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[Lilisia]

No, she says it will retain the essence of the Old God free from the Taint, if you listen closely.

[Efesell]

Lilisia wrote...

No, she says it will retain the essence of the Old God free from the Taint, if you listen closely.

She says, and this is the exact line:
"The child will bear the taint, and when the archdemon is slain, its essence will seek the child like a beacon."

[Lilisia]

She later says:



"The Child will represent freedom for an ancient power, a chance to be reborn apart from the taint. Is that not reason enough to do it?"

[Efesell]

Whether the child will live with the taint was not the point.
It was that it had to be passed on, presumably through Morrigan's magic, or the ritual would never have worked at all.

[Lilisia]

And she also says in the same dialogue:

"Allow me to say that what I seek is the essence of the Old God that once was and not the dark forces that corrupted it."

It might carry the taint at the outset, but the slaying of the archdemon destroys the taint in the baby while keeping the essence of the Old God. Of course, she might be lying!!

Ah ok I just read your last post and that makes sense. As long as it wasn't going to be an evil baby I was ok with the whole ritual thing. Evil babies would be baaad

Modifié par Lilisia, 29 mars 2010 - 04:18 .

[HaloKT]

tmp7704 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

@tmp7704
The taint doesn't cross the placenta.

That's not something we actually know one way or the other, no? It certainly doesn't guarantee full protection from AIDS, to use your own example -- http://www.thebody.c...nt/art6654.html

The problem with mommy wardens isn't tainted babies its the same as daddy wardens, low fertility chances.

It's low fertility chance vs zero chance to actually get pregnant yourself when you're the male Warden. Certainly not the same situation.

OK, given the chance that you'd get preggers by sleeping with Cammen. Now, I admit my knowledge in things pregnancy is limited, but IIRC it doesn't really bother you for a few months. So you could still make a bit of haste and kill the Archdemon all before your little baby bump would even be visible (tbh I have no idea on how fast time in the game passes, but I don't think it's more than 1 month from Brecilian Forest to the Landsmeet). Since Wardens can feel the taint, there's also the possibility of (as cruel as it sounds) ending it before it begins.

And while on the topic - there is an equal opportunity to impregnate the poor Elven maid. Not only to impregnate her, but to infect her with the taint as well. And then to infect her (bastard) child with the taint. And since she is no Warden, she has no way to feel something might be wrong inside her tummy. This is actually a much higher chance to bear a demon child than with a female Warden.

But, and this is what I think:
The taint isn't contagious. From what we gather in the game, you have to consume a huge load of darkspawn blood over a long time to corrupt you. Dog has bitten a few too many darkspawn, so he fell ill. Even then, a simple swamp flower was enough to remedy his illness. Wardens get infected - but it takes mages, lyrium and both darkspawn as well as archdemon blood to pull off the Joining, i.e. to make the taint stick and not disappear like a slightly annoying flu. The transformation from women to broodmothers? Long periods of ingesting anything infected the darkspawn can find. Hespith has been kept on the darkspawn diet for up to 2 years, and although badly infected and half mad, she's still a Dwarf.
I honestly don't think this would be of any concern for Wynne. So I'll stick with my first theory - Wynne is just incredibly sexist 

[Efesell]

In the vast majority of cases exposure to the taint, especially the blood, leads to a rather quick case of death.

The ghouls are the "lucky" ones that don't die outright.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I can see where your coming from but personally im a guy in real life so i like playing a female badass that saves ferelden agianst all odds ive beat it about 8times as a female and only about 4 times as a male the only thing i like about being a guy is getting to know leliana but i go both ways personally though i enjoy my female Rangers over my Straped in silverite more armor then a tank male charaters i just wish that orgins had more of a rough story for human charaters i mean common there should be like a woodsman orgins a templar origins they need to expand on where your charater comes from instead of just human noble besides if i do human noble story 1more time ill die ill just play a Orlesian for now till DAO: 2

[Axekix]

sylvanaerie wrote...
The taint doesn't cross the placenta. The problem with mommy wardens isn't tainted babies its the same as daddy wardens, low fertility chances. Its a case of the old double standard (which NO one else in the game seems to display even the PC's own family) and I found that an odd approval/disapproval posting...so if I seduce the girl she approves? WTF? I think we need a "slap Wynne" mod too cause that's just stupid. Maybe its because Cammen is so dopey he acts more like a child than the girl?

Oriana totally yelled at my female HN when I took the "no fewer than 3 (men)" line! 

