HNF playthrough, I might be able to really tell whether romancing someone makes such a huge difference. And yeah, I always got stuck with Leli before and actually had to force myself to romance Alistair to see how being queen turns out. Somehow Leli's voice really does things to me I'd rather not discuss openly. Especially with that faux French accent. For shame!
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I never saw the problem with Zevran either. I usually tell him off at the start and he's very accepting of that. And if his male romance dialogue is like Leli's theres absolutely no way you can accidentally trip over dog and find yourself in Zevran's tent. By accident of course. Not because he's kind of hot. Noooooo
Modifié par SurelyForth, 28 mars 2010 - 02:13 .
I know! On my first character I was so enraptured by Morrigan's... great personality! I so wanted her. But somehow this little redhead was growing on me, even though I found her to be rather eccentric at first. Then I created a HNF especially for Alistair, and what happened? I rejected Alistair and ended up with Leliana again and had to start the character all overSurelyForth wrote...
*snip* I finally gave in and was surprised by how much I liked her with a female PC. She even snatched a mage made for Alistair right out from under him (I think said mage was a little eccentric for the boys).
HaloKT wrote...
@tmp7704:
Very strange, that never happened to me (well, never might be stretching it, the whole whopping 2 times I didn't romance her). Anyway, she really is French? I never checked, I just went for "faux" because ME's Tali's VA stated that the accent she used is a made up one (albeit very reminiscent of something Slavic or Eastern European to me). Both voices are really sweet though. I guess I have a thing going on for foreign accents *sigh*
Modifié par sylvanaerie, 28 mars 2010 - 02:31 .
Yes, according to her file French is her native tongue. You can check out her demo reel: http://www.justvoice...s/corinne_kempa for some samples
Yes, well... it's not only the accent that does things to me. There's the distinct lack of a Y chromosome in Leliana that should be mentioned as a turn-on for me as well *coughs politely*sylvanaerie wrote...
You must like Bryland's voice then (The bann from South Reach) though his sounds more Slavic but I could be wrong, I can't really place it. I really love that accent of his. And Riordan's VA is French too
HaloKT wrote...
Yes, well... it's not only the accent that does things to me. There's the distinct lack of a Y chromosome in Leliana that should be mentioned as a turn-on for me as well *coughs politely*sylvanaerie wrote...
You must like Bryland's voice then (The bann from South Reach) though his sounds more Slavic but I could be wrong, I can't really place it. I really love that accent of his. And Riordan's VA is French too
When you romance her, Morrigan's purr is so sexy.
Modifié par sylvanaerie, 28 mars 2010 - 03:45 .
I love Bryland's voice! I, too, can't place it. I go back and forth between something Slavic or something Scandi. I want to say Swedish. There is no Wiki page on him, alas, so no way to check who the VA is. Just a mention in Rendon Howe's, that he fought alongside Howe and Bryce Cousland in the rebellion.sylvanaerie wrote...
You must like Bryland's voice then (The bann from South Reach) though his sounds more Slavic but I could be wrong, I can't really place it. I really love that accent of his. And Riordan's VA is French too
That is mostly a facade, however. As we're discussing currently in the Zevran thread, he tries to put on a brave face because he doesn't see himself rating any more than brief notice from the Warden. It's his life philosophy to take things as they come, but even after only one trip to the tent, if you tell him "this can't happen again," I'm struck by how sad he looks and sounds. And if you get to the point where he is forcing you to choose between him and another, it's clear he simply assumes you won't choose him. I hate reinforcing this idea of himself!!! And on the other side, I love it when I can blow his mind and say "yes, I choose you."HaloKT wrote...
It's just a -2 to -10 hit (depending on when and what you say I guess). Yes, I've gone there and told him he needn't bother. In both cases, we still became very good friends afterwards. Still have to romance him though. In a way, I don't even feel guilty for not romancing him. He's such a fantastic guy, he always takes anything extremely well.
Modifié par Addai67, 28 mars 2010 - 07:37 .
Addai67 wrote...
I love Bryland's voice! I, too, can't place it. I go back and forth between something Slavic or something Scandi. I want to say Swedish. There is no Wiki page on him, alas, so no way to check who the VA is. Just a mention in Rendon Howe's, that he fought alongside Howe and Bryce Cousland in the rebellion.sylvanaerie wrote...
You must like Bryland's voice then (The bann from South Reach) though his sounds more Slavic but I could be wrong, I can't really place it. I really love that accent of his. And Riordan's VA is French too
The best part about losing the Landsmeet is that you get to see Bryland and Alfstanna fighting with you. My PC wants to be Alfstanna when she grows up.
Oh, you tease!sylvanaerie wrote...
But I like Y chromosomes and I like both male and female voices (though admittedly I like male voices more).
Yes, I know. I just meant that he takes rejecting his romantic advances rather well, or at least a lot better than Alistair. Now, rejecting him on a frienship level, that's just cruelThat is mostly a facade, however. As we're discussing currently in the
Zevran thread, he tries to put on a brave face because he doesn't see
himself rating any more than brief notice from the Warden.
Modifié par HaloKT, 28 mars 2010 - 08:52 .
Addai67 wrote...
That is mostly a facade, however. As we're discussing currently in the Zevran thread, he tries to put on a brave face because he doesn't see himself rating any more than brief notice from the Warden. It's his life philosophy to take things as they come, but even after only one trip to the tent, if you tell him "this can't happen again," I'm struck by how sad he looks and sounds. And if you get to the point where he is forcing you to choose between him and another, it's clear he simply assumes you won't choose him. I hate reinforcing this idea of himself!!! And on the other side, I love it when I can blow his mind and say "yes, I choose you."HaloKT wrote...
It's just a -2 to -10 hit (depending on when and what you say I guess). Yes, I've gone there and told him he needn't bother. In both cases, we still became very good friends afterwards. Still have to romance him though. In a way, I don't even feel guilty for not romancing him. He's such a fantastic guy, he always takes anything extremely well.
Knowing what I know about the Zevran romance now, I'll never turn it on unless I actually plan to pursue it. He's at a vulnerable time in his life and the Warden means too much for a fling to be possible. He still makes a good friend, of course, even after a breakup.
errant_knight wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
I love Bryland's voice! I, too, can't place it. I go back and forth between something Slavic or something Scandi. I want to say Swedish. There is no Wiki page on him, alas, so no way to check who the VA is. Just a mention in Rendon Howe's, that he fought alongside Howe and Bryce Cousland in the rebellion.sylvanaerie wrote...
You must like Bryland's voice then (The bann from South Reach) though his sounds more Slavic but I could be wrong, I can't really place it. I really love that accent of his. And Riordan's VA is French too
The best part about losing the Landsmeet is that you get to see Bryland and Alfstanna fighting with you. My PC wants to be Alfstanna when she grows up.
I thought his VA was Quebecois, but I could be quite wrong. I don't have a good ear for accents. I did note the irony of Loghain pronouncing Chevaliers correctly, though, especially when no many others did not.
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