[Sarah1281]

She regrets that she treated Aneirin this badly. Her quest is even named "Wynne's Regret" I think. And Aneirin's "peaceful" home? He hails from an Alienage, and even though it's a cage, life at the Circle is a lot better than that.

And if you'll note she didn't return to the Alienage. He found the Dalish and even if he sticks to the forest because he doesn't quite feel like one of them, he's still happy and Wynne still tries to make him return to the Circle Tower even though they tried to kill him and she won't go back herself (possibly out of fear that they'll try to kill her).

And this on top of the fact that you can talk Gheyna into still accepting Cammen after sleeping with him? Come on...! That's hardly fair! Not that I ever intend to seduce Cammen (bit too young, isn't he?), but still...

I don't know if you can talk Gheyna into agreeing to marry Cammen after seducing her, but if you go immediately from Cammen to Gheyna and don't give Cammen a chance to confess and convince her the same way you do without the Cammen sex then she never finds out. Or at least she doesn't find out unless Cammen gets stupid and decides to confess somewhere along the road.

Not to mention the fact that if you are a human you would leave Gheyna with a bastard human child...

If it was a human than you could conceivably deny it was yours even though Gheyna would know the truth. If it was an elf and you convinced her to marry Cammen, no harm done. Well, unless you had dark hair. If you play as a dwarf, though, everyone's going to know it was you (Cammen even says he's never seen a dwarf before) and all of a sudden she has a dwarf baby to look after. Which would be kind of funny...

i just wish that orgins had more of a rough story for human charaters

You could always be a mage.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...
Oriana totally yelled at my female HN when I took the "no fewer than 3 (men)" line! 

Heh, I never seem to get this dialogue, but Oriana is a bit of a stick in the mud.  She also considers it scandalous that you'd be in the military as a woman.  More specifically, she says that such a thing would be impossible in Antiva, but implies that she agrees with that opinion.

Modifié par Addai67, 29 mars 2010 - 06:22 .

[Janni-in-VA]

The Lore as established in the two novels as well as the game says that Grey Wardens will have untainted children. The only problem with Wardens having children is their low fertility rate. Pregnancy isn't impossible, but it is very unlikely. Even if your partner is another Grey Warden, a child can result, it's just astonishingly rare. The Lore also says that a child born of an elf/human romance will be human. I learned these things from posts David Gaider made in other threads, so I think we can accept them as reliable.

Also, Wynne doesn't try to force Aneirin to go back to the Circle, she merely says that Irving is a reasonable man and so Aneirin could probably go back if he wished. Remember, too, that the Templars are not under Circle control, so it wasn't the Circle who "tried to kill" Aneirin. When Aneirin says that he's happy where it is, Wynne accepts it. Aneirin is obviously respected and accepted by the Dalish, otherwise he wouldn't have one of their tatoos. Wynne's just very relieved to find him whole, safe, happy and forgiving.

And one further point, if you talk to Wynne about what she's planning to do after everything's done and finished, she'll tell you that she's planning to go back to the Circle. I expect that she'll keep the secret of her life to herself. There's no point in getting the Templars all riled up, even if Irving and the other mages would most likely understand.

Modifié par Janni-in-VA, 29 mars 2010 - 09:12 .

[Dark Lilith]

5. Leliana seems to fall quicker and harder for a female character than a male one. Most of my female PCs have had to beat her off with a stick.

True.I added a mod allowing me to do Morrigan as well and neither complained,all we need now is a threesome option!

[Sarah1281]

[quote] Also, Wynne doesn't try to force Aneirin to go back to the Circle, she merely says that Irving is a reasonable man and so Aneirin could probably go back if he wished. [/quote] She tells him that the Circle needs him even though Irving told her it needed her and she didn't care because she wanted to go adventuring. She knew damn well how much Aneirin hated the Circle if he was going to run away at fourteen and sure, the Templars aren't the Circle but they still police it and he'd still have to put himself back under their authority if he returned. She tries to convince him to return just like she tries to convince a Mage warden to drop everything after the Blight and go back even though she only goes back if she can be in charge (and usually doesn't).

[qoute] And one further point, if you talk to Wynne about what she's planning to do after everything's done and finished, she'll tell you that she's planning to go back to the Circle. [/quote] That has never happened to me ever. She either stays at court as court mage or she runs off to Tevinter with Shale. And her returning only happens once she can be First Enchanter.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 29 mars 2010 - 09:43 .

[sylvanaerie]

Axekix wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
The taint doesn't cross the placenta. The problem with mommy wardens isn't tainted babies its the same as daddy wardens, low fertility chances. Its a case of the old double standard (which NO one else in the game seems to display even the PC's own family) and I found that an odd approval/disapproval posting...so if I seduce the girl she approves? WTF? I think we need a "slap Wynne" mod too cause that's just stupid. Maybe its because Cammen is so dopey he acts more like a child than the girl?

Oriana totally yelled at my female HN when I took the "no fewer than 3 (men)" line! 

heheh yes but your brother says something like "you sly minx!" And remember Oriana says "If you are doing that then be discreet." Which implies its okay

And I don't have the link but D.  Gaider said in another thread where they were talking about the taint and mothers that it doesn't cross the placenta.  Nothing of course is 100% in life but it is a barrier vs diseases and injury to the baby.

[Chasseresse]

I think DG said that it was impossible for Wardens to have children with each other. It was in response to I think some discussion on the official Alistair love thread. Something about how it is extremely difficult to have children between one Warden and one person uneffected, and impossible for two Wardens?



Of course, I think that was through strictly natural means. He didn't say anything about "other" dark ritual-type conceptions or Avernus coming up with something at the Keep.

[BLunted]

the only beef I have with female wardens is that regardless of race, they all look like they got chicken legs

[mousestalker]

BLunted wrote...

the only beef I have with female wardens is that regardless of race, they all look like they got chicken legs

TL:DNR.

Addendum: Now I've read it. And I really wish I hadn't. Beef, chicken and me on a diet. If I snap at my family tonight, it's your fault BLunted.

Modifié par mousestalker, 29 mars 2010 - 10:07 .

[BLunted]

mousestalker wrote...

BLunted wrote...

the only beef I have with female wardens is that regardless of race, they all look like they got chicken legs

TL:DNR.

Addendum: Now I've read it. And I really wish I hadn't. Beef, chicken and me on a diet. If I snap at my family tonight, it's your fault BLunted.

Hehe, sorry

[sylvanaerie]

UGH Deleted...

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 04 avril 2010 - 06:43 .

[zahra]

Addai67 wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...
 I just can't see a woman actually doing the whole Origins quest in real life, but its just a game.

But the average North American male couch potato- the kind who is most likely playing this game- could?

LOL

THIS.

Female martial arts expert vs couch potato, obvs the former would win.

Size and strength aren't the only things that determine the outcome of battle. That's why clever rogues can take out larger warrior-type fighters. And have you heard of aikido? There are lots of ways women can best men twice their size, in real life.

My friend, who is a black belt kickboxer, (a pretty buff male) got his ass kicked by a tiny woman practicing aikido. He didn't even have time to throw in a punch.

And could an average man here take on one of those muscled wrestling women? I think not. Women are generally more smaller in size, but there are exceptions to the rule.

All I can say is the OP has pretty narrow male-centric views, but these are his opinions and he is entitled to it.

[Axekix]

zahra wrote...

Female martial arts expert vs couch potato, obvs the former would win.

None of the men in DA are "couch potatoes" though.  Quite the opposite in fact...

Size and strength aren't the only things that determine the outcome of battle.

True, but size and strength are huge factors when skill is comparable.  There is a reason why combat sports have weight classes. 

My friend, who is a black belt kickboxer, (a pretty buff male) got his ass kicked by a tiny woman practicing aikido. He didn't even have time to throw in a punch.

If they were practicing, he wasn't trying to hurt her.  And kickboxing doesn't even use a belt system...  I don't really want to get too off topic and go into a whole MA discussion so I'm not even going to talk about Aikido...

And could an average man here take on one of those muscled wrestling women? I think not. Women are generally more smaller in size, but there are exceptions to the rule.

The femPC isn't some massive butch body builder though.  She has the same slim figure as all the other females in DA afaik.

All I can say is the OP has pretty narrow male-centric views, but these are his opinions and he is entitled to it.

I was only being realistic.  I'm not putting women down or anything, I just felt like there were some parts of the story that were more believable with a male PC in the role.

[TotalLamer]

Simple solution to lack of belief in a FemWarden's abilities: Play as a Dalish Elf. Within the first minute of the game, you can put an arrow through the chests of three Humans while they run in fear (if you so choose). Quite capable, I'd say.

Modifié par TotalLamer, 05 avril 2010 - 06:00 .